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LesserSon

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Just had to ask.
I have all six 'later' ones, (shield only, large font).
Just need 23F and 29F 'earlier' ones, (USA, small font).

What is the significance of May 1925?
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I think you and I disagree about which is earlier; the B-shield alone on shank or the B-shield plus Made in USA on shank. I believe the MIUSA was added after some years of production without it. May 1925 is, by my understanding, the first time Bonney wrenches were produced with forged-in date codes; none of these have them.
I will be open to selling the 23F with MIUSA when I find one more without it. I also have one 23F and one 25F with modified openings and the B-shield ground off.
I'm not sure I'm following you on this, LS. Are you saying you enough have "F" wrenches (23, 25, 27, 29, and 33) to make three (3) complete Ford Owners sets except for the 100F for those sets?! How many 100F's do you have?
0FAC65C7-30DC-4A9D-8619-6B6B258009FD.jpegYes, with an extra 27F and two exta 29Fs.
I have just one Bonney 100F and a second RGW that seems to be made by a different manufacturer (bottom right).

My present toolboard ambitions can be realized with three sets, but I will never walk away from a reasonably-priced F-wrench, so hopefully, I’ll offer up the surplus at some point. Two weeks ago, I was into a couple boxes of wrenches at the flea from the right era, but hardly a Bonney among them.
The biggest and the smallest wrenches always seem to be the hardest to find.
 

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I think you and I disagree about which is earlier; the B-shield alone on shank or the B-shield plus Made in USA on shank. I believe the MIUSA was added after some years of production without it. May 1925 is, by my understanding, the first time Bonney wrenches were produced with forged-in date codes; none of these have them.
I will be open to selling the 23F with MIUSA when I find one more without it. .....
Lesser
My 'earlier and later' opines were 100% from pure ignorance. I was making an assumption.
Thanks for the info.

All I have extra at the present is: shield only -- 27F, 29F, 33F
MI USA -- 25F
NO EXTRA 100's

I will keep your wants in mind as I get on the prowl.

Photos show: Shield only, MI USA, extra.
 

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Yes, with an extra 27F and two exta 29Fs.
I'm impressed! They are scarce around here.
I have just one Bonney 100F and a second RGW that seems to be made by a different manufacturer (bottom right).
I do have four 100F's currently hanging on my No. 65 board, two of which are dupes (top two, Pic 2 & 3), and as you can see, some empty hooks on the board. I could be cajoled into giving one of the dupes up in exchange for a few of the wrenches I need. Those are 721, 723, 725B, 27C, 28S, and 33 DOE's, and a 550-AS textile wrench at the bottom.
 

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Well that post was not used the way I thought it would be. :)
I posted that video as a convenient way for the Bonney fans to get to Resto Rob's channel where they can view many Bonney tool videos about different Bonney tools. Until I saw the Bonney vise video, I had no idea Bonney made vises, or many of the other tools you will see on his other Bonney tool videos. I did not intend that specific video to represent the be-all and end-all of Resto Rob.
 

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Sorry. Whether it was your intent or not, a video of Resto Bob stripping the original finish off of a 100-year-old Bonney vise, which didn't strike me as an anomaly for him, is not going to entice me to watch more of his videos. And that would be true even if I was told that he has the largest Bonney tool collection in the US. But I'm not a big YouTube tool resto watching kind of guy anyway, preferring the old 'Still Life with Wrench' and textual discussion format of places like GJ, so I'm not your target audience to begin with. And you never know, 'even bad publicity is publicity', as they say, a few opinions don't necessarily represent everyone's opinion, and there are a lot of lurkers here. You posting it here may very well have garnered him a few more subscribers who prefer that kind of thing.

EDIT: I just saw you post a link to one of your own tool resto videos on the Plomb thread and now I remember you as the 'tool guy' YouTuber ('Time Flys in the Shop' channel) who asked me for permission to use my 'Ode to Pickers' in one of your videos. Sorry your name didn't stick. Cross talk (between GJ and the YouTube crowd) is an interesting subject. As I was telling you in a PM, I've dabbled with the idea of video, but I don't think I'm wired for it. More literary than verbal. Probably echoes in that of preferring books over movies. And YouTube seems more like InstaGram, more individualistic, with the implicit need for drawing viewers to you and your channel, whereas we all meet and 'talk' right here in one place on organized topics. I do like to watch a video from time to time, if it's interesting or relevant to something being discussed here. Almost like when you were back in school in the 60's and 70's and the teacher set up the reel-to-reel and you got to put away your books for an hour. :) It was fun while it lasted, and a nice break, but not a good replacement for rigorous study, research, and open discussion, in my opinion. Funny how it's a bit of a microcosm of the remote learning debate that was galvanized during the recent pandemic.
 
