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Hopefully by the end of this month I'll be moving to a new house in Delaware and the garage will be a big upgrade from my 20x35 to a 30x40 pole barn.

I currently have a symmetric lift that I dont know the brand, but it uses worm gears and its very beat. Ill be leaving that at my house.

For the new garage, the ceiling height is no factor, but i'm stuck between a few lifts.

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-OH-10X-EXTRA-WIDE-EXTRA-TALL

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-PV-10P

http://www.garageautoequipment.com/...urce=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=shoppingengine

http://www.bendpak.com/car-lifts/two-post-lifts/xpr-10a-168.aspx#

All are 10k.
It seems like the price breakdown is

Atlas OH-10X EXTRA WIDE EXTRA TALL - 2295$

Atlas PV-10P - 2395$

Challenger E10 - $2,750.00

BendPak XPR-10A-168 - $3160

Now I don't mind spending the extra for safety and longevity as long as thats what the extra money is getting me.

Anyone have any advice on these? I looked up rotary and mohawk, and rotary just doesn't impress me and mohawk is a pipe dream @ 7700$.

Im looking for something on the tall side as we build Mud trucks and soon to be mega trucks and crawlers

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Given the options, I would go bendpak. Challenger has a better one in the $4000 area that really impresses me, they call it versymmetric . I plan to get one when I have the means.
 

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Greg Smith has a location right in Delaware so that would be a major bonus, you can go in and put eyes on things. I bought a scissor from them and when I picked it up (in NH) I looked around a bit and there stuff all looked good to me. If somethings messed up in shipping or something it's very easy to go back to the store and get it straightened out.
 

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The Challenger E10 is Versymmetric, it lifts assymmetric or symmetric. I have a Challenger CL series and it's a good lift. I like being able to load it both asymmetrically or symmetrically.
 
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Given the options, I would go bendpak. Challenger has a better one in the $4000 area that really impresses me, they call it versymmetric . I plan to get one when I have the means.

http://www.challengerlifts.com/pdf/E10.pdf

The E10 i listed has that technology.

I like the bendpak, overall it looks like the best of the options.

I almost bought a house with an eagle lift, anyone know aobut them? I hear they are chinese ****.
 
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Greg Smith has a location right in Delaware so that would be a major bonus, you can go in and put eyes on things. I bought a scissor from them and when I picked it up (in NH) I looked around a bit and there stuff all looked good to me. If somethings messed up in shipping or something it's very easy to go back to the store and get it straightened out.

Yea, I was gonna go walk around the place the other day but got held up by my realtor. Im 10 mins away from GSE.
 
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Well the challenger, Atlas PV-10P, and bendpak are all dual sym/asym. The bendpak is the more expensive, challenger next and atlas is the cheapest.


Does anyone own an atlas or would you? GSE reminds me of horrible freight in the products they sell... and I would never buy a harbor freight lift.

And GSE is 10 mins away so I could just pick it up instead of shipping.
 

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I had a pretty similar list that I was looking at a couple months back and I ended up with the Bendpak XPR10-168. The 1/2" cable size and the basic construction/materials were just slightly better in my opinion. I also bought the Bendpak from Summit Racing and was able to put it on my Summit CC which gives me a yr interest free to pay for it.

I have a 4 post Direct from GSE and several other small items so I'm familiar and for the most part like their products, but when I looked through the specs, I would have had to bump up to the Atlas 12k to match the Bendpak closer. The problem with the 12k is the concrete spec (though I have 5"+ in my shop) and the fact the pads would have been too high to fit under my Mustang. I did end up buying another peg kit and frame cradles for the Bendpak from GSE.

It really comes down to what you think will work/want. I needed the extra width/height not only to lift the Jeeps and truck, but to load my camper as well:





Here's a thread where I put it up over Labor Day weekend:

http://www.midwestjeepthing.com/For...oject&forum_title=Projects&replies=13&M=1&S=1
 

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For the money the Challenger is tough to beat it's ETL/ALI certified same as the Bend Pak and Challenger stocks the parts for it in Kentucky, But it is a over seas built lift. However they are very well made and reliable. The Bend Pak is nice but after selling both I can't say it's better than the Challenger E10. The Atlas stuff can prove hard to find parts for.
 
