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that's pretty sad. Humans are our own worst enemy.

I had all of my power and air tools stolen when I first moved into my current house about 7 years ago. I guess there must be a huge market for used tools. I checked all the local pawn and used shops, craigslist... never found anything (my name engraved on every tool). I guess they went to a different location.

I was lucky enough that my home insurance covered the cost 100%, so I got all brand new tools. But I'm still pissed about it, I have alot of sentimental attachment to things that I own.
 

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All that stuff is from the back of people's pickup trucks.

So many of the same items that look brand new made me think this was mostly retail theft.

The article says:
According to police, the tools were stolen from retail stores, businesses, vehicles, residential properties and construction sites and were kept in storage units.
 

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I never have bought stolen tools. But a lawn tractor I found a good deal on is missing all decals and numbers.
 

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So many of the same items that look brand new made me think this was mostly retail theft.

The article says:
I'm seeing a lot of tools that look used. If it was retail theft, why take the tools out of their boxes?

The dead giveaway are the miter saws; those are always in the back of pickup trucks.
 

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I'm in the UK, they say you will have your tools stolen at least once in your career if your in the trades. From people I have worked with this is pretty accurate.
In all likely hood all you'll get from the police is a crime number so you can claim on your insurance (which even if you have good insurance probably won't cover enough)
 

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The hard part about some of the adds, is they're made out to be bought at pallet auctions/ resellers. Some adds i see you can definitely tell the tools are stolen
 

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When I worked for a construction company Mondays were started by replacing all the stolen batteries and cut cables in all the equipment
 

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My tools were stolen 40+ years ago. It still pisses me off.
I take solice in having a very, very good idea of who the thief was (brother in law of an girlfriend) and witnessing his miserable life married to a "see you next Tuesday". No doubt this POS is dead now. I wonder who got my tools.
 

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The scale of stealing all of those tools is mind boggling. Just the thought of cleaning up those piles of tools is staggering. Probably an army of addicts working 24/7 to accumulate them.
 
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The article says they busted the thieves because one of the victims had a tracking device in one of the tools that was stolen. Any guesses as to what type of tracking device? I see things like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauk...acker-20-Pack-48-21-2310-48-21-2310/318995474, but that only works within 300 ft so not much of a tracker for theft prevention purposes I would think.
One Key is a service so every user’s device reports location to the cloud servicewhen it gets close to any tag.
 

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Any guesses as to what type of tracking device?
My wife and I use Tile devices on our keychains, so they can be easily located if mis-placed. But it takes a nearby smart phone with bluetooth, running the Tile App and reporting the location, to find it. While this can be any phone with said app (it reports anonymously if it’s not your Tile), I would think thieves would likely be aware of all this and first try to remove all such devices from their ill-gotten gains, and then never allow a smart phone near their stash, just in case they missed any.
 

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My wife and I use Tile devices on our keychains, so they can be easily located if mis-placed. But it takes a nearby smart phone with bluetooth, running the Tile App and reporting the location, to find it. While this can be any phone with said app (it reports anonymously if it’s not your Tile), I would think thieves would likely be aware of all this and first try to remove all such devices from their ill-gotten gains, and then never allow a smart phone near their stash, just in case they missed any.

I think you're right that the thieves in this case would have been aware of typical tracking software and taken precautions. So the either the person who got them caught used something very unusual, or they stole so much stuff so fast that they couldn't check it all for tracking devices. Anyway, I'm glad they got caught!
 

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The article says they busted the thieves because one of the victims had a tracking device in one of the tools that was stolen. Any guesses as to what type of tracking device? I see things like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauk...acker-20-Pack-48-21-2310-48-21-2310/318995474, but that only works within 300 ft so not much of a tracker for theft prevention purposes I would think.

Apple makes a product called an Air Tag that is very popular and small. If someone has the app on their phone and drives by that storage unit with an Air Tag in it, it will send in the location. When it first came out, I read an article how it was used to track airline luggage theft to someone's apartment.
 

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My wife and I use Tile devices on our keychains, so they can be easily located if mis-placed. But it takes a nearby smart phone with bluetooth, running the Tile App and reporting the location, to find it. While this can be any phone with said app (it reports anonymously if it’s not your Tile), I would think thieves would likely be aware of all this and first try to remove all such devices from their ill-gotten gains, and then never allow a smart phone near their stash, just in case they missed any.

I can only speak to iPhones and Air Tags but due to laws to prevent stalking if a nearby smartphone, to which the Air Tag is not associated, it gives a warning on the phone saying, “there is an unknown tracking device traveling with you…”
 

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I can only speak to iPhones and Air Tags but due to laws to prevent stalking if a nearby smartphone, to which the Air Tag is not associated, it gives a warning on the phone saying, “there is an unknown tracking device traveling with you…”
With Tiles, the App will directly locate your own registered devices, and can also make them sound off an audible alarm when you’re close enough to hear it. It will also locate and anonymously report locations of other Tile devices, but you cannot know who it belongs to, or even the fact that it is reporting it. The owner of the device also cannot know who you are - so it’s a double anonymous system whenever the Tile device isn’t registered to the smartphone owner. You have to opt in, however, both to have your Tile devices tracked in this fashion, as well as to allow your smartphone to track others. For the system to have coverage and work, it needs lots of Tile owners to agree to do both.

I suppose that if the Air Tag app reports to the smartphone owner that a non-owned device is nearby, that would prevent stalking, however it would also defeat using them to chase down thieves.

All such technology has its plusses and minuses.
 
