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Work at a foreign auto shop that has an average of 40 customers a day.I started 9 months ago with budget tools to get me going and now want to upgrade. Was given HF earthquake 3/8 and 1/2 in guns for free. Used them every day and outgrowing them. I want to upgrade the 3/8 first. The two I see battling are the NitroCat 1355-XL and Ingersoll Rand 2115TiMAX. I do NOT care about price and DO NOT GIVE A **** about being made in Taiwan/ tool truck brands. The Snap-On, Matco, and Mac come to my shop weekly but I do NOT want to purchase from them. I stay with the Tool Truck Equivalent thread here on GJ and have impressed/ made my co-workers jealous since they spent an average 20% more $$$ on the same tools I have obtained. So the main point of this thread was to help me choose NitroCat 1355-XL or Ingersoll Rand 2115TiMAX. To go along with which gun I choose, I need metric impact swivels. I see Gearwrench, GreyPneumatic, Sunex, Sk... The largest size I can stop at is 21mm.

Edit- Forgot to add, include why you choose the brand you recommend. Did you own the other brand in the past? What was the weak point?
 
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I vote grey pneumatic and ir. Gp has served me very well. I have not broken a socket or swivel in 7 years of pro use. The hex and torx are not as good.......but they get the job done most of the time. I bought a snap on t-55......to get the really tough ones. Other than the t-55 gp has always got it done for me. I have tried many of the top tier impacts.......I like the ir stuff the best. More comfort for only a SLIGHT power compromise. The new gun looks to be close in ergonomics, but ups the power.
 

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The GP aren't well marked, I decided between SK & Sunex for this reason. Either of those will do.
 

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the IR air guns really have no competition at this time, unless price is an issue.

if they are good enough for NASCAR, they can handle what you are doing!

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Do they have to be pneumatic? Have you thought about a M18 fuel 3/8"? I don't know how I survived without mine all these years!

If not, I agree with an IR. It's all I've ever owned...they are strong and proven.

For impact swivels, I like Gray Pneumatics. I have a 3/8's kit and really like them. They are holding up very well.
 

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I have the IR 2125 QTimax. It's the same gun, with a 1/2" anvil. It's great. I think I found the best price on mine at amazon.

That model does have a grease *** on the hammer case, and if you use it regularly, it will need greased once every 6 months or so. You can tell when it needs greasing, as power output drops, and periodically the hammers just start sticking periodically. Greasing it, and using it normally for a few minutes to distribute the grease brings it back to like new performance. It takes a special grease from IR, and it comes in a kit with the grease gun.

For impact swivels, I recommend armstrong. They have pinless impact swivels. They are the same as matco and craftsman, and actually craftsman may be the cheapest, but warranty with sears is not something I would bet on long term. I quit wrecking swivels when I changed to these pinless ones.
 

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Not sure if I understand how you outgrow something like this unless it has stopped working ?

I used to use some HF impact tools until I got some better stuff. It wasn't so much that I "outgrew" the tools so much as my tool inventory grew to include better ones.
 

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The GP aren't well marked, I decided between SK & Sunex for this reason. Either of those will do.
looks pretty well marked to me!

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For impact swivels, I recommend armstrong. They have pinless impact swivels. They are the same as matco and craftsman, and actually craftsman may be the cheapest, but warranty with sears is not something I would bet on long term. I quit wrecking swivels when I changed to these pinless ones.

I was going to say the same thing... My only concern would be ease of warranty of the Armstrongs... I never had to warrranty any of my Armstrong stuff, so I don't know.

It would be a tough call on the IR QTi or the new Proto gun...
 

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I based the marking comment on the short 3/8" impacts I have, they are only marked with laser etching, and it's wearing off. I don't keep them in the case though. Can't tell, are these stamped with sizes also?
 

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Nitrocat would not be an upgrade to the Earthquake gun, so you should probably go with th IR of the 2 you listed. I would also recommend the Proto gun.

Swivels would be sunex or craftsman/armstrong/matco.
 

