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txlonghorn1989

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You're probably wondering what squirrels and cut-off wheels have to do with each other. The answer is not a lot but welcome to my world. Short story long as I'm prone to do so my apologies first off. Our house has a greenbelt behind it as do about half the homes in our not too large subdivision. With that come nature's creatures like owls, deer, lizards, snakes, opossums, raccoons and squirrels. My wife wasn't going to plant a fall garden this year because the squirrels have been eating pretty much everything she's planted except for peppers and the Chinese long green beans. A couple of weeks ago she bought a Havaheart squirrel trap based on the recommendation of our beloved son-in-law. To hear him tell it, he had captured half the squirrels in their county the first day he set it out. However, our trap, or I, failed to capture a single squirrel. I could see doubt written all over her face when I explained the trap was too small, too this, that and the other. Neither one of us believed my excuse that our city squirrels were bigger, faster and smarter than our daughter and son-in-law's small town country squirrels. And even though that goll darn Havaheart trap came close a few times it was ruining my trapping reputation. I can tell you're thinking this yahoo probably couldn't capture a turtle if it rang his doorbell. Just so you know I didn't just get off the bus, I trapped 3 raccoons and 2 opossums in about a week a couple of years ago that were also raiding her garden. So when it comes to trapping garden pests I've got a few notches on my gun belt! By Monday though, I was feeling desperate. I did some google searches looking for anything to get rid of our squirrel problem dead or alive! Well, I spotted the Squirrelinator, 24" x 24" x ~5" with two entrances on opposite sides. This looked to me like it should work even though it was easily twice what the Havaheart trap cost. Confidently, I went to the Tractor Supply store and bought it. I set the Squirrelinator up Monday evening baited with the same peanuts in the shell hoping I might have a squirrel (or two!) in the morning. Even woke up early Tuesday morning excited by my dreams of squirrel **********. Lo and behold, when I peeked out the window there were two squirrels in the Squirrelinator trying to gnaw their way through the metal bars to squirrel freedom. Those two squirrels took a one-way ride to a new home in the next county over. By the end of yesterday I'd caught four of the tree rats. My wife was so excited she said the $60 I spent on the Squirrelinator was easily worth $600. Contrary to what I usually would do I wisely did not suggest she could give me $300 in cash and we could call it even. (Patting myself on the back here.) No squirrels trapped today and haven't seen a single squirrel in the yard or running on top of the fence taunting my wife while she works in her study. And now filled with hope that the garden can be hers once again, my wife decided she's going to put in a fall garden.

With my wife ready now to get her fall garden planted, she asked me to put some stakes along the sides of one of her plastic garden beds. She has some old rebar laying under the deck in the back. I figured that would be good for the job and I cut the first four pieces the old fashioned way with my old Craftsman hacksaw. After doing that I realized her other four beds also needed stabilizing. I knew I had a couple of Diablo metal cut-off wheels (made from some kind of fiber (?) ) with my Makita 4-1/2" corded angle grinder. The two Diablo wheels don't look like they are going to last to job completion. One has already disintegrated and the second is about to. I still have three pieces of 1/2" rebar to cut. I believe I probably bought those two Diablo wheels at HD. I seem to recall seeing actually metal cut-off wheels. Wondering if those work better and last longer than the fiber? Also, my wife is prone to hurting herself when she's out in the garden so I rounded off the exposed end of the rebar with the fiber wheel. Worked well at that task but I'm not sure the side of the wheel was intended to be used that way? Maybe I'll round the remaining three pieces of my bench grinder. I'd appreciate the more experienced guys thoughts/recommendations when doing this kind of stuff because it isn't something I've done much of in the past. What wheels do you use for a task like this? I'm not going to go out and buy a chop saw so if we could keep it to wheels for my 4-1/2" angle grinder that would be helpful in getting this chore completed tomorrow. Who knew squirrels and cut-off wheels were a thing? Thanks guys!
 
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Full disclosure- did not read

Suggestion- if you want a answer summarize it in final sentence

I spotted rebar, its hardened, you want .045" aka 1/32" cut off wheels, brands like Pferd, Walter, anything USA or German made really.
 

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Cut-off wheels are one of the things I go to HF for. 10 packs are $7 if I remember correctly. I usually go through about two 10 packs a year, so I'm not a huge user but I have been using them for 5-8 years so I have easily gone through 100 of their wheels. The wheels might not be the ultimate best, and they might not last the longest, but they work just fine for my needs and they are cheap. I'm careful when cutting, to avoid binding the blade, but I have never had one shatter on me for that or any other reason. I have used other wheels in the past and I didn't really notice enough of a difference to justify the much higher price of most other cutting wheels. Maybe I would if I used them for multiple hours per day, but I use cutting wheels for random jobs like the OP. Cutting a piece of rebar here, chopping off a piece of round bar, cutting good parts off of worn out equipment, etc. I'm usually cutting things in the 1/8" to 1/2" thickness range. Every once in a while a HF cut-off wheel will have a little bit of a dead spot in it, where the cutting action will drop to almost nothing for 20 seconds or so until I wear through the slight dead spot in the wheel. It doesn't bother me because the wheels are cheap and the dead spot goes away fast whenever it happens.