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The Atlas stuff can prove hard to find parts for.

Yea I thought about that, but GSE would be very close and they "claim" to stock all the parts needed. Overall I feel the atlas would get the job done, but I havent heard/seen info anywhere saying they are horrible. I do not like how they are not certified however...

I have seen however several videos/pictures of failed lifts... and they have challenger printed on them. That kinda freaks me out.
 

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Yea, thats what im looking for something that can do both.. we build a lot of custom trucks so I move the arms all over the frames to weld brackets etc.
 

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I'm not sure where you've seen these images of lift failures to get a bad feeling for Challenger. The images/videos I've seen are of all different kinds of lifts and in most cases it's been because of improper use or failure of the floor concrete. Bendpak, Challenger and Rotary are the most used lifts in the auto repair industry so just out of shear volume they have a greater chance of being involved in some sort of failure.

Yea I thought about that, but GSE would be very close and they "claim" to stock all the parts needed. Overall I feel the atlas would get the job done, but I havent heard/seen info anywhere saying they are horrible. I do not like how they are not certified however...

I have seen however several videos/pictures of failed lifts... and they have challenger printed on them. That kinda freaks me out.
 

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Yea I thought about that, but GSE would be very close and they "claim" to stock all the parts needed. Overall I feel the atlas would get the job done, but I havent heard/seen info anywhere saying they are horrible. I do not like how they are not certified however...

I have seen however several videos/pictures of failed lifts... and they have challenger printed on them. That kinda freaks me out.

I sold lifts and shop equipment for 10 plus years. I wouldn't buy a none certified lift personally. They do cost more but the certification process is expensive and IMHO worth it. As for lift failures that can happen with any company and most of the time it's improper use. People think that a 10K lift will lift 10K no matter how it's loaded and thats not the case. A 10K lift is broken down to 4 arms with 2.5K capacity.
 

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I'm not sure where you've seen these images of lift failures to get a bad feeling for Challenger. The images/videos I've seen are of all different kinds of lifts and in most cases it's been because of improper use or failure of the floor concrete. Bendpak, Challenger and Rotary are the most used lifts in the auto repair industry so just out of shear volume they have a greater chance of being involved in some sort of failure.

I do not know where you have seen them. I have seen allot and not one video had a Challenger lift in them. I have been talking with the Challenger rep and the local Challenger dealer. If you look at the specs. Challenger is mode engineered than the Atlas and bendPak. Most if not all Dealers adn tire shops by me in Florida Have either Challenger or Rotory. There is a few threads on this Forum with allot of issue about bendpak. On there 4 post lifts they are the only company that has weight limits vs wheel base.

I vote Challenger all the way.:thumbup:
 
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I do not know where you have seen them. I have seen allot and not one video had a Challenger lift in them. I have been talking with the Challenger rep and the local Challenger dealer. If you look at the specs. Challenger is mode engineered than the Atlas and bendPak. Most if not all Dealers adn tire shops by me in Florida Have either Challenger or Rotory. There is a few threads on this Forum with allot of issue about bendpak. On there 4 post lifts they are the only company that has weight limits vs wheel base.

I vote Challenger all the way.:thumbup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DQlIWTWEWKw

Heres one, but the mounts in the floor pulled out, so i guess you cant blame challenger... more or less the idiot who installed it
 

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I saw that entire episode of that show. It was the Dumb A... That put it on the lift.

I would like to have a thread of all the information from the reps of these lift company's.
 

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Look at Danmar lifts, they the safety certs (unlike atlas) and if you factor in free shipping should be a little cheaper than atlas.
 

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Look at Danmar lifts, they the safety certs (unlike atlas) and if you factor in free shipping should be a little cheaper than atlas.

They don't have the extra tall option though. Same with the pricing on that Challenger lift in the link above, it's for the standard height lift, not the extra tall version (like the Bendpak link/price). Apples to apples.
 
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Prob gonna go with a challenger E10, I like the dual feature asym, sym ability. Some others have it, but I like the certification that the lift is safe.

