Sorry Snap On.
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Yea..its why i bought a used snap on box at 1/3 the price of new..no way in hell i pay some of there msrp prices either... i like snap on, i own it, but i wont own it new today...yea u are not alone and there may be a support group near you to help you get thru this former addiction..
Wamsutta
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If that's too cheap for you, then there's this one.
https://www.intlairtool.com/cleco-400phf356-pulse-tool-184-0-to-295-0-ft-lbs-3-4-square-drive/
https://www.intlairtool.com/cleco-400phf356-pulse-tool-184-0-to-295-0-ft-lbs-3-4-square-drive/
shawndp
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HOLY MACKEREL!!!! What does that impact do that causes it to cost that much?
I used one of those and it pretty weak, no way close to 1,000ft/lb and also the air efficiency is really poor.
I would of gone with Astro 1842, good efficient air motor and running over rated 90psi you get hard hitting gun that will exceed it's stated ft/lb, they on sale at moment too for 103 bucks (j&b tools). Also Astro warranty/service support is pretty superb .
Snapon air and electric/battery tools a complete waste of money for not the greatest tool or cost effective warranty/service.
I would of gone with Astro 1842, good efficient air motor and running over rated 90psi you get hard hitting gun that will exceed it's stated ft/lb, they on sale at moment too for 103 bucks (j&b tools). Also Astro warranty/service support is pretty superb .
Snapon air and electric/battery tools a complete waste of money for not the greatest tool or cost effective warranty/service.
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WhoWhatNow
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Why even go with an air impact over cordless model these days? I recently picked up a Milwaukee high torque and haven't touched my IR air impact since. I'm not criticizing, just curious what advantages air has over battery these days. Is it size/weight, need to run it for hours non-stop?
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Size and power
freudianfloyd
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Biggest reason I haven't gone battery powered is because of the battery part. They become obsolete way too often. Air fittings can always be swapped out to fit what you need.
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By the time they're obesolute it's time to upgrade anyway
WhoWhatNow
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Size I understand. The Milwaukee is big and heavy and I wouldn't want to have to use it for hours on end. As for power the Snap On is rated at 1200 lb-ft and the Milwaukee is rated 1400 lb-ft so I would say they are similar.
As an occasional user, getting rid of the hose and not needing to fire up the compressor are big advantages. In a shop environment those may not be that big of a deal.
As an occasional user, getting rid of the hose and not needing to fire up the compressor are big advantages. In a shop environment those may not be that big of a deal.
Yeh I in shop 99% of time and I wouldn't waste my time/money with battery tools for main use.
air impacts are lighter 1/4 the cost, 1/2 the size for same power so fit everywhere, have better trigger control and less user fatigue.
Battery tools useful but not massively until not near an air compressor or power outlet or in a position that no airline is worthwhile benefit.
air impacts are lighter 1/4 the cost, 1/2 the size for same power so fit everywhere, have better trigger control and less user fatigue.
Battery tools useful but not massively until not near an air compressor or power outlet or in a position that no airline is worthwhile benefit.
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It may be easier to visualize the differences in tools if placed in human terms.
The Homeowner may put on His comfortable walking shoes and take a brisk walk around the block twice a day.
The Professional Marathon Runner, while on His daily, lengthy practice run, may pause along the way to chat with the Homeowner.
You and Your Wife drive by and observe two Guys wearing sports shoes, standing on the sidewalk while chatting. The Homeowner is over 6' and about 225 pounds. The smaller Guy is about 5'9" and weighs 160 pounds.
Your Wife mentions how nice it is to see that big Guy teaching the little guy how to get His proper exercise.
There is often more assumed than observed.
One may be stronger, but which one will run the longest?
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"RRP: $3,150.00
$2,977.52
(YOU SAVE $172.48)
OUCH
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Was thinking about your post. I bought the first cordless impacts our SO dealer sold. A killer 3/8 and drill with a whopping 7.2 battery.
I have made a lot of the SO guys house payment. Never bitched, as they gave me GREAT service. I traded all 3/8 impacts one year. All 1/2 the next. So nothing was ever over two years old. Never needed to have them rebuilt.