You might already know this OP, but for thicker stuff like rebar I like to periodically rotate the bar while I'm cutting my way in so the blade is never very deep into the metal. That helps to minimize the chance of the blade binding and shattering. If you do it that way you can also often snap the bar the rest of the way by hand when there is only a small amount of metal left connected in the center of the bar.

Never use cut-off wheels for grinding. That's a great way to cause a wheel to break apart. A bench grinder should work fine for that job. If you want the final product to be a little smoother than what a bench grinder can give you, buy a 40-60 grit angle grinder flap wheel and go over the end with that after the bench grinder step. That should give you a quick but nice looking rounded end. I use cheap brands of those too and I have never had any issues resulting from that.

Good luck with the squirrels, they will return.
 
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Thanks tarb. Yeah, I shouldn't have tried to be humorous. My bad. It won't happen again. :0) Appreciate the recommendation on brands.

Thanks Tools4Me. I finished rounding off each piece with a large Nicholson file. Easy-peasy.
 

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Harbor Freight wheels are just an exercise in frustration, IMO. They are not worth the money unless you are in an extreme pinch. They cut extremely slowly, they don't tolerate abuse, and they just burn away into dust way too fast.

I just picked up a 20 pack of U.S. made Carborundum Gold discs for a little over $40. Yes, they're a bit over $2/disc which is spicy, but let me tell you, they are well worth it. While I didn't do back-to-back A/B tests with my HF cut off discs, it feels like I get at least 2 or 3 HF discs worth of work out of 1 of these discs. The biggest difference is in the cutting speed - they just absolutely demolish steel.
 
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Easy to poo-poo, ‘til it happens to you😜
Not sure if or why you thought I wasn't serious in saying thanks but I was. I don't have a lot of experience with angle grinders beyond using them with wire wheels. Appreciate your comment. I know first hand how easy it is to forget the number one rule - Safety first!
 

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Not sure if or why you thought I wasn't serious in saying thanks but I was. I don't have a lot of experience with angle grinders beyond using them with wire wheels. Appreciate your comment. I know first hand how easy it is to forget the number one rule - Safety first!
It’s just too easy to skip the protection.
At some point, your number comes up.
 

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I have a marlin 70 with microgroove rifling tht got as a "throw in" in a deal with a bunch of guns I wanted. I loaded a magazine, aimed it down the full length of the indoor range with the iron sights and squeezed off 10 shots. They all went into a group a bit bigger than a quarter. I'm not actually anywhere close to that good of a shot. I just did it without thinking and did everything right because I was just testing the rifle and not thinking about it. I guess there some sort of lesson there. But my biggest take away was, the rifle was capable of doing that.

But for the rebar, use a cutoff wheel made for metal. Wear both a pair of safety goggles and a face shield. Ear plugs are a good idea too. Ive had sparks go into an ear facing away from the grinder. Buy good quality wheels. But if you don't believe there's a difference, go down and but a 5 pack of cut off wheel from harbor freight and a couple of "good" ones. Count how many bars you cut with each. Divide the price of the wheel by the number of cuts. Take whichever one is cheapest. I think the good ones will be but maybe not. I've never actually done that and your project is perfect for it.

You are correct in that cut off wheels are not meant to grind on the sides. A grinding wheel is what you want for that. I'd just use a bench grinder to clean up the end.
 
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Thanks tarb. Yeah, I shouldn't have tried to be humorous. My bad. It won't happen again. :0) Appreciate the recommendation on brands.

Thanks Tools4Me. I finished rounding off each piece with a large Nicholson file. Easy-peasy.
I have no problems with being funny or long post, seriously.

Sometimes us garage dorks are all business and just want to help answer questions,
so the reading and attention span start to wane.

Do you, have fun, doesnt bother me, just might not reply :)
 

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Had a buddy trapping squirrels and relocating them. His Wife said they were they same squirrels, somehow she recognized them. To prove her wrong he started hitting them with a shot of orange marking paint. Next thing he knew he had a bunch of squirrels with orange spots on them.
 
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txlonghorn1989

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Had a buddy trapping squirrels and relocating them. His Wife said they were they same squirrels, somehow she recognized them. To prove her wrong he started hitting them with a shot of orange marking paint. Next thing he knew he had a bunch of squirrels with orange spots on them.
I've moved them 7+ miles from our home. Lots of places between here and there for them to call their new home. Knock on wood.
 