I went to the DE Greg Smith. I was dressed up after a business meeting... I got treated like some white collar POS. I kind of want to go back in my normal shop clothing and see how I get treated.

Everything in that place was destroyed/leaking hydro fluid. Their lifts felt cheap and the people were clueless...

I asked about the testing on the lifts and he re-assured me that they have been in business for 30 years and never had any failures. I asked what load they are tested for and he said "well over 10k" So i asked for paperwork stating this and his response was "sir these lifts are only rated for 10k"... i felt like I was being treated like an idiot.

Oh and I guess from the guys assumption the ETL ALI cert is only for shops with insurance... a lift cant be sold in the USA without being safe... I walked out right after that.
 

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rotary spo 10 or 12 symmetric. with 3 stage arm option . by far best option, wide enough to back a dually through, yet narrow enough you don't need huge bays 3 stage arm configuration(front and back) allows you to back or pull in cars and lift them sym or asm style. my 12 lifts a 16 person people hauler bus down to my zero turn lawn mower with arm configuration. very expensive option of lift though
 

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Welcome to Delaware :rolleyes: I ended up getting the Atlas OH10X (Extra wide / Extra tall) The only lift I saw that I can pull a full size truck running 44 Boggers through ( Still kinda tight ) I also like the idea my trailer fits too, so I can pull trucks off it without unloading when broken.
 

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Given the options, I would go bendpak. Challenger has a better one in the $4000 area that really impresses me, they call it versymmetric . I plan to get one when I have the means.

Ditto. The CL10 is the 2 post I'd go for in a 10k. Pricey but during a long conversation with a lift installer one of the better 10k's out there.
 
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Yea i like the cl10 having the 3 stage arms at both ends instead of one.

Maybe I should just save my pennies and get the better so I dont regret it in the future
 

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I really like my Atlas PV-10, much heavier columns than the rotary 10k we have at work, also heavier than my buddies 10k lifts he has at his shop, one is an Ammco not sure of the others.

The equalizer cables and pullies on the Atlas are much bigger than all the other lifts I have looked at.

My PV-10 lifts my 8700#1 ton dually with no problem in symmetric config, and all my cars asymmetrically, the door guard pads are the best I've seen
 
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Im actually now looking at Derek Weaver lifts... Very Cheap Prince, ETL ALI Cert.


And they look like quality lifts... Kinda excited about finding these.


Anyone have any info on them? Glad to see the Cert on em
 
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1. Link To 10k W10DE

2000$
10k Lift

FEATURES

Super Symmetric Lift Arms – 3 stage front arms and 2 stage rear arms allow both asymmetric and symmetric lifting methods.
Direct Drive Hydraulic Cylinders
Adjustable Height Columns allow fit under a 12’ ceiling or an additional 6”.
Adjustable Column Width provides 6” adjustment for narrow service bays.
Rubber Door Guards to protect against door damage
Outer Hose Guards to protect hoses
2-Stage Double Telescoping Screw Pads can be used with or without rubber pads with over 6” of adjustment before adding height adapters.
Stackable Height Adapters in both 3” (2 Each) and 6” (2 Each) heights.
Single Point Lock Release to unlock both columns from one side.
Heavy Duty Arm Restraint System with oversized steel gears, pins and springs for trouble free operation.
Padded Overhead Shut Off Bar to protect vehicle
Self-lubricating UHMW Polyethylene Slide Blocks
Anchor Bolts Included
The W-10DE is an overhead beam style clear-floor design with a padded shut-off bar for overhead vehicle protection. The columns are positioned symmetric (straight) with Super-Symmteric arms that allow the most flexibility for loading either asymmetric or symmetric lifting points.

States Derek Weaver, “The fit and finish of the W-10DE is exceptional and may be the benchmark for future certified lifts. We were very impressed with our evaluation of this lift and know you will also agree.”