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I have always felt that there's one company in Taiwan that makes all of the impact sockets for sunex, grey pneumatic, and others. The only thing that changes is the color of the box it comes in.
The only difference between sunex and grey pneumatic beside the red or blue box they come in, is that sunex in addition to the gold high vis marking, has the socket size stamped in small numbers too. You can't go wrong with sunex or GP and if you shop around, you can get them fairly cheap too.
If you're worried about warranty, pick up a NAPA set of impact swivels. Same as sunex, but warrantied locally at your napa store.
I don't think you can find a better 3/8 impact than the IR2115TIMAX. It's compact, well balanced, and powerful. You're not looking for a 3/8 impact to do the work of a 1/2 impact, you want power with access. I have never owned an aircat product but, my peers have tried them. They seem to work well initially but. then power dies off over time. shop around for the best deal.
 
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Might want to consider warranty and the ease of using it if you are doing high volume work.

I don't mind warranty if there's a distributor around 94587

the IR air guns really have no competition at this time, unless price is an issue.
if they are good enough for NASCAR, they can handle what you are doing!


IR Thunder gun

I honestly am not a fan of Nascar, but enjoy F1.


Do they have to be pneumatic? Have you thought about a M18 fuel 3/8"? I don't know how I survived without mine all these years!

If not, I agree with an IR. It's all I've ever owned...they are strong and proven.

For impact swivels, I like Gray Pneumatics. I have a 3/8's kit and really like them. They are holding up very well.


Well I do like cordless, just last week I bought the M12 FUEL 1/4 hex impact driver kit with 2 batteries and a charger for $150 and can't be any happier! This is my first cordless purchase since I was tired of unscrewing the 10+ bolts that Mercedes uses on their "diapers" by hand haha. But I feel like pneumatic impact guns last longer since they dont have a electric motor which to me would have a shorter life span (I used to work on electronics and radio control cars (nitro and electric) and have some experience with brush and brushless technology), and also I wouldn't have to deal with battery life, etc. I am ready to pull the trigger on the GP set.

Not sure if I understand how you outgrow something like this unless it has stopped working ?

I meant I need more power.

I have the IR 2125 QTimax. It's the same gun, with a 1/2" anvil. It's great. I think I found the best price on mine at amazon.

That model does have a grease *** on the hammer case, and if you use it regularly, it will need greased once every 6 months or so. You can tell when it needs greasing, as power output drops, and periodically the hammers just start sticking periodically. Greasing it, and using it normally for a few minutes to distribute the grease brings it back to like new performance. It takes a special grease from IR, and it comes in a kit with the grease gun.

For impact swivels, I recommend armstrong. They have pinless impact swivels. They are the same as matco and craftsman, and actually craftsman may be the cheapest, but warranty with sears is not something I would bet on long term. I quit wrecking swivels when I changed to these pinless ones.

I am aiming to purchase it from Amazon since I have prime (I have bought my M12 impact kit, GearWrench 120XP set, OTC master torx set, Williams screwdriver set, AST oil filter sockets, VIM stubby hex sockets, and many more) Does anyone know if the GP sockets are pinless? Armstrong seems a bit steep for the price and CMan is missing the 19.. I know im being picky that its missing one size but I hate mixed sets..

Stick with budget tools and spend the money saved on investments and your family.

I am, if using the "tool truck equivalent thread" and never setting foot in the tool trucks is not already budget?

I was going to say the same thing... My only concern would be ease of warranty of the Armstrongs... I never had to warrranty any of my Armstrong stuff, so I don't know.

It would be a tough call on the IR QTi or the new Proto gun...

I saw the proto gun, what makes it more expensive than IR?

I based the marking comment on the short 3/8" impacts I have, they are only marked with laser etching, and it's wearing off. I don't keep them in the case though. Can't tell, are these stamped with sizes also?

I dont mind for lazer marking, they'll always be lined in a tray so I will get used to/ learn where what size is or what size looks.