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You really should look into plastic caps for the exposed rebar. Even rounded off they make a deadly punji stick if someone fallls on them.

Relocation below grade is the only way you are ever going to get the squirrels under control. Moving your problem to someone else's backyard isn't really the best solution.
 

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This is just my opinion. Using rebar, even rounded off is capable of inflicting nasty wounds in a garden application. Suggest covering the ends w/ the protection caps you’ll find at any hardware store.
 

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I second the suggestion to use caps on the rebar if you decide to use rebar. One poor fellow died after falling a short distance onto exposed rebar. (2017 article)

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NEW ORLEANS — A man watching a Mardi Gras parade in Biloxi, Mississippi, died after falling from the back of a pickup truck onto a piece of exposed rebar.

Biloxi officials told Gulf Coast media that Tuesday's accident happened at an Interstate 110 underpass.

Fire Chief Joe Boney said the man was standing or sitting on the back of a pickup truck, fell off, and the rebar pierced his body.
 

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Not sure if or why you thought I wasn't serious in saying thanks but I was. I don't have a lot of experience with angle grinders beyond using them with wire wheels. Appreciate your comment. I know first hand how easy it is to forget the number one rule - Safety first!
My experience with angle grinders has changed from the "normal" way.
Traditionally most clamp the work in a vice and hold the angle grinder in 1 or 2 hands, no matter what operation is being done.
I do the opposite and clamp the grinder in the vice or bolt it to the table and use it much like a bench grinder.

This is a 1/4" thick mini welding table, I drilled a hole thru it and tighten the grinder handle or a bolt thru it:
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Holding the work in your hands gets you better control and less chance of "grabbing"
The table can be used as a rest to steady work piece and I use this setup for grinding wheels/cut-off wheels/flap wheels/even wire brushes.
And smaller work pieces can be clamp in vise-grips for grinding.
I have also clamped/pinched an angle grinder motor in a workmate or bench vise too.
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Anyone who suggests harbor fright for cut off wheels has never used a good cut off wheel.
I never use ANY cut off wheels, too dangerous for someone at my skill level.
I do have a portable bandsaw and use that for everything needing cutting off.
It's a harbor freight o_O and it stays in a stand I built from scrap wood.StandS.JPG
A hose clamp on the trigger and plugged into a power strip for ON/OFF, with tape over the motor vents to keep the chips out.
Handles all my cut-off needs without dodging exploding cut-off wheels.
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I have used hundreds of cut off wheels in tight, complicated locations which wouldn't allow for a bandsaw and never had a quality one explode.
OK, understood
OP is cutting lengths of re-bar NOT in a tight/complicated space though.
Me, I'd use a hacksaw with the blade teeth facing the handle so it cuts on the pull stroke but that's a whole other discussion.
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re: squirrels Liked your story. :beer:

However, some (many?) locales restrict or flat-out prohibit the relocation of wildlife (or any critters). You might want to (discretely) check on what applies in YOUR locale.

btw, chuckled at the tale of the cousin and the blueberries and the squirrels. :lol:

Cut off wheel used on squirrels? What is this, a horror movie? :eek:

re: cut off wheels and angle grinders

Do NOT-NOT-NOT use a cut off wheel as a grinding wheel! Use a grinding wheel or flap disk with your angle grinder. Or a bench grinder, or a file, etc. But a cut-off wheel is used for cut-off tasks ONLY, not as a grinding wheel. (not counting the sort-of advanced level use of a cut-off wheel to grind/nibble using the edge/periphery ONLY)

Wear a full-face shield AND safety glasses when using an angle grinder no matter what. Protect the eyes and face.

Wear hearing protection (muffs or plugs) when using an angle grinder. They are loud enough to cause hearing damage if you don't protect your hearing.

There ARE metal-bodied diamond-coated cut-off wheels made for use in an angle grinder. They work pretty well. A bit more expensive than the thin abrasive cut-off wheels, but they don't shatter suddenly (usually) or wear down in diameter. But they still do wear out.


If your rebar stakes are being pounded down flush with the garden bed walls or the ground, no real need to round over the rebar ends. Deburr the cut end a little, sure.

If the rebar is NOT being pounded down flush though, GET THE PLASTIC REBAR CAPS and cover the exposed ends of the rebar.
 

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I have a vegan, tree-hugging cousin that was crying about the squirrels eating her blueberries. I said, "You can eat squirrels, too, ya know." The horrified look on her face was priceless.
yeh, Tell her eating those squirrels would be recycling the blueberries they ate...
yeh that'll get a different "face" from her.
:rolleyes:
 
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