vtsoundman
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There seems to be some confusion (ok I am confused) around MWBC and Split Duplexes...
Hopefully some code experts can help me out here...
1. Does code permit two 120V circuits on a split duplex w/ separate neutrals w/o a breaker handle tie / 2 pole breaker. (Never/not a MWBC with shared neutral)?
Answer : ?
NO - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination
2. How does GFCI change the situation : will code allow separate/split GFCI circuits on a split duplex w/o a handle tie?
Example : Single duplex on a kitchen counter / garage with two 20A GFCI circuits present using separate neutrals & hot, broken tabs. No handle tie on the BC breakers. (Again Never a MWBC).
Answer : ?
NO - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination
3. Will code allow split duplex if a 2 pole GFCI breaker is used in a MWBC?
Answer: This is an acceptable workaround and is often used. Code mandates handle tie/2 pole breaker on MWBC split duplex for conventional circuits.
YES - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination
4. Will code allow split duplex w/ GFCI circuits if a handle tie is used with two single phase breakers & GFCI outlets?
Example: Two 20A breakers w/ handle tie. GFCI function from two upstream Receptacles feeding a split duplex. From the panel, circuit has a shared neutral and is a MWBC. After the GFCI recepts, it now was a pair of neutrals - so is it no longer technically a MWBC?
A GFCI recpt can trip and cause only half of the duplex to be 'dead' - thereby tricking the technician into thinking the duplex is dead. If the case of drowned recept, a hazard still exists...
Answer : ?
YES - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination. Code is silent on the question; therefore permissable.
Background...skip you don't care.
Working on a installation in my kitchen where I retrofit a few circuits/box openings (wife likes her electric appliances). I will also do the same for POU equipment stations in my workshop.
While it may seem to a waste of time for some, (use a pair of duplexes)
wife dislikes seeing a ton of receptacles in the kitchen. We will often have multiple 8-12A, ~15A, appliances going at the same time/same tiny spot in (coffee pot, toaster oven, instant pot, breadmaker etc etc etc).
Per NEC, a MWBC is
A grounded conductor (neutral) is shared between a pair of hot conductors.
The Code seems clear about MWBCs for (1) requires Handle ties for preventing overloaded neutrals, (2) neutral pigtails to prevent 240V /loss of neutral.
210-4(b) states; "In dwelling units, a multiwire branch circuit supplying more than one device or equipment on the same yoke shall be provided with a means to disconnect simultaneously all ungrounded conductors at the panelboard where the branch circuit originated."
The following link is what confuses me:
http://www.ecmag.com/section/codes-standards/using-two-pole-breaker-feed-split-wired-receptacles-break-tabs
QUESTION: "Your answer about split-wired receptacles on a multiwire circuit is okay, but what if the split-wired receptacles were fed by two circuits, each with its own neutral?"
ANSWER: Since this would not be a multiwire circuit, there is no requirement for the desired protection either in a dwelling unit or other than a dwelling unit.
I think the reason ECMAG is stating the above is 210.4(b) is permissive and does not specifically require breaker handle ties for independent BC on a shared yoke, but I'm hoping that some code experts & senior sparky's can help me out here.
Question is answered. ECMMAG might be on older code cycle or just wrong.
Hopefully some code experts can help me out here...
1. Does code permit two 120V circuits on a split duplex w/ separate neutrals w/o a breaker handle tie / 2 pole breaker. (Never/not a MWBC with shared neutral)?
Answer : ?
NO - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination
2. How does GFCI change the situation : will code allow separate/split GFCI circuits on a split duplex w/o a handle tie?
Example : Single duplex on a kitchen counter / garage with two 20A GFCI circuits present using separate neutrals & hot, broken tabs. No handle tie on the BC breakers. (Again Never a MWBC).
NO - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination
3. Will code allow split duplex if a 2 pole GFCI breaker is used in a MWBC?
Answer: This is an acceptable workaround and is often used. Code mandates handle tie/2 pole breaker on MWBC split duplex for conventional circuits.
YES - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination
4. Will code allow split duplex w/ GFCI circuits if a handle tie is used with two single phase breakers & GFCI outlets?
Example: Two 20A breakers w/ handle tie. GFCI function from two upstream Receptacles feeding a split duplex. From the panel, circuit has a shared neutral and is a MWBC. After the GFCI recepts, it now was a pair of neutrals - so is it no longer technically a MWBC?
A GFCI recpt can trip and cause only half of the duplex to be 'dead' - thereby tricking the technician into thinking the duplex is dead. If the case of drowned recept, a hazard still exists...
Answer : ?
YES - Same Yoke - Need Same Disconnect/Handle Tie at circuit origination. Code is silent on the question; therefore permissable.
Background...skip you don't care.
Working on a installation in my kitchen where I retrofit a few circuits/box openings (wife likes her electric appliances). I will also do the same for POU equipment stations in my workshop.
While it may seem to a waste of time for some, (use a pair of duplexes)
wife dislikes seeing a ton of receptacles in the kitchen. We will often have multiple 8-12A, ~15A, appliances going at the same time/same tiny spot in (coffee pot, toaster oven, instant pot, breadmaker etc etc etc).
Per NEC, a MWBC is
A branch circuit that consist of 2 or more ungrounded conductors that have a voltage between them and a grounded conductor that has equal voltage between it and each ungrounded conductor of the circuit and that is connected to the neutral or grounded conductor of the system.
- or more simply -
A grounded conductor (neutral) is shared between a pair of hot conductors.
The Code seems clear about MWBCs for (1) requires Handle ties for preventing overloaded neutrals, (2) neutral pigtails to prevent 240V /loss of neutral.
210-4(b) states; "In dwelling units, a multiwire branch circuit supplying more than one device or equipment on the same yoke shall be provided with a means to disconnect simultaneously all ungrounded conductors at the panelboard where the branch circuit originated."
The following link is what confuses me:
http://www.ecmag.com/section/codes-standards/using-two-pole-breaker-feed-split-wired-receptacles-break-tabs
QUESTION: "Your answer about split-wired receptacles on a multiwire circuit is okay, but what if the split-wired receptacles were fed by two circuits, each with its own neutral?"
ANSWER: Since this would not be a multiwire circuit, there is no requirement for the desired protection either in a dwelling unit or other than a dwelling unit.
I think the reason ECMAG is stating the above is 210.4(b) is permissive and does not specifically require breaker handle ties for independent BC on a shared yoke, but I'm hoping that some code experts & senior sparky's can help me out here.
Question is answered. ECMMAG might be on older code cycle or just wrong.
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