I have always felt that there's one company in Taiwan that makes all of the impact sockets for sunex, grey pneumatic, and others. The only thing that changes is the color of the box it comes in.
The only difference between sunex and grey pneumatic beside the red or blue box they come in, is that sunex in addition to the gold high vis marking, has the socket size stamped in small numbers too. You can't go wrong with sunex or GP and if you shop around, you can get them fairly cheap too.
If you're worried about warranty, pick up a NAPA set of impact swivels. Same as sunex, but warrantied locally at your napa store.
I don't think you can find a better 3/8 impact than the IR2115TIMAX. It's compact, well balanced, and powerful. You're not looking for a 3/8 impact to do the work of a 1/2 impact, you want power with access. I have never owned an aircat product but, my peers have tried them. They seem to work well initially but. then power dies off over time. shop around for the best deal.

Thanks for the NAPA suggestion, I will check them out.
 
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the IR air guns really have no competition at this time, unless price is an issue.

if they are good enough for NASCAR, they can handle what you are doing!

IR Thunder gun

Actually I disagree. I had the titanium ir and it was blown up within a year of heavy use in the ag diesel world. Spent the extra 50 bucks to upgrade to the titanium mac half inch. Been using it for 3 years. Just starting to get a little tired. I just ordered a new napa torque dominator so I can send in my mac for a tune up.
 

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Ingersoll Rand 2115TiMAX with Grey Pneumatic swivels and Wright sockets.
 

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Work at a foreign auto shop that has an average of 40 customers a day.I started 9 months ago with budget tools to get me going and now want to upgrade. Was given HF earthquake 3/8 and 1/2 in guns for free. Used them every day and outgrowing them. I want to upgrade the 3/8 first. The two I see battling are the NitroCat 1355-XL and Ingersoll Rand 2115TiMAX. I do NOT care about price and DO NOT GIVE A **** about being made in Taiwan/ tool truck brands. The Snap-On, Matco, and Mac come to my shop weekly but I do NOT want to purchase from them. I stay with the Tool Truck Equivalent thread here on GJ and have impressed/ made my co-workers jealous since they spent an average 20% more $$$ on the same tools I have obtained. So the main point of this thread was to help me choose NitroCat 1355-XL or Ingersoll Rand 2115TiMAX. To go along with which gun I choose, I need metric impact swivels. I see Gearwrench, GreyPneumatic, Sunex, Sk... The largest size I can stop at is 21mm.

Edit- Forgot to add, include why you choose the brand you recommend. Did you own the other brand in the past? What was the weak point?

Of the two a 2115Ti, I have one, it's been awesome (The 1/2 gun not so much though). I have a ton of NAPA impact swivels that work well for me.
 

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Laser etched inpacts WILL wear off the info quick. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. But Agree, no sense in buying the tool truck stuff unless you are broke and need credit or it's a common warranty item like Torx sockets and such. Invest and save your money and have a great life instead of making the tool company rich.
 

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Work at a foreign auto shop that has an average of 40 customers a day.I started 9 months ago with budget tools to get me going and now want to upgrade. Was given HF earthquake 3/8 and 1/2 in guns for free. Used them every day and outgrowing them. I want to upgrade the 3/8 first. The two I see battling are the NitroCat 1355-XL and Ingersoll Rand 2115TiMAX. I do NOT care about price and DO NOT GIVE A **** about being made in Taiwan/ tool truck brands. The Snap-On, Matco, and Mac come to my shop weekly but I do NOT want to purchase from them. I stay with the Tool Truck Equivalent thread here on GJ and have impressed/ made my co-workers jealous since they spent an average 20% more $$$ on the same tools I have obtained. So the main point of this thread was to help me choose NitroCat 1355-XL or Ingersoll Rand 2115TiMAX. To go along with which gun I choose, I need metric impact swivels. I see Gearwrench, GreyPneumatic, Sunex, Sk... The largest size I can stop at is 21mm.

Edit- Forgot to add, include why you choose the brand you recommend. Did you own the other brand in the past? What was the weak point?


I just bought the NitroCat 1355-XL. that little guy has some serious power, I went from HF 3/8 to the nitro cat. Now remember the Ir 3/8 impact only has 300lbs of torque. I was going to get that one but changed my mind after reading some reviews about lacks power vs the others.

I have the IR master impact set. I love it! Nice having every impact soket set I need in one case.

