Spreading the Bonney affliction!

[Oldtuleguy]

I am going to have start checking those thrift stores!

 

[Mikeske]

Got a couple fresh items today one from eBay and another from a thrift store. The first is a MV8 a 8 MM quarter inch socket from eBay and then I found a former Boeing A18 a 9/16 half inch drive socket that only had Ney stamped in but the size and part number was stamped faintly into the socket.

 

[bonneyman]

You never know when you're going to find a Bonney. Gotta keep your eyes peeled always for that distinctive grayish chrome.

 

[Mikeske]

Yes and that 9/16ths A18 socket is a old Boeing socket. The B with a circle on identifies it as Boeing. Boeing purged all these sockets about ten years ago when Snap-on got the contract to provide all the hand tools to Boeing and that is when Boeing got rid of the other vendors hand tools.

 

[Mallen]

I have a parts ratchet if you are interested. It had the handle broken in shipment by the post office. The eBay seller had poorly packed the ratchet and of course the gorillas in the post office figured out how to break the handle. The red tint to this is just from reflections from my t-shirt I am wearing. PM me if interested with a address. All I want is shipment cost

Am I reading that right, that they snapped the metal handle of? I'd sure like to know how you break a handle like that without a hydraulic press, or liquid nitrogen.

 

[Mikeske]

Am I reading that right, that they snapped the metal handle of? I'd sure like to know how you break a handle like that without a hydraulic press, or liquid nitrogen.

I do not know ask the gorillas at the post office as they were the ones to break it.

 

[bonneyman]

I do not know ask the gorillas at the post office as they were the ones to break it.

Who knows - perhaps the worker in question is married to a witchy woman named Bonney and he saw the tool and just lost it for a moment? lol

 

[Mallen]

Or maybe he WAS married to her. I just imagine a little 5'4 scrawny guy with glasses. The box comes open, the picks up the wrench. Sees the roll mark , gets really angry grabs it on both hands, turns beet red with a very angry expression on his face and breaks it on half.

 

[four.cycle]

My very first Bonney acquisition.
I am wondering if it is worth keeping, let alone the effort that would be required to make it functional again. Thoughts?



Having never used "Evaporust", I suppose I'll have to dig into Lugnutz's "sticky" and figure it out.
I do wonder, however, considering the condition of these pieces, if it's even worth the effort.
These came out of a shed about 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean. The entire workshop is filled with stuff like this.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Evaporust should work well on those

 

[Mintgrun]

I'd dangle those in the electrolysis bucket. H2O plus baking soda and battery charger is all you need. Plus a "sacrificial" anode, such as a cast iron griddle, or a shovel head, or any old ferrous metal object to connect the positive cable onto.

After the bath, I like to start off with a toothbrush that I've shortened the bristles on and a little bit of LAVA hand soap. I just scrub the bar with the brush and then then the tool. A wire scrub brush works well too, if needed.

That vise looks like it is in great shape, aside from being brown in color.

Tom

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I have that vise. Bonney called them Champions. I posted a 1915 catalog shot on page 24, post #947.

 

[Mikeske]

Oh yes a cheap tool

 

[RTM]

Having never used "Evaporust", I suppose I'll have to dig into Lugnutz's "sticky" and figure it out.
I do wonder, however, considering the condition of these pieces, if it's even worth the effort.
These came out of a shed about 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean. The entire workshop is filled with stuff like this.

10 miles from the Pacific, life of luxury! My last weekend haul came from about 1/2 mile.

But yeah, chuck them in a small tray of Evaporust, start working them apart after 12 hours, scrape off crud every time you handle them.
If the cutting edge, flat side, is too pitted, might be a loss.

 

[humber2]

If it is in the cargo compartment of a aircraft it is in a pressurized area of the aircraft and at the same temperatures as on the flight deck and the passenger compartment. Pets and live animals are often placed in the cargo compartments everyday. Freighter aircraft are also pressurized as everything from whales to horses are transported across the world in them. See a horse race on the tv likely a freighter transported that horsey from California to Kentucky as it is less stress for the horse then surface transport. The thing is it a good explanation of what might have happened of the two large items shifting but I still like the gorilla better

I remember loading a suitcase with my washed clothes still damp on a DC-8 flight years ago.

