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Starting from Scratch, What brand tools for building a set?

Mudbone

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If you didn't have any tools at all are were trying to build a complete set for automotive work what brands would you consider if you didn't use the tools to make a living?

Some time around 2004/2005 I faced the same dilemma. I am into off road trucks, my dad has antique Packards. I had several small sets of sockets, drivers, and wrenches, mostly sets I had been given as presents. I wanted to build a large set of tools so I started looking at the "build a set" programs that the various dealers had. I really wanted to go with a USA made tool truck brand but finally decided I really could not afford that much money for something I didn't make a living with. For a given amount of money I could get more tools by going with a less expensive brand. I decided to go with Craftsman for the majority of the tools, SO for the torque wrenches, and IR for any air tools. At the time Craftsman had an 8 set program that included arounded 1200 tools and would retail for about $7-8k total if I recall. So I started buying these sets. I got one set a year around Xmas when they would usually put them on sale. I had the first three sets in hand and went to buy the fourth one around 2008 and discovered that they had redone their entire program. The new program was 11 sets that included around 1500 tools. What was in the sets completely changed from the previous program so there was no real way to transition to the new program without having gaps or overlaps in the individual tools. By the time I found out about this, the sets from the previous program had been discontinued and sold off. I have not bought any large number of tools since then partly because I was pissed at Craftsman and partly due to a lack of funds. I have mostly been borrowing stuff I don't have from friends and family.

I have decided to start over. My family has a farm/hunting property and the tools I have now would make a nice set to leave there. So I looked back into this last week and discovered that Craftsman had rearranged their program again after only four years. And once again there is no real way to transition. If I had started over with the program four years ago I really would have been ill. It seems I can't trust Craftsman to stick to one program long enough for me to buy all the sets unless I pony up for them all at once. That would be around $8-9K, (I don't need every set), which would be difficult to bite off all at once. In addition, it seems that more and more of Craftsmans tools are made overseas, even compared to 2004/2005. They also seem to be picker about warrenty replacements.

Are their any brands out there that land between Craftsman and the TT brands in terms of price and quality. Preferably with a "add a set" program.
 
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sk farmer

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for shear quantity for the dollar i would start out with craftsman. especially if you can get one of those all or predominantly usa made sets. if you want better than sk or armstrong may be a good bet. i don't know if sk has started puttint together large sets againn but a call to them would answer that.
 

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For a base set I would start with craftsman
Then add snap on stuff that I used a lot to the mix

Bob
 

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I'll second the Craftsman. Get a set, and upgrade the ratchets if you want something nicer.

Generally, most any tool is fine if you don't abuse it.

Get some HF impact sockets for when you have to really beat on something, they will hold up long after standard sockets have broken.
 

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Somewhere between Craftsman and tooltrucks? SK comes to mind. I have been buying a lot more Cornwell lately. There prices seem to be just a tad higher than say SK but lower than Snap ON. If you can find a truck look into it you may be surprised. An example is a Blair Equipment rotabroach sheet metal cutter kit. Snap On(blue point) was 149.99. The Cornwell branded is 84.95. On special for 69.99. It is EXACTLY the same just different name.
 

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There's not any one brand that makes a significant enough quantity of tools across the automotive spectrum that I wouldn't diversify.

Ratchets - Snap-on; sockets and wrenches - SK; pliers - Channellock; screwdrivers - Wiha; hammers - Estwing; power tools - Hitachi or Milwaukee.
 

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My only input is that I quit buying the bigger CM assortments for these type of set builds when I realized those assortment usually have each size of socket in not only deep and shallow versions, but both 6 and 12 point versions AND the size of sockets in any particular drive choice ranges too far down -- will the average person ever seriously need a 1/2" drive to turn a 7/16 headed bolt...thanks CM, but I'm fine with a 3/8 drive ratchet / socket for that.....It may cost cost exactly the same money, I don't know..... but I end up with a much less cluttered toolbox buying small sets of particular drive sockets and piecing together what I really need / will use.
 

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I would go with SK for sockets, wrenches and ratchets. They are USA made and tool truck quality but at better prices.

However I'd be very tempted to go with Cornwell ratchets. There is not a nicer ratchet made IMHO.

For screwdrivers forget about the boutique brands and get something that's easy to replace (either individually or via a warranty). Craftsman Professionals come to mind.

Get your impact sockets from HF and throw in a couple of their plastic ratchets.

Go with Mayhew for all your striking tools.

Get pliers from Klein and Channelock. (Knipex adjustables are OK too)

There are a million other items. Just do some research.

Shop the tool not the brand. Once they're spread out in the toolbox they get along with one another just fine.
 
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A very nice mix would be a craftsman set followed by some sk, Armstrong and a few wright tools.

Hit the flea type places for Vaughn hammers,channellock pliers,Nicholson files,older stanley screwdrivers, and any used usa power tools.
 
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I'll second the Craftsman. Get a set, and upgrade the ratchets if you want something nicer.

Generally, most any tool is fine if you don't abuse it.

Craftsman is a perfect start in my opinion. Good quality and great warranty.

However I'd be very tempted to go with Cornwell ratchets. There is not a nicer ratchet made IMHO.

For screwdrivers forget about the boutique brands and get something that's easy to replace (either individually or via a warranty). Craftsman Professionals come to mind.

Get pliers from Klein and Channelock. (Knipex adjustables are OK too)
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Good advice here from Dave, can't go wrong with Cornwell and Channelock! 2 companies dedicated to quality tools. A big plus goes out to Channelock for bringing rubber handle sourcing back to a US supplier.
 

