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scg

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I have a MAC MPR7PA 1/4" ratchet and the friction ball is stuck/frozen and I can't put a socket on it. So I called Mac and the ratchet is discontinued and no repair kit is available. Any one know how to get these un frozen? Thanks.
 
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reptilezs

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i think they owe you a new ratchet? only thing i can think of is to oil it and use a punch to knock it around. depends if the spring behind the ball is broken or not
 

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Soak the ball with some PB Blaster or Kroil for at least a couple days. Use a smooth jaw vise or large c clamp to get the ball to move a bit in the bore. Rinse and repeat until the ball moves freely.
 

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Find something that you CA leave it sumberged in transmission fluid for a few hours. Then love a socket onto it. Then if it don't free off, use players to remove the socket.
 
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Thanks. I will try those ideas as it is part of a three piece set. Mac said they would give me a new ratchet but it wouldn't match the 3/8 or 1/2.
 

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I have a MAC MPR7PA 1/4" ratchet and the friction ball is stuck/frozen and I can't put a socket on it. So I called Mac and the ratchet is discontinued and no repair kit is available. Any one know how to get these un frozen? Thanks.

This is my biggest complaint w/ Mac tools.....Its either discontinued or no parts.:(
 

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Soak in ATF for a few days.
Try and work ball. (insert **** joke here) LOLZ

Return to ATF and repeat 7 days later.

If a no-go try to move ball with pliers.

Then reasoak in ATF.

Repeat.

I did many ratchets and breaker bars over just this year that had the same problem due to being kept over time in a very humid environment or an outside toolbox or in an otside toolshed.

Not hard to fix.

Just patience.
And ATF.

:)
 
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1. I would start with wire brushing any crud off the ball if there is any.
2.Then apply a small drop of oil to the ball.
3. Clamp the drive square in a vise as someone above said.
4. Keep repeating oil and clamping until you can press the ball with your finger or get a socket on it. (Be sure to keep dirt out while doing so).

There should be no reason to pre- soak the ratchet unless it's super rusted up.
If the ball stays collapsed inside the drive square then you know the spring was shot to begin with.

I don't know that your ratchet is rusted but from experience smaller tools are harder to revive if they are in bad shape.
 

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So I called Mac and the ratchet is discontinued and no repair kit is available.

The current MR6PA looks identical except for the MAC font style on the ratchet head. It looks like they went back the the traditional font style.
 

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I bought a couple 3/8th extensions at the pawn shop and both had the detent ball frozen solid. A couple days soak in 50/50 atf and acetone freed them up. Did need a couple taps with a nail set and small hammer.

Paco
 

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1. I would start with wire brushing any crud off the ball if there is any.
2.Then apply a small drop of oil to the ball.
3. Clamp the drive square in a vise as someone above said.
4. Keep repeating oil and clamping until you can press the ball with your finger or get a socket on it. (Be sure to keep dirt out while doing so).

There should be no reason to pre- soak the ratchet unless it's super rusted up.
If the ball stays collapsed inside the drive square then you know the spring was shot to begin with.

I don't know that your ratchet is rusted but from experience smaller tools are harder to revive if they are in bad shape.

I'm just gonna guess you've never done the ATF soak?

For ball detents, moisture gets into and behind the detent and seizes it, teh ATF , with it's low viscosity as well as detergents can get into the back side of the ball the same way the moisture did. Soak also means lack of oxygen and 360 degree permeation. Thus why so simple yet affective.

I just did a Husky USA 1/4" ratchet I borught back to life with the ATF soak. Worked great but took time and patience.

It's not so much mega-rust, but that the oxidation takes place on vital componenets within the ratchet that render it unuseable or useable in only one direction.

If any bits are hanging up, I do the ATF soak and get things working, then tear the ratchet down and clean, asess and lube and reassemble.

For ball detents heat via a propane torch can also help before trying to push in once teh traditional penetrant method is tried. The heat can often break the metal oxidation bond, just like with fasteners.

Use what ya want. Try what ya want.
I just know what works for me.

And really--that all that matters--to me. LOLZ.
 

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Thanks! I had no idea those even existed. Got any idea which one fits 3/8. I have a discontinued Challenger extension that could use one.

Not of the top of my head, sorry, havent had to order them for a bit. Should be able to just measure the opening where the oem one was and size one out, although i rememver i had to ream the hole on a fleet proto out a tiny bit to compensate for the different sleeve on the new plunger.
 
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I wouldn't beat on it or squeeze it too hard, or pick at it much, as once the spring is damaged, you're toast. The soaking treatment in your weapon of choice chemical is your best shot. Good luck,
 

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I'm just gonna guess you've never done the ATF soak?

For ball detents, moisture gets into and behind the detent and seizes it, teh ATF , with it's low viscosity as well as detergents can get into the back side of the ball the same way the moisture did. Soak also means lack of oxygen and 360 degree permeation. Thus why so simple yet affective.

I just did a Husky USA 1/4" ratchet I borught back to life with the ATF soak. Worked great but took time and patience.

It's not so much mega-rust, but that the oxidation takes place on vital componenets within the ratchet that render it unuseable or useable in only one direction.

If any bits are hanging up, I do the ATF soak and get things working, then tear the ratchet down and clean, asess and lube and reassemble.

For ball detents heat via a propane torch can also help before trying to push in once teh traditional penetrant method is tried. The heat can often break the metal oxidation bond, just like with fasteners.

Use what ya want. Try what ya want.
I just know what works for me.

And really--that all that matters--to me. LOLZ.

I have never done the ATF soak for a ratchet.

My way of getting a detent ball going is for the less patient, LOL.

If some oil and a Wilton vise can't move the ball then I may opt for the soak next time I try.
 
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