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I suppose that if the Air Tag app reports to the smartphone owner that a non-owned device is nearby, that would would prevent stalking, however it would also defeat using them to chase down thieves.

All such technology has its plusses and minuses.

Yeah that’s the problem for my intended purposes. I’m not a lowlife ****bag who would drop an AirTag in someone’s purse and then stalk them.

I have one hidden in each vehicle so that if a lowlife ****bag steals one of them I can track it.

However if they get a warning on their phone alerting them that there’s an AirTag traveling with them… that defeats the purpose for me. Plus it incentivizes them to tear apart my interior or exterior to try and find it.
 

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However if they get a warning on their phone alerting them that there’s an AirTag traveling with them… that defeats the purpose for me. Plus it incentivizes them to tear apart my interior or exterior to try and find it.
We have an AirTag on one dog. It often won’t tell me it’s nearby, until she’s been alone with me for about an hour, away from the wife’s phone, that it’s tied to.

But apparently it also chirps softly when it’s outside Bluetooth range of her phone.
 

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It's fairly easy sometimes. I can usually tell by the randomness of the adds. Pictures of tools in someone's trunk. Tools with owners Initials that don't match the seller's name. Click on the profile and it's a meth head selling the items is always a dead give away as well.
 

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I never have bought stolen tools. But a lawn tractor I found a good deal on is missing all decals and numbers.
I had something similar that rattled me. I would never buy something I know is stolen. But I bought a used Honda generator for a company going out of business. When I worked on it about a week later, I noticed the serial number plates were removed. I called the woman who sold it to me then and she had no explanation. I did not want to accuse since it could have been an employee prepping to steal and did not get around to it or she was just lying (probably most likely).

Most tool theft is from pros or directly from big box stores. I think the stores tell there employees not to confront due to safety & liability and the crooks know it and rapidly wheel out carts of new product. Be very suspicious of boxed new stuff selling under store price. There is a high chance it is stolen. I wish the stores would take a more proactive approach to this.

It is also not just tools that get stolen. Wire and other construction supplies too. Around 2013 I was going into a Home Depot near Oakland, CA and I saw a middle eastern garb guy wheeling in shopping carts of mixed supplies for store credit. He was having the clerk scan every item and anything with a Home Depot stock number was getting taken and other stuff tossed in another cart. They did this for store credit they would resell on Craigslist for a modest discount per $. I was so mad I went up and complained to the manager and said I will never buy more supplies there (and I buy a lot) if they do not address it. He did not want to say anything.

As a country we need to take our head out of our rear end in obviously wrong situations and say f' corporate lawyers and do what is right. Else stuff like this rarely gets better. There is no way to prevent all theft but companies should not be doing stuff that effectively encourages theft and passing of those losses onto others who do what they are supposed to.
 

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I had something similar that rattled me. I would never buy something I know is stolen. But I bought a used Honda generator for a company going out of business. When I worked on it about a week later, I noticed the serial number plates were removed. I called the woman who sold it to me then and she had no explanation. I did not want to accuse since it could have been an employee prepping to steal and did not get around to it or she was just lying (probably most likely).

Most tool theft is from pros or directly from big box stores. I think the stores tell there employees not to confront due to safety & liability and the crooks know it and rapidly wheel out carts of new product. Be very suspicious of boxed new stuff selling under store price. There is a high chance it is stolen. I wish the stores would take a more proactive approach to this.

It is also not just tools that get stolen. Wire and other construction supplies too. Around 2013 I was going into a Home Depot near Oakland, CA and I saw a middle eastern garb guy wheeling in shopping carts of mixed supplies for store credit. He was having the clerk scan every item and anything with a Home Depot stock number was getting taken and other stuff tossed in another cart. They did this for store credit they would resell on Craigslist for a modest discount per $. I was so mad I went up and complained to the manager and said I will never buy more supplies there (and I buy a lot) if they do not address it. He did not want to say anything.

As a country we need to take our head out of our rear end in obviously wrong situations and say f' corporate lawyers and do what is right. Else stuff like this rarely gets better. There is no way to prevent all theft but companies should not be doing stuff that effectively encourages theft and passing of those losses onto others who do what they are supposed to.
Part of the issue with the whole “do something” argument, is that the major corporations suffering a lot of the theft, are lazy and careless, which can lead to claims of stolen merchandise for items actually purchased, or theft claims because someone tried to scan something and it didn’t actually scan.
Back in my late teens a Home Depot employee accused me of theft because I was wondering the aisles looking at the various stuff HD carried, and must have “looked suspicious”, since apparently the only reason to go to a warehouse store was to buy exactly what you needed and leave.
Weirdly, no actual professional hardware or industrial supplier has ever given me the same problem. They usually also have catalogs. Maybe HD has a giant catalog, but I’ve never seen one.

Unfortunately for tools, there are no easy universal databases to look up serial numbers to determine possible theft, not that that could also cause issues.
If you get a tool without a serial number, there is also no way to look up an item by description, to determine if the item might be stolen.
There is also no way to reregister an item without a serial number.
The police generally don’t want to get involved in the above, unless they specifically want to charge a person for something.
 

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We have an AirTag on one dog. It often won’t tell me it’s nearby, until she’s been alone with me for about an hour, away from the wife’s phone, that it’s tied to.

But apparently it also chirps softly when it’s outside Bluetooth range of her phone.
I do know someone who removes the speaker from the air tags, makes them a bit harder for someone to find if it doesn't make any noise.
 
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