Customs had a hard time analysing the frozen block that was inside.

 

[outofbounds]

Pulled this short 2806B DBE out of a "box and contents" lot I just grabbed up. Curious if the experts could date this, and if the photos reveal a finish other than chrome. Interestingly, as well, the opposite side reads "8ONALOY", opposed to Bonaloy. I reckon that the B was damaged, and they subbed in the 8 to keep the line moving.

 

[MisterEd]

After looking at all the Bonney information on International Tool Catalog Library I am still unable to learn anything about this Wrench. Maybe a Bonney-knowledgeable person can provide information.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It's a Checknut wrench, made of carbon steel, originally black japanned, and after WWII. But probably not too long after. I don't think they show up in the early catalogs for some reason, only the SOE Checknut wrenches, which were 60X-61X.

 

[MisterEd]

It's a Checknut wrench, made of carbon steel, originally black japanned, and after WWII. But probably not too long after. I don't think they show up in the early catalogs for some reason, only the SOE Checknut wrenches, which were 60X-61X.

I figured the Checknut Wrench. Wondered if it qualified as one of their Semi-Finished Wrenches; "pleasing black enamel, and ends are polished."

Thanks, as usual, Private.

 

[LesserSon]

I am wondering if it is worth keeping, let alone the effort that would be required to make it functional again…
I do wonder, however, considering the condition of these pieces, if it's even worth the effort.

It is NOT worth keeping - send it to me, instead.
Seriously, I see original red paint on that vise that I’d try to save! Unless they have broken or missing parts, even very rusty vises are pretty simple to bring back to life, and I see nothing wrong with that one. EvapoRust, electrolysis…yes they’ll do the work, but they’ll take the original red paint off.
Me, I’d WD40 it and decide about the paint, then take it apart and fine wire wheel the pieces (only the jaws, screws, handle and slide, if there’s as much paint as it looks like). A toothbrush and WD40, followed by a paper towel while the WD40 is still wet will clean the paint pretty well, and you can wax it afterward.
These have only six individual pieces, and the retaining ring is press-fit, so the handle/screw/ring/dynamic assembly is best left together, so it’s more like three. The nut is integral to the static, and yours doesn’t even have a clamp pad to interfere with removing the clamp screw. They are simple and easy to clean up.
I have five models of the Champions, and am looking for the remaining thirteen. The model number is stamped on the flat of the anvil - numbers “112” to “130”. Unless it’s been filed or gouged off, you’ll see it when you clean it. They are not precision instruments, but they are old and cute.

 

[LesserSon]

"8ONALOY"

I do not see the forged-in date codes, but I suppose they are on it. The finish could be nickel, but it looks like cadmium to me. A Bonaloy DBE wrench with “MADE IN U.S.A.”would be 1938-1946, with a likely gap during the alloy restrictions.

 

[outofbounds]

I do not see the forged-in date codes, but I suppose they are on it. The finish could be nickel, but it looks like cadmium to me. A Bonaloy DBE wrench with “MADE IN U.S.A.”would be 1938-1946, with a likely gap during the alloy restrictions.

Thanks, LS! Have you ever seen that 8ONALOY before?

 

[Username already in use]

Have you ever seen that 8ONALOY before?

I've never seen that before. It's also not typical to have the size marking one on each side for Bonney wrenches. That's something the Cornwell did.

 

[LesserSon]

BlueBomber and others have DBEs so well covered, I really have not collected many. Also, not much Bonaloy, either.
I haven’t seen 8ONNEY; I think your hypothesis is reasonable, though I think it could have been a tired-eyes error, too.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The finish could be nickel, but it looks like cadmium to me.

Agreed.

A Bonaloy DBE wrench with “MADE IN U.S.A.”would be 1938-1946, with a likely gap during the alloy restrictions.

No gap. I have Bonaloy DBEs and combos with natty steel or cad finish and wartime date codes and MADE markings.

Bonney's wrench line prewar, wartime, and postwar is very odd and possibly very telling. They had introduced -ZENEL- and Bonaloy before the war and they never dropped that branding during the war. They only dropped the CV branding. But the only wrenches that did not get the Bonaloy brand before or during the war were engineers wrenches, which switched from CV to nothing. They didn't get the Bonaloy brand until after the war. I believe that Zenel and Bonaloy may have already been triple alloys, beating the WPB consortium to the New Emergency AISI 8600/8700 punch with recipes they zealously proclaimed and protected. I have the same theory about Billings Vitalloy.

