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Mr.wolf

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I've done a lot of searching but would like the opinion of the knowledgeable folks here. I would love to have a hoist in the middle of my shop (24x 30 standard post frame, 4x6 treated posts, engineered trusses). I would also like it if it gave me the ability to tie some rafters to it to add some attic space but if this is a no go I can live without that part. So I need to go 24' and can support it on either side with 4x6 posts. I haven't decided how I will support these, likely some sort of post Anchor to the concrete. Does anyone know what size I beam I would be able to expect to lift say 1000lbs? I doubt I'd ever lift anything this heavy but don't want to under do it.

If someone knows spec on these I'm curious.

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Thank you very much. The problem I've found is either I don't know how to read these charts (likely) or they don't give a "point load" or "static load" . I'm not sure which term i should be looking for for single load sitting on or hanging in the center. I've also had no luck finding these figures for wood for what it's worth. Thank you both.

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Ah, thanks my old tools. The second link gives me something. 10" at 25' , 1 ton. That's a starting point! I was hoping to go with a 6". Hmm
 

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Does anyone know what size I beam I would be able to expect to lift say 1000lbs?
Ah, thanks my old tools. The second link gives me something. 10" at 25' , 1 ton. That's a starting point! I was hoping to go with a 6". Hmm

Z... you're confusing me? Do you want 1 ton or what you originally stated, 1000 lbs?

1 ton = 2000 lbs.

Drop the load to 1000 lbs and you'll be happier with the beam size.

And if yo do ever want to pick up something heavier you can slip a couple temporary supports under the beam, straddling the heavy load.
 
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i meant 1000 lbs, sorry . I was origanally considering 2000 but that's way overkill. The chart I saw just gave that 1 ton as the minimum it showed support for. Thank you all for the help. The online calculators were not specific enough and I'm still trying to learn how to read the load charts. A friend just ran it through a calculator he has acces to and said a W8 10' per foot would do 1000 at 24' span. Now I have to figure how to support it safely.
 
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You will need footings under the posts... And adding a attic load would change things too

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...I'm a whole lot more concerned about lateral support on a 24' span and a non-compact section.

If the load is limited to 1k then the point load under a 4x6 is negligible at 26psi.
 

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The question of whether it also supports the building framing is an important one, because the point load which causes it to deflect would then also deflect the building structure by the same amount. Seems insignificant but is the building elastic enough to dip by 3/4" in the center?

Imo you are better off making your hoist beam independent.

If it was me, I would use a W8 x 24, but you have to ask yourself if you are equipped to handle a ~600# unwieldy chunk of metal that has to be tightly fitted into the confines of an existing building? A practical problem buried in there is you need to be able to measure and cut it to 1/16" precision, and potentially do some high-confidence structural welding for attaching plates.

The problems to be resolved continue because appropriate connections have to be made to columns (could be tube-steel, bolted flanges) and the columns have to be supported in 2 directions viewed from the top so they don't fall over while loaded. Using wood columns makes this more challenging as knife plates have to be designed with clearance for heavy hex bolts. The side loading is especially important if the load is trolleyed on the beam which is quite likely in your setup. In one direction a "knee brace" could be used, but the other direction is likely in the plane of the wall. Metal "X" bracing would be my choice to add a little more racking resistance to the wall plane.

Actual paid engineering services will give you a practical plan to build from. I can tell you about the issues but am not qualified to actually design the beam.

The people suggesting a gantry are giving good advice, I will add to that, make sure you design the "parking area" for it because it will likely sit around 99.9% of the time. Allowing it to straddle over top of an existing workbench is usually a decent plan if there aren't swinging-door cabinets mounted over top of it.
 
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Thanks much gents. I'm learning so much here and from the suggested links. Engineering tool box is cool. I just need to learn more I play in the dirt for a living. I called carter lumber today and a 3.5"x14" glue lam will give me 1000lbs hanging load allowed at center. Then I could notch 6x6 posts and bolt the new posts to the building posts for lateral support. What do you think of this idea? I didn't imagine I could get a single 24" piece of lumber to do that but the engineer or whoever they transferred me to at carter said absolutely.

Thanks,

ETA, this will normally be used daily to lift he front of my ztr mowers which I can lift off the ground myself (just squatting and lifting) and they get very light when the front is all the way up. But I would like to be able to put a unistrut trolley for a heavy bag and it would be nice to pull a motor if I ever decide to.
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You realize that you have to also add the weight of the beam into your calculations, have some type of factor of safety and take into account that if you lift a 1000 load, the initial pull increasing the load even more.
 

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I can calculate, but currently out of town without my books. Safety factor for lifting is 5 IIRC.
 

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Matt i ......sounds as, if you have been down this road before. Great info.

Yes, I put this I-beam header into my shop. Sized, designed, fabricated, set, in 1-stop shopping ;) This is for mainly for supporting the roof and not specifically for lifting although the designer put a slight bit of oversize....



 
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