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And, in keeping with my propensity to take a thread on a tangent, here are two unusual Ford wrenches incorporating the small end of the 33F. The other end is for the fan. I have no idea who made them for Ford, but they are well made, have a Ford part number, and both have the same part number, although made differently.
 

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Going further into the outfield, here are two more wrenches made for model T fans. Neither has any indication of manufacturer. The Blue Point incorporates the same design as the box end.
 

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This is interesting and I already have the full set of the same ignition wrenches but it might be of value to someone else so I [posted this ignition set for sale on eBay.
 

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Very nice collection,I don't collect but did end up with this bonney,any ideas

Here they are


Are these worth anything
 

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I have a distributor wrench like that. 9/16 on one end, 1/2 on the other, joined in middle by a double 3/8 square coupler
 

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9ECADF9E-F38B-47F9-B00D-EED52CBDB560.jpeg97451D5C-30B8-4AC2-8923-71E774003377.jpegZenel 3021 (5/16x13/32) KW (Nov1945) doe came today from r_olson_06 via the’bay. A very nice 4-1/2” wrench, which puts me two (bigger) wrenches (3034 & 3035) away from my original Bonney collectible dream.
 
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I just picked up this black ox 4096 flex head and wanted to compare to the others I have of the same era. This one is a little longer than the chrome 4096. On the right of the ruler is a chrome 4096a and the last is a black ox 4096b (bought from Epstien's). All range in slightly different lengths.

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I recently cleaned up an 18” Stillson, in much better condition than my previous example.03AC9C27-1E23-4E7A-BCF7-DF14970F258B.jpeg
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Looks like it was used by the Central Railroad of New Jersey, 1839-1976.
F24EDED8-9B51-4384-B36E-769E8980B2B9.jpegPretty broad range, but the FO date code on the dynamic jaw narrows it down to 1923.
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Finally found a 3/8" drive set from the 30's thats in great shape and almost complete. In my '34 catalog it seems this is a "TD1" set missing the ratchet and plug. I have all the other attachments which I might add to it and make it the more robust set "TD2". To be determined! Heres some screenshots from sellers pics....

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As first posted on the GS thread, I acquired a mid-century MB82 today. It came filled with an assortment of tools, among which were some Bonney.
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The 500 S-doe is the most interesting. Wondering if it is older than the jellybean logo? 8D666122-AC88-4CED-99C4-BF641C0C32BC.jpegLooks like the A.L.A.M. STD. 1/4” end has been enlarged. The 1/2dr 4095 CV universal is marked FS (June 1927).
While cleaning up the chest, I realized it has been repainted a slightly dimmer red than the original, apparently without great prep work, as some if it scales off. Not a big concern to me. Unfortunately, the bling silver used in the pressed oval takes what’s left of the original plaid logo with it. Oh well. It was pretty faint and partial anyway. Along with the MB76 I got last winter, I now I have two oval decals to source.

EDIT - After a second pass at cleaning and straightening, I am revising my opinion of the paint. While there may have been some red touch-ups, I think the majority of it is original, just worn down, sun-faded and oxidized. The plated metal handles and pulls, however, were painted silver, for some inscrutable reason.
 
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As first posted on the GS thread, I acquired a mid-century MB82 today. It came filled with an assortment of tools, among which were some Bonney.
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The 500 S-doe is the most interesting. Wondering if it is older than the jellybean logo? 8D666122-AC88-4CED-99C4-BF641C0C32BC.jpegLooks like the A.L.A.M. STD. 1/4” end has been enlarged. The 1/2dr 4095 CV universal is marked FS (June 1927).
While cleaning up the chest, I realized it has been repainted a slightly dimmer red than the original, apparently without great prep work, as some if it scales off. Not a big concern to me. Unfortunately, the bling silver used in the pressed oval takes what’s left of the original plaid logo with it. Oh well. It was pretty faint and partial anyway. Along with the MB76 I got last winter, I now I have two oval decals to source.


Same as mine! I bought mine from someone on GJ a short while back!

