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Starting with Light Bulbs!?!

Compy222

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My wife and I are buying our first house in the next few weeks (we're waiting on final bank approval, but it's all looking good).

The house has a very nice 680sqft. garage, traditional 3 car, basically a 2.5 with a double door, and a third bay single door that's 12x18. It's a totally clean slate, but is wired for 220, which is great. It also has 5 outlets and gfci pre-wired. And it has a finished, but uninsulated ceiling.

The biggest downside to the house is it's lack of real garage lighting. It has 6 overhead light bulb sockets. Each with a 100w bulb in it. There is one double window and a windowed back door for extra light. It also has a 1 wall socket over the back center wall where a workbench would be. But the ceiling lighting is weak sauce to say the least.

I've been pricing options on upgrading and fixing this problem. My first though was just replacing each of the six sockets with a double T8 fixtures. Of course, six fixtures would run 40 dollars each at least. Not to cheap out, but as first time homeowners, priced out, it was getting unreasonable (especially considering I need to buy insulation too).

After some research I found that large CFL bulbs are not only become more common, but the tech is good enough to mean they are survivable and not insanely pricey. So this past week, my wife purchased off amazon a set of 4 85w/350equivalent 5500k bulbs. I've never seen CFL's this big in my life.

Just as a little comparison on the overall level of brightness and size in our current 2.5 car. We have two overhead bulb sockets i'm running incan 150w's in.

https://scontent-b-ord.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1907570_774686425393_1174318870_n.jpg

:)

It's unbelievable how much better these things are. I can't comment as to their longevity; they also have a bit of a more bluish tinge than i think 5500k should, but for 10 dollars each in a 4 pack...you can't beat this. I don't think it'll be quite as good as 6 x2 T8 fixtures, but for 80 dollars vs. 250 dollars I don't think you can go wrong. This also means I don't have to be working with a 10' ceiling and doing rewiring. Just unscrew the old and screw the new ones in. It probably will save me 4-6 hours of labor too.

Just a few notes on sizing and install...This thing is big, the bulb itself is nearly 10 inches long. It feels like you're unboxing a small pineapple. But keep this in mind if you're going to try to fit one into a limit space or area you have clearance issues with.

Anyway, I'll probably be getting a build-up thread going in the gallery section once we actually get possession of the house.
 
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theoldwizard1

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First, who else has a fan troweled ceiling in their garage ! Most people I know don't even have a ceiling in their garage !

Second,

My first though was just replacing each of the six sockets with a double T8 fixtures. Of course, six fixtures would run 40 dollars each at least.

You can get bare bulb double T8 fixture for under $20 each around here. Replace the porcelain screw-in bulb fixture with a octagon box cover with duplex outlet and some wire staples and you are done. Admittedly very crude for a ceiling like that.
 

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Compy222
You are not the first to recognize the benefits of the large CFL's, I have ten 105 watt / 400 watt bulbs in my 24x36 garage and I love them. You can read a lot more about them in the following thread;

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38658

NOW, cook the popcorn and sit back because you are going to have a lot of reading to do from the ANTI CFL POLICE. They will be glad to tell you why you made the wrong decision. (lol)

Jim
 
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bowlofturtle

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Can u amazon link me to the ones u bought? I need to forward this idea to some friends.

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Looks good, only thing you need to worry about is the garage door opening up if you have some above it,but that's if they put a 9 foot door in.
 

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Your going to be just fine with those large CFL's. I think it was Vinco who first posted on using those....a lot of guys have followed suit.

A few years down the road when you run out of projects and have the money...maybe upgrade...but for now....you have a solution....

But that ceiling? Good thing your leaving that behind......

And congrats on the new house.

Some advice....don't worry about the garage the first month...it's going to be the junk collection space while you guys are getting settled in....once you have everything put away...then start on the garage....of course we will be glad to help you spend your money....and give you free advice...

Be sure to post up pics...
 
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Compy222

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But that ceiling? Good thing your leaving that behind......

