steel building info

[fubar62172]

Hi Guys
I'm in the process of looking for a steel building to put up for my garage/shop. I'm looking for a decent building for a lowish price. Gonna have some machine shop equipment in it and a lift for my cars. There are a bunch of companies out there and they seem like used car salesmen so I figured I'd ask for some real life experiences. Shop will be going up in SE Massachusetts so I'd also like to ask about if and how you insulated your buildings
Thanks for any input

 

[readhead]

How big? Any kind of budget? Are you stuck on steel? What have you looked at so far? Have you developed a plan for the building? Is permitting required?

 

[mattgood65]

I'm in the same boat up here in Northern Vt. My problem is I need a 75 lbs Snow load building, That makes a steel building expensive. I really like the hybrids. Like the Perka or Miracle Truss, But then there's the budget. I'm building a 40' x 60' x 18' high in the spring. Was thinking steel but after doing all the research Thinkin I'm going typical wood/w trusses. 8" I beam ontop of the studding with a bridge crane that runs inside the web. I saw a building/crane like that in New York. Works sweet.

 

[readhead]

75 pound snow load is not a big deal. If anything it will make a 40' span wood truss very expensive. Talk about expensive. The bridge crane idea has all kinds of expensive written all over it. The connection from the wall to the roof is going to be complicated. The beam to bridge 40' is going to get large just to hold its self up not to mention any load.

Again here is someone that is trying to back into the process instead of producing a plan and getting prices. Design what you want and if it is to expensive start cutting things out instead of being shocked when everything comes back "to expensive".

 

[jbjaz]

My friend has one for sale, new on pallets, central MA, 25 X 34 X 12'10" high. $4k If you are interested

 

[fubar62172]

How big? Any kind of budget? Are you stuck on steel? What have you looked at so far? Have you developed a plan for the building? Is permitting required?

as big as I can get for my budget which would be under 10k ...Not stuck on steel if there is another option....starting the process now..have only talked to http://www.steelmasterusa.com/blog/ so far...what do you mean as far as plan? yes

My friend has one for sale, new on pallets, central MA, 25 X 34 X 12'10" high. $4k If you are interested

sent you a message

 

[readhead]

Your budget is very unrealistic. For instance concrete for a 25x34 will be around 20k and up depending on your site conditions. You might be able to squeeze in a 12x20 tube steel building with concrete in your budget if you erect it yourself. Plans as in foundation, floorplan, elevations etc. You will need that for the building department.

 

[sberry]

I got to agree. You need 5 times that to get a shell up that big if you are a blazing fool and can ram every screw in for free.

 

[mattgood65]

Well Mr. Readhead, I've seen it done and its really not expensive or complicated. Just takes a little hard work and common sense. Like I said its a sweet set up for the cost. A fool argues with success.

 

[fubar62172]

Your budget is very unrealistic. For instance concrete for a 25x34 will be around 20k and up depending on your site conditions. You might be able to squeeze in a 12x20 tube steel building with concrete in your budget if you erect it yourself. Plans as in foundation, floorplan, elevations etc. You will need that for the building department.

I'm only talking under 10k for the building...I have no problem erecting my self if needed...I already have a price of one for around $8500 just trying to see what people have had luck with

 

[readhead]

Not saying it can't be done. I'm in the steel fabrication business and a little hard work and common sense can add up to some real money fast.

 

[readhead]

How big and what type of building for $8500?

 

[fubar62172]

30x38x15 quonset style

 

[readhead]

Sounds like a good deal. The most DIY friendly building to erect. Most expensive to insulate.

 

[fubar62172]

they are telling me they use spray foam...could you tell me anything about that process?
Thanks

 

[readhead]

You will want to use closed cell and around here that size building would run around 8-10 K. Plus the building department might want you to cover it because of fire concerns.

 

[bczygan]

they are telling me they use spray foam...could you tell me anything about that process?
Thanks

Yes,

A company comes in and sprays it. Not cheap though.

 

[Catadj78]

Your budget is very unrealistic. For instance concrete for a 25x34 will be around 20k and up depending on your site conditions. You might be able to squeeze in a 12x20 tube steel building with concrete in your budget if you erect it yourself. Plans as in foundation, floorplan, elevations etc. You will need that for the building department.

I got my concrete for less than 4500. 40x40 with 1 25x4 apron and 1 10x2 apron. That was 5", mesh, rebar on the edges and aprons and a slick finish. No site work though as I did that myself.

 

[readhead]

For a 40x40 what?

 

[matt_i]

8" I beam ontop of the studding with a bridge crane that runs inside the web. I saw a building/crane like that in New York. Works sweet.

Research carefully. An 8" I-beam spanning 40 feet can probably only pick up as much as 2 strong guys. Bridge cranes have to be designed for deflection in mind as the tractive devices aren't strong enough to "roll uphill" from a low point.

 

[rburke65]

I know I ...we...don't have the complete story here but I think some of these estimates are coming right out of 'Wish Land'. 40x40 plus your aprons are ...depending what a hard of concrete is in your local.....going to be close to $3000 and add rebar and mesh. No labor yet. I'll just say that's hard to believe.

 

[sberry]

I got threads mixed up.

 

[mattgood65]

No, The 8" beam is just the run way, sits on top of the studded wall, The actually bridge beam will be much heavier. I haven't done the math yet. But the building that I'm copying is 36' wide, so I'll use something just a bit heavier for the bridge.

 

[fastbike02]

Your budget is very unrealistic. For instance concrete for a 25x34 will be around 20k and up depending on your site conditions. You might be able to squeeze in a 12x20 tube steel building with concrete in your budget if you erect it yourself. Plans as in foundation, floorplan, elevations etc. You will need that for the building department.

That's not true I have a 20x20 steel tube building erected with concrete for just little over 5K! I did a lot of site prep for concrete myself and also that was just the building I have spent prob another 2k buying insulation, electrical, and osb for the walls

 

[readhead]

The OP also clarified that his budget was just for the building. Just a note for others. It helps to have the whole story up front.

 

[jimchevy]

I'm not familiar with those type of buildings. I had a 24x32 pole building with 12 foot high walls built including the 4000 psi concrete floor and "several" extras for 13 grand. Very happy with it. Shirk Pole Buildings built it.

 

[fubar62172]

anybody have a http://strat-o-span.com/?

 

[fubar62172]

I'm not familiar with those type of buildings. I had a 24x32 pole building with 12 foot high walls built including the 4000 psi concrete floor and "several" extras for 13 grand. Very happy with it. Shirk Pole Buildings built it.

Thats not a bad price..They dont reach my area though

 

[robertlynk]

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243589
Post 4
This is my experience

 

[robertlynk]

Here is the insulation I used
http://www.thermaldesign.com/products/category/simple_saver/a_simple_choice
Lok at photos in my profile on the interior also