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Bevis

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Getting ready to form my floor for Concrete...What size electric conduit should i use for the electric panel?? Waiting for someone to come by from the Electric Co (1.5 weeks already), to see if I can run 400 amp to the house. Stubbing up some 1" for Cable/Sat, Phone, several spares. Thanks in advance.
 
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flesburg

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I would use at least 3" plastic conduit, as it is water proof and you glue it together just like water drain pipe. If you need some elbows you can buy preformed curved pieces.

If you are unsure of your future needs, go even larger, say 4 inch. You may well want to pull more than your three or four power and ground leads. You may want some wire for 3 way switches. I had two switch wires pulled so I can turn on outside lights on the garage as well as a flood light or one interior light.
 

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I put in a 3" and 2" sweep when they poured the concrete. In the end, used the 2" for a 200 amp service from the meter about 50' away and will use the 3" for low voltage if I ever need it.
 

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Check your electric company's website.

Mine had .pdf files detailing the bury depth, Ø3" schedule 40 conduit requirements, etc. on line.

They agreed to set a new pole and provide 210 feet of wire (200A service) to the meter box for free. I only cut the trench and backfill.

Mike
 

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Put in at least two runs of whatever, yeah its double the cost but least then its easy to run anything else at a later date. Another idea I have learned here is to run several runs of twine, color code each end for pulling such cable later.
 

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PVC pipe is cheap compared to the labor to install it, even if you are doing it yourself. I would install a minimum of 3" schedule 40 PVC (Grey) for the electrical service, and a bunch of other 1 1/2" for other services that you might want in the future. I have found that it is better to have a separate tube for each of the other "services", such as telephone, cable, etc., since it is easier to pull just that one through the tube. I have found that if you try to add another wire at a later date to the tube, that sometimes they get tangled, and you wind up having to pull both out and start over again. If costs are a factor, you can use 1" for telephone, cable, etc., as long as the wire will fit through it without getting stuck in the pulling process. I would rather have 6 1" pipes than having 2 or 3 3" pipes for the ancillary services. I even pulled a 1" plastic water line through a 3" pipe. If it ever needs to be replaced, then I will just pull out the old and pull in the new. No digging up the yard. I put my well pipe in a 4" thin wall PVC pipe when I built the house, and I have learned that wasn't a good idea. The ground water gets into the thin wall pipe at the joints and follows the line into the basement. Good thing that I installed a French drain around the perimeter of the basement before the floor was poured. The water runs down the wall and into the drain.
I have also used a combination of plumbing and electrical PVC for non electrical or plumbing purposes, such as telephone. I used a tee with a clean out cap as a pull box in one line that has a few "twists" in it.
 
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Stuart in MN

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You're looking at getting a 400 amp service to the house, but what size circuit are you planning on running from there to the garage? I assume that's what you're asking about now.

There are any number of conduit sizing calculators out there, do a google search and you'll find them. For a 60 amp circuit to the garage, 3/4" or 1" will probably be adequate; for a 100 amp circuit to the garage, 1 1/4" or 1 1/2; For a 200 amp circuit to the garage, 2" is probably fine.
 
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Charles (in GA)

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Don't plan on running anything else in the conduit that will carry the feeder from the house to the garage. Use a large size, as Stuart noted, 2" would be OK, I really would go 2-1/2 for an easier pull. If you put more than three current carrying wires (the two hots and the neutral) in one conduit you have to derate the wires, everything that you pull thru that conduit. Going underground in conduit is still a wet location and requires wire so rated, and don't forget to put the conduit at least 24" deep all the way.

four wire, twisted USE-2 for direct burial is of course, wet location rated, if you used say 4/0-4/0-4/0-2/0 AL, you have according to the nec tables, if I read them right, 205 amps of capacity. Simply add one cable with wires for that three way light from the house to the garage someone mentioned and you take that 205 times .8 (80%) and you just derated that wire to 164 amps. Keep the main feeds separated, its better that way. See NEC 310.15(B)(2).

If you don't know what amperage you are going to run, use a large conduit and cover all of your bases, most panels will take up to 2-1/2" without a fight.

Charles
 
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Bevis

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From the house Meter/panel to where the garage panel is going is 50'. So 2.5" - 3" will be fine for the electric. Was planning on usingthe 1" Gray conduit for the phone, cable/sat, and any extra. or is it going to be better to just use one - two larger conduits??
 

Powerband

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Getting ready to form my floor for Concrete...What size electric conduit should i use for the electric panel?? Waiting for someone to come by from the Electric Co (1.5 weeks already), to see if I can run 400 amp to the house. Stubbing up some 1" for Cable/Sat, Phone, several spares. Thanks in advance.

I'd say 2" is minimum for Elec.

I have a 24 X 36 garage @ 60' from my house/panel. I ran 2" Elec., 1/2" water with 2" sleeves at slabs, 2" drain to perimiter drains for slop sink, and 4" schedule 40 for future development.

I'm only using 4" to pump some heat from the house entry.

If you can run a few 2-3" conduits and use "SWEEPS" not elbows. They are available at any elec supply or big box store.

PB
 

Flatmotor

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Don't plan on running anything else in the conduit that will carry the feeder from the house to the garage. Use a large size, as Stuart noted, 2" would be OK, I really would go 2-1/2 for an easier pull. If you put more than three current carrying wires (the two hots and the neutral) in one conduit you have to derate the wires, everything that you pull thru that conduit. Going underground in conduit is still a wet location and requires wire so rated, and don't forget to put the conduit at least 24" deep all the way.

four wire, twisted USE-2 for direct burial is of course, wet location rated, if you used say 4/0-4/0-4/0-2/0 AL, you have according to the nec tables, if I read them right, 205 amps of capacity. Simply add one cable with wires for that three way light from the house to the garage someone mentioned and you take that 205 times .8 (80%) and you just derated that wire to 164 amps. Keep the main feeds separated, its better that way. See NEC 310.15(B)(2).

If you don't know what amperage you are going to run, use a large conduit and cover all of your bases, most panels will take up to 2-1/2" without a fight.

Charles

Charles summed it up nicely. Unless it is one heck of a shop a 2" will be fine for everything up to 200A. I have my 3000 sq ft shop on a 100A feed and have had no problems what so ever with just me working out of it. Another trick of the trade is to use ridgid steel 90s with PVC female adapters to keep the pulling rope from burning in on long pulls. Also use a lot of wire pulling lubricant like Ideal yellow 77 or equivilant. Another thing to think about is a seperate Alarm conduit, Telephone conduit, CATV conduit and a conduit for outside lighting. (3-ways between the house and the shop). Hope this helps, Bill
 
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