SPECIFICATIONS

Lifting Capacity: 10,000 LBS.
Drive Thru: 98.4"
Motor Rating: 2HP, 220V, 1 PH, 30A
Overall Floor Width: 136.5"
Overall Height 142 3/4" or 149"
Lifting Height: 76.4"
Low Pad Height: 4.5"
Column Steel Thickness - 6mm
Column Size - 12.6" x 8"
Width Between Columns: 110.2"
Shipping Weight: 1750-LBs.
Concrete Requirement: 4" Depth, 3000 PSI Rebar Reinforced
Base Plate: 16" X 22 3/4"
Lifting Time: 50 Seconds
Hydraulic Oil - AW32 or AW46


This is the best Lift I have seen at WOW price and its certified.
I like the height of the lift, and specs of the features and how its Asym and Sym. Only downfall i see is the 4.5" arms. Also love the padded beams.

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2. Same As lift #1 but 1000lbs more capacity (LINK)

$2,499
11k

FEATURES

Super Symmetric Lift Arms – 3 stage front arms and 2 stage rear arms allow both asymmetric and symmetric lifting methods.
Direct Drive Hydraulic Cylinders
Adjustable Height Columns allow fit under a 12’ ceiling or an additional 6”.
Adjustable Column Width provides 6” adjustment for narrow service bays.
Rubber Door Guards to protect against door damage
Outer Hose Guards to protect hoses
2-Stage Double Telescoping Screw Pads can be used with or without rubber pads with over 6” of adjustment before adding height adapters.
Stackable Height Adapters in both 3” (2 Each) and 6” (2 Each) heights.
Single Point Lock Release to unlock both columns from one side.
Heavy Duty Arm Restraint System with oversized steel gears, pins and springs for trouble free operation.
Padded Overhead Shut Off Bar to protect vehicle
Self-lubricating UHMW Polyethylene Slide Blocks
Anchor Bolts Included
The W-11DE is an overhead beam style clear-floor design with a padded shut-off bar for overhead vehicle protection. The columns are positioned symmetric (straight) with Super-Symmteric arms that allow the most flexibility for loading either asymmetric or symmetric lifting points.

States Derek Weaver, “The fit and finish of the W-11DE is exceptional and may be the benchmark for future certified lifts. We were very impressed with our evaluation of this lift and know you will also agree.”

SPECIFICATIONS

Lifting Capacity: 11,000 LBS.
Drive Thru: 96"
Motor Rating: 2HP, 220V, 1 PH, 30A
Overall Floor Width: 137.8"
Overall Height 142 3/4" or 149"
Lifting Height: 75.6"
Low Pad Height: 4.5"
Column Steel Thickness - 6mm
Column Size - 12.6" x 8"
Width Between Columns: 110.2"
Shipping Weight: 1950-LBS.
Concrete Requirement: 4" Depth, 3500 PSI Rebar Reinforced
Base Plate: 16" X 22 3/4"
Lifting Time: 50 Seconds
Hydraulic Oil - AW32 or AW46


Add 499 for 1000lbs more lift, Only thing I see diff is the dimensions are a little smaller for certain things like clearance. Also love the padded beams.

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#3 I-10 Forward Lift (LINK)

$2795
10k

Forward Manufacturing's I-10 is a proven commercial grade automotive lift with ALI/ETL Certification. The I-10 offers two Direct-Pull hydraulic cylinders, an exceptionally low pad height of 3 5/8" and the versatile Three Stage Spot-Rite Arm System. The New Three Stage Spot-Rite Arm System gives you an additional 5 3/4" of retraction on the short arm allowing your choice of either Asymmetric or Symmetric lifting making the I-10 lift perfect for both passenger car and truck applications.

Forward Lift also implemented an Adjustable Overhead which allows for two width settings. The standard setting of 131" or the wide setting of 137".

The Forward I-10 is manufactured by Rotary Lift in their state of the art ISO9000 certified manufacturing facility and is a popular choice among many of the largest car dealers in the USA. Backed by Forward's 1-Year Warranty, the Powder-Coated I-10 lift comes with all mounting hardware and three sets of truck extensions for maximum adaptability.