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I have both cordless and pneumatic impacts. Cordless is nice if I only need it for a bit and dont need to beat it too much. When that bolt is really stuck on and you need to the impact just wail on it for a bit I prefer air. I think cordless will get lighter over time and I can see cordless being better and better.
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How much did you pay for the last one you purchased and how long did it last?
Just curious.
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Those numbers don't tell the whole story. Air guns hit different than battery powered guns.
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I paid 400 off the truck for the 725s I had
Lelandwelds
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I went to the website. I still do not understand why this tool exists? These guys make the wing assembly tools, right?
Lelandwelds
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I buy SO for birthday gifts. I even wrap up a nice microfiber polishing cloth as a personal joke. My dad is a SO fanboy. He likes to find secondhand tools, clean them, and drive his circuit to show the other SO fanboys. He's 80. It fills his day.
I was asking the OP what he paid for his last Snap-On.
If he paid "big" money for it, but it lasted many years, maybe they are a very good buy, and worth it, regardless of a higher price.
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Those tools are designed to be used everyday all day
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Cleco is part of Apex. If you want their "mechanic-type" impact, look here: https://mrotools.com/cleco-pneumatic-cwc-premium-composite-series-pistol-grip-impact-wrench.aspx
The impact listed above for 3k is an assembly line gun, and these are a whole different ball of wax. They have an oil reservoir inside the gun as well as being settable to only impact to a specific torque, every time, for thousands of times (up to 500,000 times before service). They also have a port for torque output verification. This is what production equipment costs. This is not the local garage monkey gun that gets used for maybe several dozen bolts a day, but rather the line workers that are putting in a thousands fasteners a day.
Click on the below link and go to almost the bottom and you will find the production tools.
http://www.apexpowertools.eu/your-downloadsearch/catalogsbrochures.html
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I was asking the OP what he paid for his last Snap-On.
If he paid "big" money for it, but it lasted many years, maybe they are a very good buy, and worth it, regardless of a higher price.
I want to try the new one.
Wasn't a big mg725/325 fine. I had two sets of them and never really liked them. I had them both rebuilt out of maitnenance every other year. Had back.up 2235ti and whatever the 3/8 was when that happened.
I sold them off and picked up IR for the last couple years. There's non ay the HF would last for what I put them through lol
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I buy SO for birthday gifts. I even wrap up a nice microfiber polishing cloth as a personal joke. My dad is a SO fanboy. He likes to find secondhand tools, clean them, and drive his circuit to show the other SO fanboys. He's 80. It fills his day.
earthmover1980
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Back to the Snap On value vs quality. Here's my feeling.
High truck prices for similar quality compared to other top brands like Aircat or IR. Then fast forward to rebuild time, and check out the prices on rebuilding Snappy air tools. My Snap On far25 1/4 air ratchet was getting weak, so I asked him about a rebuild. He says $130 to send it out, and that is their minimum charge. $130 is too much money to fix an air ratchet. At work, the "shop" has a mg series 3/4" Snap on impact. We bought it used in nice condition for $350. A good deal at the time. A year later it was having problems, and we came to the conclusion that it needs rebuilt. 8 years ago, Snap on charged $335 to rebuild it. Also too much money. We could have bought 3 quality wrenches at that time for the $750+/-. Snap on makes great tools, that last, but the price tag comes right with them. I really like my IR tools and feel they are a value for what I am doing. Fact is IR builds many truck brands anyway. My.02¢:
High truck prices for similar quality compared to other top brands like Aircat or IR. Then fast forward to rebuild time, and check out the prices on rebuilding Snappy air tools. My Snap On far25 1/4 air ratchet was getting weak, so I asked him about a rebuild. He says $130 to send it out, and that is their minimum charge. $130 is too much money to fix an air ratchet. At work, the "shop" has a mg series 3/4" Snap on impact. We bought it used in nice condition for $350. A good deal at the time. A year later it was having problems, and we came to the conclusion that it needs rebuilt. 8 years ago, Snap on charged $335 to rebuild it. Also too much money. We could have bought 3 quality wrenches at that time for the $750+/-. Snap on makes great tools, that last, but the price tag comes right with them. I really like my IR tools and feel they are a value for what I am doing. Fact is IR builds many truck brands anyway. My.02¢:
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Back to the Snap On value vs quality. Here's my feeling.