When you get looking for a 1/2 impact. take a look at the new IR2235timax.. I just sold my snap on MG725 for it. Can't wait for it to come in.
 

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Laser etched inpacts WILL wear off the info quick. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. But Agree, no sense in buying the tool truck stuff unless you are broke and need credit or it's a common warranty item like Torx sockets and such. Invest and save your money and have a great life instead of making the tool company rich.

Napa/Sunex are stamped and etched. I was curious one day and took a wire wheel to the etching... Still perfectly visible after the socket is down to bare steel. I guess the wire wheel must have been kidding itself that day :headscrat

I've only had them 4 or 5 years now though, I'll post an update in a few years if they do wear off.
 
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Napa/Sunex are stamped and etched. I was curious one day and took a wire wheel to the etching... Still perfectly visible after the socket is down to bare steel. I guess the wire wheel must have been kidding itself that day :headscrat

I've only had them 4 or 5 years now though, I'll post an update in a few years if they do wear off.

of all my sockets that are not stamped (usually gold or white "laser" etching on impacts) none of the common used sizes are readable. Let them rub the ground and bump into each other for a while..you will see.
 

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I was going to say the same thing... My only concern would be ease of warranty of the Armstrongs... I never had to warrranty any of my Armstrong stuff, so I don't know.

It would be a tough call on the IR QTi or the new Proto gun...

NAPA carries armstrong. This may be my local store, but they don't have the largest selection, and sometimes have to order it. They also don't have the best pricing, but two or three times a year have a big tool sale where many things are often 30%-40% off, which makes them competitive with online pricing during that week of the sale (again, that may just be something my local store does, I don't know). I hate to buy it online for the better price with the intent of warrantying it at the local store if necessary, so I keep my needs on a wish list and take that list in to the store at sale time.
 

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As said above the MG725 is hard to beat if you find a decent used one. If I were buying impact sockets, they would be SK.
 
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Okay so I am left with: if I were to go pinless- Armstrong or craftsman? Pinned- GP or gearwrench? And is the proto gun worth saving the extra $ for, or just go with the IR? Thanks for all the replies guys
 

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I say Proto, but also IR will be releasing a new 3/8" gun that should top all others... if you want to wait a bit. No release date yet though.

Don't forget Sunex for the pinned, get the cheapest of the 3.
 

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Don't cheap out on swivel sockets. This is coming from another pro mech. You are looking to step up torque wise with your new impact. You will tear up cheaper quality swivels all day long.

I personally still rock most of my Craftsmen/Westward impact sockets that I bought as an apprentice. But the only swivels that have held up have been Snap-on. I have tried Proto/Westward/Armstrong and a couple other I can't remember. And keep in mind when a swivel let's go, pieces fly. Always have your gloves/safety glasses on with them.
 

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Nitrocat would not be an upgrade to the Earthquake gun, so you should probably go with th IR of the 2 you listed. I would also recommend the Proto gun.

Swivels would be sunex or craftsman/armstrong/matco.

? Nitrocats are way stronger and way lighter than an Earthquake. Didn't understand this statement at all.
 

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Actually I disagree. I had the titanium ir and it was blown up within a year of heavy use in the ag diesel world. Spent the extra 50 bucks to upgrade to the titanium mac half inch. Been using it for 3 years. Just starting to get a little tired. I just ordered a new napa torque dominator so I can send in my mac for a tune up.

I disagree too. I know their weak spots,and I don't own them,myself because of that. Between the two the OP mentioned,I'd buy the Nitrocat without a doubt, and it's stronger than any 2115timax too!
 

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Don't cheap out on swivel sockets. This is coming from another pro mech. You are looking to step up torque wise with your new impact. You will tear up cheaper quality swivels all day long.

No it won't, my NAPA/Sunex hold up fine to my Ti MAX guns. My Matco swivels that everyone sings praises of, do not. I destroyed my 1/2 Matco swivel adapter in 20 minutes pulling a truck differential. They lock up if you hammer on them at a steep angle (which is the many reason for having an impact swivel). Once they lock up they're never the same and bind constantly.
 
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