FEATURES

Powder Coat Finish
Direct Pull Cylinder Technology
Single Point Lock Release
Padded Overhead Shutoff
Automatic Arm Restraints
Truck Adapters (3 Sets)
Asymmetric / Symmetric Arm Design
Three Stage Short Arm
PRODUCT SPECS

Capacity: 10,000LBS
Overall Height: 143 1/8"
Minimum Ceiling Height: 12'
Minimum Pad Height: 3 5/8"
Maximum Lift Height: 77"
Overall Floor Width: 131" or 137"
Inside Column Width: 109 3/4" or 115 3/4"
Drive Thru Width: 99" or 105"
Adapter Heights: 1 1/2", 3", 6"
Voltage: 220V / Single Phase / 20A
Front Arm Length: 23" - 44 1/2"
Rear Arm Length: 38 7/8" - 58"
Speed of Rise: 50 Seconds
Hydraulic Oil - AW32 or AW46


I really like the 3 stage arms of the I-10 and the small 3 5/8 arm height. Only cons of this lift are the No padded Beams, and there is no telescoping lift pads. This lift has free shipping.

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Overall Im stuck. I like the first two, but it seems like the 3rd has better adaptability for various vehicles.

For 2k I can get the lift I started out wanting. But, the shipping of the first two is 255$. I might be able to talk them into eating that, but for lift 2 with shipping is the same price as lift 3.

I wonder if the arm designs between lifts 1&2 Vs. 3 is really that diff. If its not anything amazingly different, I might just go with lift #1.

Let me know what yall think.
 

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You have me looking at lifts again ><...

If you want to do any trailer work or a wide truck on boggers at any time... arent you going to want over 102" of drive thru width? (I think I would... I have similar interests)
 
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The trailer we have right now is 8Ft wide on the deck. Lift 2 puts this as a Good luck fitting this trailer in, as lift 1 has SOME wiggle room and lift 3 allows for a good bit of space.

I dont think a truck on boggers is 8ft wide anywhere.

Edit: our 78 on tons with 44x19 Boggers on it is like 7'2" wide
 

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Quick Math...

2.5" BS 12" wheels on 39.5x18 boggers (or 44x19.5... whatever) +69.5" WMS D60= 25+69.5=

94.5" Overall Width (so, you're right, cept in the case of 54" Boggers, but really...)

Of course, I have a buddy with 2.5 ton rocks under his truck with the hubs flipped out, but that gets ridiculous quick...

I'm looking at the same decisions you're making... plus I have an angled approach to my lift location, so that makes the width even more of a concern for me.
 
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Quick Math...

2.5" BS 12" wheels on 39.5x18 boggers (or 44x19.5... whatever) +69.5" WMS D60= 25+69.5=

94.5" Overall Width (so, you're right, cept in the case of 54" Boggers, but really...)

Of course, I have a buddy with 2.5 ton rocks under his truck with the hubs flipped out, but that gets ridiculous quick...

I'm looking at the same decisions you're making... plus I have an angled approach to my lift location, so that makes the width even more of a concern for me.


yea I mean Maybe in the future I wanna put dueces under something, but like you said extreme case. At that point if im working on truck like that I will 90% of the time have rollers laying around.. But then again I do have a 12ft door on my garage so it would fit... But if your on Dueces, why do you need a lift? walk under the damn thing haha. Unless its a buggy.

Edit: Does your friend have a lift that fits his 2.5ton axle truck? Just curious.
 

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agreed... I was just thinking "I'm buying a lift. Why limit myself?"

... but that's how our trucks end up with rockwells under them too! ><
 
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agreed... I was just thinking "I'm buying a lift. Why limit myself?"

... but that's how our trucks end up with rockwells under them too! ><

truely they are easier to setup than tons. Including when you go coils like we did. coils and 4 links on a rockwell would have been a hell of a lot easier.
 

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i see alot of bend pak lifts on shops that are on tv. i think you have narrowed it down to two. hopefully i will be in the same boat as you next year
 

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A question I have on the I-10 Forward lift...

If you set it on the max width setting... can it still pickup a mustang? (are the arms long enough) I think that's the smallest vehicle I would put on the lift.

It would **** to install it for max with and then not be able to lift a narrower car. ><
 
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A question I have on the I-10 Forward lift...

If you set it on the max width setting... can it still pickup a mustang? (are the arms long enough) I think that's the smallest vehicle I would put on the lift.

It would **** to install it for max with and then not be able to lift a narrower car. ><

It says the max arm reach i believe. And they are 3 way adjustable length so im sure youd have no problems.
 
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