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Sockets: Gearwrench (Just better than any CM offering nowadays)
Ratchets: I really like Armstrong Maxx, Gearwrench -- Inexpensive, durable, kits available and come in many configurations. I also love my Easco, CM RHFT ratchets.
Wrenches:: I have some older CM Pros made by SK and they are fantastic. I use my GW reversable combos a lot these days also.
Pliers: Channellock, Channellock and more Channellock.
Screwdrivers: Wiha for me. The tips are like freeking indestructible. CM basic drivers should come with a gas card for the return warranty trips. CM Pros are better, but still soft compared to Wiha in my experience.
 
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Mudbone

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Thanks for the advice guys.

I agree with the postive opinions on channel lock. Any pliers I have that aren't channel lock are ones that just happen to come as part of another set. After looking into it I found out that there is an SK truck that works a local route. I think I am going to start with them and see how the prices compare to the CM.
 

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My only input is that I quit buying the bigger CM assortments for these type of set builds when I realized those assortment usually have each size of socket in not only deep and shallow versions, but both 6 and 12 point versions AND the size of sockets in any particular drive choice ranges too far down -- will the average person ever seriously need a 1/2" drive to turn a 7/16 headed bolt...thanks CM, but I'm fine with a 3/8 drive ratchet / socket for that.....It may cost cost exactly the same money, I don't know..... but I end up with a much less cluttered toolbox buying small sets of particular drive sockets and piecing together what I really need / will use.
no they wouldnt need a 1/2" drive 7/16" but its nice when you have one and need one
 

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I bought all Craftsman USA made tools since January 2011. Some have now converted to China or Taiwan imports, but most are still US made.

I estimate around $2000 roughly into all my tools except my air tools. Besides special tools, not much else I hope to need in the future.

Sockets & Ratchets
299 pc socket set
7 pc spark plug socket set
3 pc Thin profile ratchet set
Wobble and locking extension sets in 1/4, 3/8, & 1/2
3 pc universal joint set
52 pc 1/2" impact socket set

Wrenches
43 pc RP wrench set
12 pc polished deep off set wrench set
12 pc (each) 6 point RP wrench sets in MM & SAE
9 pc flare nut wrench set
21 pc crows foot set
10 pc (x2) flare nut crows foot set in SAE & MM (SK rebrands)
10" & 12" adjustable wrench
3/8" beam style torque wrench

Hammers & enforcers
Ball pein hammers in 8, 12, 16, 24, & 32 oz
Rubber and plastic tipped ball pein
Rubber mallet
4 lb sledge hammer
5 pc pro pry bar set
3 pc "standard" pry bar set
16 pc cold chisel set
6 pc long punch set
6 pc roll pin punch set
14 pc bolt out set
Nutcracker

Screwdrivers & Misc
17 pc "standard" smelly handle screwdriver set
Torx screwdriver set
LED inspection mirror
26" magnetic pick up tool
Screwdriver bit set
4 pc pick set
4 pc Pro pick set
Seal puller
3 pc gasket scraper set
Magnetizing tool
Hand impact tool set
Piston ring compressor
3 pc Professional branded snap ring plier set
Aviation and serrated snips
Several pliers on clearance

Besides the above at Sears, I have bought a couple things outside of it. When Lowes was discontinuing their Kobalt/Danaher (same as Craftsman) tool line I bought hex and torx bits for $15 each (as opposed to $40 @ Sears) and I got a Precision Instruments 10-50 ft-lbs torque wrench from Tooltopia. I got two screwdriver sets from Williams which are the same as the "old" Snap-On hard handle screwdrivers.
 

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As an aside, I bought an SK socket set. The chrome was great. A bunch of sockets were missing detents on the inside and a handful had very faint stamping. This was last December. I wasn't impressed. I returned it.

For the $$ Craftsman is still a killer deal for sockets. And the laser etched sockets are really nice.
 
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X100 on the Channellock. My pliers are a mix of CL,SO, and Cornwell until I realized Cornwell was Channellock with a Cornwell stamp. Part #s are the same but a ccl in front and a couple bucks more I guess for orange handles. They were not significantly more. Cornwell ratchets are GREAT, I have a few. Sockets I have Craftsman and Kobalt. I cant justify the huge price differance for Snap On or Cornwell sockets. I have NEVER broken a socket in 16 years of owning and using my tools.Channellock is the BEST all around value in pliers out ther imho.
 

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I bought my "last" set of sockets this year. I've had a few before, but never to make money with until now, so I started from scratch.

I bought a Craftsman set of 1/4-1/2" laser etched, 6-point chromes (34142). The laser etched ones were definitely better made than the single-marked, I bought a cheap set at first not realizing it, the sockets had tons of casting flash inside, and many weren't stamped USA. No joke, they looked a step above the $5 sets you can buy at the parts store. I added their big 3/8 & 1/2" impact socket set (#15383). Right now, you can pick both up for <$500, with free shipping. I have yet to have anything out of those kits fail, in almost a year.

edit: That set of chrome sockets might be the only way to get CM as a set without a bunch of 12-pt BS. It's got about every socket you should need, except 1/2" deeps. I only use 1/2" impact sockets, the chromes just sit in the back of the socket drawer, so that didn't bother me.

I also added the big Craftsman wrench kits when they went on sale for $60, and Gearwrench flex wrench sets. Honestly the most of my "better" stuff is Matco ratchets. I swore tool truck brands were overpriced, but I'm addicted to 88T Matcos, man... they're like crack!

I think all told I spent just under $2k, including my $400 used box, and a bunch of Hansen socket organizers and some Wrench Racks. Does not, however, include the probably obscene amount I've spent slowly adding on since then. On the bright side, I'm pretty much out of Craftsman stuff I care for.
 
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