Could they have just considered it safe enough to leave -ZENEL- and Bonaloy because the names did not contain the name of a restricted mineral? Maybe. But if -ZENEL- and Bonaloy weren't a restricted prewar formula (i.e., CV or CM), why weren't they as explicit about them as they were CV? The only weird thing is why they didn't just make the DOEs with Bonaloy too. Maybe a die thing.

I've never seen that before. It's also not typical to have the size marking one on each side for Bonney wrenches.

Not typical for Bonaloy. But note that Bonney did mark the sizes on opposite sides and ends for the -ZENEL- line as well for DBE's they made for others (Wright, NUBO, Gray Marine, and others).

EDIT: That is a very strange wrench, though.

 

[outofbounds]

EDIT: That is a very strange wrench, though.

I love me some strange!

 

[Mikeske]

Let’s go small. A 2572 ignition channel lock with three positions.

 

[d42jeep]

Most all of the refrigeration ratchets I’ve run across have been 1/4” drive but yesterday I came across this one which is 3/8” drive.
-Don

 

[LesserSon]

Hit & miss today at the flea - stoked to find a “C” S-wrench, but it is missing a bit. I already had an “A” S-wrench, but I couldn’t separate these two.
1729 DOE from Aug1927 (HS).
1023 from Sep1942 (IT) - I have not seen the stamp on the shaft (instead of cheek) before.

Left-behinds: I pawed through a dozen USMC machine wrenches, hoping to find similar-looking “Ford-owners” wrenches, to no avail.

 

[Ricky Joe]

Most all of the refrigeration ratchets I’ve run across have been 1/4” drive but yesterday I came across this one which is 3/8” drive.
-Don

Mine is also 3/8”. It is a very early one.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

On odd little cv wrench

 

[humber2]

That’s from a brake servicing set.

Applicable for Chrysler cars.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks humber was curious about application. Just bought it cause it looked like a handy little wrench.

 

[Mikeske]

I got this set of wrenches off eBay today and it has only three wrenches I really wanted the 11/16ths the 3/4" and the 1 1/4" as my 11/16ths and 3/4" both have chrome chipping off the open end and I never had the 1 1/4" so that is nice. Also I got a decent roller pouch as my original was ripped to shreds from years of use and it was totally destroyed from chemical exposure when I worked in the aircraft production facility I was employed at before I retired.

 

[bonneyman]

Nice acquisition, Mikeske!

 

[Mikeske]

Nice acquisition, Mikeske!

Yeah the roller bag needs a really good cleaning but that is easy just use some soap and water and it should clean up. It is a vinyl cloth style roller bag. The one I had before was a all vinyl roller and I cannot complain as it lasted well over twenty years of daily use.

 

[bonneyman]

Now all you've got to do is find the accompanying metric set.......

 

[Mikeske]

Oh yeah I still got to find the metric vinyl roller pouch as my metric set is complete but the vinyl pouch is missing. I did clean the SAE roller pouch today and then did a photo shot of the wrenches in it.

Now all you've got to do is find the accompanying metric set.....

 

[Private Lugnutz]

odd little cv wrench

That’s from a brake servicing set.

Applicable for Chrysler cars.

Thanks humber was curious about application. Just bought it cause it looked like a handy little wrench.

Just FYI - 1933 Catalog (see IA/ITCL) page 33 shows all the brake wrenches and two different in-pouch sets.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I found this low profile DBE at the flea this morning. Extra long skinny shank with extremely thin heads especially for the opening sizes (1-5/8" x 1-1/2"). I recognized it immediately because I already have a wartime Williams ALLOY V Superrench just like it painted very light green. I never could identify the application for the Superrench, but now I have an FSN (41-W-890-20). The best surprise was the forged-in date code marking: "JU". October 1944. Whereas the Williams is all gussied up with all kinds of markings, there is no other marking on this one except the FSN, but it's undoubtedly a Bonney. The nice thing about having the Williams was I didn't have to measure the openings!