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Sticking Acrylic to HDPE Help

spotco2

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Need some thoughts on an adhesive that will work on acrylic and HDPE plastic.


The backboard on the kids basketball goal is coming loose and I'm not real sure on what will stick to both pieces. Really don't want to screw it together if I don't have to and I'm tired of hearing it flop around.
 
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Another vote for 3M VHB tape, but only the right one. They make a ton of different formulations under the VHB moniker. You're looking for something that works with 'low surface energy' materials. It will be expensive at retail, I suspect. This will work best as a border vs. laminating a broad field of material. Not sure what your geometry looks like.

There are probably other options out there, and I would be looking for something that stayed soft/elastic, vs. say an epoxy that cured hard/brittle. Maybe one of the urethane construction adhesives at Home Depot will give you some love? In jest, maybe some spray foam since it seems to stick to everything?

Have fun!

Jon

Some links via Google "Bonding HDPE to Acrylic" search:

- Good article on similar challenge from someone building an aquarium: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bonding-acrylic-to-hdpe.372260/

- Some tape that purports to do the job: https://www.amazon.com/WOD-AT-UHB10-Acrylic-Mounting-Tape/dp/B07L52T1SR
 
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I finally had a chance to go out and look at how it was put together originally. It appears to have some sort of urethane adhesive from the factory and it's stuck to the HDPE extremely well. It appears the failure was on the acrylic side.

I'll see what I can come up with at Home Depot and report back what I can find. Honestly I'm not getting my hopes up much and don't want to drop a lot of money on a 10 year old used backboard. I'm sure they will be on sale when Black Friday rolls around.
 

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I have had good luck gluing the plastic the job weld plastic weld. It works awesome in the hdpe to metal and some other materials. I have yet to try your application but I would say you have a good chance of it working


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I used "J-B Weld 50139 Plastic Bonder Body Panel Adhesive and Gap Filler Syringe - Black - 25 ml" on a recent project with ABS plastic, and it worked very well.
 
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3M has a specific product for HDPE. So far as I am aware, it's about the only thing easily available that will properly bond HDPE, and it's not cheap. Can't remember what it's called.

I use a lot of that material, and while it's great stuff, it's a pain in the *** to design around, sometimes.
 

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I finally had a chance to go out and look at how it was put together originally. It appears to have some sort of urethane adhesive from the factory and it's stuck to the HDPE extremely well. It appears the failure was on the acrylic side.

I'll see what I can come up with at Home Depot and report back what I can find. Honestly I'm not getting my hopes up much and don't want to drop a lot of money on a 10 year old used backboard. I'm sure they will be on sale when Black Friday rolls around.

Home Depot does not sell ANYTHING that will bond well to HDPE. No matter how good the bond, the difference in thermal expansion rates of the two materials will lead to failure eventually, unless the bond can make up for this. That's where VHB tape comes into play, but the low-surface-energy VHB is extremely difficult to source (the VHB that HD sells does not have this adhesive formulation, and their "Extreme" tape will fall off the HDPE), and is also outrageously expensive.

I suggest drilling and countersinking the acrylic, and using flat head wood screws. Be careful when drilling acrylic. Use minimal pressure and a not too sharp bit, and stay at least 1/2" from the edges, or else you run the risk of cracking.
 

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Somehow I missed the backboard part.

It ain't going to be worth it. You're just going to waste time and money. Use hardware, replace the backboard with something else, or if the HDPE/acrylic is thick enough for whatever it has to do, just ditch one. Just make sure it's safe.

Buying what you want is incredibly difficult and expensive. It's a bigger project than you might think.

I love HDPE, and I hate HDPE. I think that's going to be the case for anyone who doesn't work with it in a factory stocked with what's needed.

If you want to sandwich them with hardware, just like glass it makes sense to wrap the edges in channel of some kind (aluminum U, for example), use bolts and nuts, and drill the holes in the materials themselves a little larger than they need to be to allow for expansion if you're trying to "laminate" them together.

HDPE likes to move, and it will crack itself in the winter given half a chance if it's restrained. In the summer, it's possible for it to crack the acrylic.

It's not as bad as attaching them to metal, but they do have different expansion characteristics, and that can produce an obscene amount of force.

You'll want to assemble them in a somewhat average temperature. IF you do it outside in the cold, you're starting off at an extreme. Do it inside at a slightly higher than average temperature you expect to account for solar loading in the summer.

The only reason more people don't use more HDPE more often is the fact that it's a pain in the ***, and you've pretty much got to heat it into a shape or screw/bolt it together, it eats blades, it eats bits, you have to cut it slow or it will melt...

Like I said, I don't know how it's put together, but I suppose it must be fairly obvious what's safe and what's not when looking at it. If you use screws, make sure they aren't sticking out the back in case something breaks or falls.

Or just screw the ****** together and hope it works. :lol: You'll probably get away with it. The above is just all the things that factor into laminating two polymers when one of them is hard-headed.
 

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3M has a specific product for HDPE. So far as I am aware, it's about the only thing easily available that will properly bond HDPE, and it's not cheap. Can't remember what it's called.

I use a lot of that material, and while it's great stuff, it's a pain in the *** to design around, sometimes.

3M scotch weld. $50 for a tube. Then you need the applicator. I used it on a HDPE water tank. I plastic welded it first. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007IATIK8/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 
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Just a follow up. I has some rolls of 0.5 4991 VHB in the shop and thought I would try that. Cleaned everything with 90% ISO and applied when temps were in the high 60's. We have had temps since down to the 20' and up to the high 70's and it has held well with use.

I will not be able to keep up with its performance much longer. Rumor is that Santa might be bringing a new goal this year.

Thanks everyone!
 

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Devcon Plastic Welder or Expanding foam. That latter stuff sticks to anything - just try getting any overspray off!
 
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