High truck prices for similar quality compared to other top brands like Aircat or IR. Then fast forward to rebuild time, and check out the prices on rebuilding Snappy air tools. My Snap On far25 1/4 air ratchet was getting weak, so I asked him about a rebuild. He says $130 to send it out, and that is their minimum charge. $130 is too much money to fix an air ratchet. At work, the "shop" has a mg series 3/4" Snap on impact. We bought it used in nice condition for $350. A good deal at the time. A year later it was having problems, and we came to the conclusion that it needs rebuilt. 8 years ago, Snap on charged $335 to rebuild it. Also too much money. We could have bought 3 quality wrenches at that time for the $750+/-. Snap on makes great tools, that last, but the price tag comes right with them. I really like my IR tools and feel they are a value for what I am doing. Fact is IR builds many truck brands anyway. My.02¢:
Pretty sure you got raked over. $125 is what I've always paid for air rebuild. One time I got back a whole new tool
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luv it.....
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kctyphoon
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Why do you have a hatred for nice tools and a hard on for cheap Chinese ****
I dont have a hatred for nice tools.. I own many... BUT -
Call me crazy, but I'm just not a fan of companies that charge exorbitant amounts of cash for products, design a system to help keep their customers in debt, and then peruse that plan in a REALLY hard way. it's like saying "I love Citibank cause they gave me a big credit limit" and ignoring the 29% interest part.. not saying that buying the worlds cheapest tools are the answer, but a reasonable price, and good quality seem to making more and more sense to some people.. it's nice when guys finally admit to themselves "alright, this **** is getting outta hand with these prices now, when I can't even talk myself into buying something I really want anymore" even if he doesn't like the HF gun, returns it, whatever - at least he tried it for himself instead of jumping on the "let's **** on HF bandwagon" I don't need an air tool to last thirty five years.
HF 's newer tools in their better lines are far from the cheap Chinese **** people wish they were. It's not like he bought a $45 impact wrench. Oh - and one more item in the cheap Chinese **** store can be added to the made in USA colum. Full size glue sticks for a glue gun in HF - USA made.. people would be AMAZED how many American made products are sold in their if they just stopped reading online posts and started looking for themselves.
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toddoky
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I can count on one hand the number of idiots that got themselves into credit trouble buying Snap-on tools they couldn't afford when I was swinging wrenches to earn a paycheck years ago. Most guys got deals from the Snap-on guy and paid cash with no ill-effects to their financial well-being. The scope of Snap-on's mechanics tool offerings is deep and there are many specialty tools they make for professional mechanics that offer great return on investment for those working the flat-rate racket (i.e. the ball joint press). Casual users buying Snap-on tools to use in their garage does seem a bit senseless in most people's opinion, but no more so than the guys that buy a bunch of cordless Milwaukee, Dewalt or Makita tools that will never get used just because.
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Not really a fair comparison.. if somebody bought "everything festool, or snap on cordless stuff" that would be something else. The Home Depot brands are competitive for that type of home owner, and often Milwaukee isn't THAT much more than Ryobi. Not like, $200 vs $800.. people you know personally is a drop in an ocean of customers - and there's more to it than guys just buying stuff and getting in trouble.. all I'm getting at is there are other options beside extreme ends of the spectrum, and those that find that happy medium usually find they made a good choice.
+1 The tools in a persons tool box have very little correlation with there financial situation, regardless of how many times that narrative is pushed here. A box full of HF tools in garage next to the truck with a $700 a month payment, with scratched up lottery tickets and fast food/energy drinks littering the floor doesn’t make you a financial genius. It’s 2018, Credit is Easy to find on just about everything, No doubt people over extend themselves daily. If you can’t take responsibility for your own pitfalls, Admit that no one held a gun to your head and forced you to sign that loan app, you have bigger problems than the tools in your garage.
Wamsutta
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As bob15 pointed out, it's a production line tool. It torques a fastener to a specific torque hundreds of times a day spanning across three shifts. It basically never stops running. People think that Snap-on makes the most expensive tools in the world; they don't.
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