Some advice....don't worry about the garage the first month...it's going to be the junk collection space while you guys are getting settled in....once you have everything put away...then start on the garage....of course we will be glad to help you spend your money....and give you free advice...

not going to miss the fan ceiling. we're living in a rental now that apparently was owned by the guy that developed the neighborhood, so it has a giant garage, really a small 3 car, but with one double door. it's pretty awesome, fully insulated, but still haven't figured out why the ceiling is like that...

I appreciate the advice. The home we're buying is vacant and somebody moved out and left all the lights on the in the garage accidentally, so every one of the 6 100w incandescents in the ceiling are burned out...which isn't going to fly for one minute. the time savings of just screwing in new bigger CFL's in this regard is great.

Spring/summer is bringing the following agenda items for the new garage:

- insulate walls/ceiling (this will be late summer before winter)
- epoxy floor (once we're back into "warm")
- put a washbasin/laundry tub in
- new bulbs/lights (day one)
- adding another fixture in the front of the garage (before insulation)

anyway, i'll happily take the advice from you guys to spend my hard earned dollars. :D
 
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Bib Overalls

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You can keep the CFLs for general lighting and incrementally add supplemental T5 or T8s over your workbench, etc. That will help with color and shadows.
 

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I heard about these bulbs on another forum and they are awesome in terms of light output, I'm putting them in my garage loft (until I finish it) and attic spaces. They are very cost effective for the light output you get.
 

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I also installed a few of these...about $15 each from Amazon...and you almost need to wear your sunglasses in the garage!
 

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with these CFLS are u having to wait for them to get to full brightness. I put a 150 watt replacement on my porch by the bbq and it takes awhile to get to full brightness
 

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I put two of them in the barn and it made a huge improvement. Not happy with the ecological aspect, but it's better than lopping my finger off because I can't see squat. I'm slowly switching the rest (four more to go) over and installing 4' fluorscents. The combo will hopefully be energy efficient and bright enough for my old eyes to see.
 
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Compy222

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with these CFLS are u having to wait for them to get to full brightness. I put a 150 watt replacement on my porch by the bbq and it takes awhile to get to full brightness

they do take a minute or two to "come up" in sub-freezing weather. it's not as much of a concern as i have an insulated garage and it normally stays above freezing inside.

given the relative light and size of the bulbs though, even at 50% they are still pretty bright.
 

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My father in law has been running these in his shop (that his grandfather built ages ago) to replace several 150w incandescents for several years. At half the wattage but double the brightness it has made a huge difference, though his are about 15ft above the floor.

Another thought, that may be useful for you, if you are worried at all about those bulbs hanging down too far, is to get something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002B7OD8A/?tag=atomicindus08-20
And turn that bulb 90 degrees. Looks like it could gain you a few inches of clearance, and maybe even slightly diffuse the light better (by raising the tube higher and also using the white ceiling as a bit more of a reflector).

You could possibly even come up with some sort of "globe" or housing to cover it up with it turned horizontally like that.

Some advice....don't worry about the garage the first month...it's going to be the junk collection space while you guys are getting settled in....once you have everything put away...then start on the garage....of course we will be glad to help you spend your money....and give you free advice...

Ha...Ha...first month...right. I designed our 3 car 30x36 attached garage as "my space"... so far, my truck has spent two nights in there, and those were the first two nights we spent in our house because it was raining outside and my truck was loaded down with moving boxes. Those boxes were unloaded where my truck was supposed to sit and have barely moved since. 6 months later... I might be able to get my truck back inside in a few weeks when she takes some of her boxes off to Goodwill.
 

Paul1956

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I put 1 - 100 watt LED bulb in my 20 x 18 garage and was
amazed at the results with just that one bulb.

No wait for startup as with some CFLs but that may not be
an issue for everyone.

I have replaced all my kitchen lights with LEDs and have
the pendants on a dimmer... love it.

I might go with LEDs for general lighting and fluorescent
fixture over the workbench.
 
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