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Turns out that the set i grabbed is complete and some tools have date codes back to 1929 (ju). It is indeed a TD set and comes with 5 sockets; T12 through T20, a T2 offset handle, a T3 universal joint, T4 a 6" extention, and a T5 whuch is a 12" long tee with Tommy bar. Its a total of 11 pieces with the box. One interesting thing is the T4 extention has a forged in date code of "JU" which is a 1st I've ever come across on the socket drive stuff, not counting the bigger 1/2" drive tee bars and other stuff. I've just never saw an extention with a date code.

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Some items from Sunday's auto swap meet and flea market. Triangle era, I believe.
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Bonney 1/2 dr. 6-pt. deep sockets
ALH-16, -22, -26, -30, -32, -34, and -36. 1/2, 11/16, 13/16, 15/16, 1", 1-1/16, 1-1/8.
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Utica (Triangle) Loc-Rite 23124 combo 3/4

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This gave me a hint.
 

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A few weeks ago I eBayed a vise from Florida, suspecting it of being a Bonney No300 Improved Farmers (1914 cat) or Garage (1919 cat) Vise, minus the under-bench nut lever. (I did ask - long gone.)

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It has 3” cast-in steel jaws, opens to 4”, and weighs 15lb without the missing lever, which I estimate would be about 1lb. Dimensionally, and design-wise, it’s an exact match.

A0B18A6F-66D3-40D5-97A6-F373D17EDDA3.jpegThe steel screw is held in the dynamic by a collet secured by a chisel strike to the screw, so reducing the near-1/4” slop would require some creativity (maybe insert a spring à la Baker’s 1915 patent).

Yesterday, I was suddenly impatient to find out what lay under the thick, ugly layer of flesh-tone repaint, and stripped it mechanically. Had I taken the time to soak it in warm water, the ugly band-aid overpaint might have released from the typical underlayer of crud, leaving at least some of the original bright maroon, which I did see clinging in many places. Regret...

63F2355A-0096-420E-B6EB-0C891CAAF470.jpegIf the catalog illustrations are correct, there was a B-Shield on the face of the “anvil,” but if it ever really was there, it has been obliterated by hammering.

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96D4916C-993F-4F56-816A-EE3520D6A244.jpeg238B7A75-8EA7-4D9D-8C41-A6DF1682081C.jpegThere are a few faint double-digit part numbers in the castings.
So maybe a less-hammered example will confirm it someday.

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The shoe plate doesn’t have any distingushing marks on either side; a disappointment, because I have one from a different vise that has “BONNEY” stamped on one side.

FFFFEE1A-D517-4B3A-B3AD-EDAAC66A27F7.jpegThe only damage seems to be a crack in the dynamic, maybe from cooling around the steel jaw. It doesn’t look to get worse, and even if it broke loose, I think the jaw is otherwise secure, so it wouldn’t affect utility.
 
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The steel screw is held in the dynamic by a collet secured by a chisel strike to the screw, so reducing the near-1/4” slop would require some creativity (maybe insert a spring à la Baker’s 1915 patent).
Can you drop a fat hair pin in there, or a C or E clip or two or three? I think it was my Shop King that had a fat hair clip holding the dynamic in place.

The double sided version of this thing.
 

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9C2B8BB6-B9A7-4884-8105-092BC6EB534B.jpegRecently, GJ member PSCo1867 generously sent me some very old (1914 catalog) DOEs to fill out a few I already had. Among them were a J and a K 15° Malleable Machinery Wrenches as seen on p37.
Yesterday, I chanced on a G at the flea market (top of second photo), which leaves F, H & I waiting to be found 0FC66606-7DC1-419C-A91F-19E828ECEADB.jpeg
 
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Some items from Sunday's auto swap meet and flea market. Triangle era, I believe.
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Bonney 1/2 dr. 6-pt. deep sockets
ALH-16, -22, -26, -30, -32, -34, and -36. 1/2, 11/16, 13/16, 15/16, 1", 1-1/16, 1-1/8.
Bonney Socket Set tag
Utica (Triangle) Loc-Rite 23124 combo 3/4

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This gave me a hint.
Oh, snap! o_O(y)
 

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A pleasing Bonney discovery on a 90 degree day:
Bonney Zenel 3725B DOE for Pratt-Whitney (PWA1173). Being Zenel with a “K.T” date code makes it 1942. Correct or not?
 

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Do these top two count? Not sure on the logo.
 

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