Sub Panel hook up Will I shock myself

[Skindoo]

Hooking a sub panel up in garage. Running # 6 wire from house panel with double amp 60. The circles are where the red power, black power, white neutral and green ground should be connected, I think. Please confirm.

I don't think I need a ground rod to connect to in Ontario.

The neutral bar where I will connect the white wire is also grounded to the panel box itself. Is there risk of shock if I touch the panel box itself?

Thanks

 

[CADPoint]

Hooking a sub panel up in garage. Running # 6 wire from house panel with double amp 60. The circles are where the red power, black power, white neutral and green ground should be connected, I think. Please confirm.

I don't think I need a ground rod to connect to in Ontario.

The neutral bar where I will connect the white wire is also grounded to the panel box itself. Is there risk of shock if I touch the panel box itself?

Thanks

Sorry, NO the white neutral should not be connected to the green ground, it's a sub panel. They are only brought together once at the main service panel!

The neutral bar is isolated by the black risers that hold it off the panel, it's electrically isolated from the panel and should remain that way!.Do not put the green screw through either neutral bars.
This is some time supplied, don't use it, on the neutral bar!

The ground bar, (green screws) is physically touching the can, this is correct!

The green bar with your correct green (is non caring conductor) circuit.
You will need a lug with forks to insert into the green grounding bar.

Work safe, never try working on a panel with live electricity!!!!!

Never touch any two of anything at one time!

 

[GYPSY400]

Ill take a picture of my panel tomorrow.. I have the main feed roughed in and connected. . Im in Ontario too and no, you dont need a ground rod.. there will be a green ground wire on your main panel that hooks to either your water main or natural gas line.. which basically does the same thing as a dedicated grounding rod.

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[CoopVA]

I'd put a ground rod in for a garage sub-panel. Wether it's required or not.

 

[Mustang51js]

Everything looks good except like said above you have to take the green screw out that is bonding the ground to the neutral bar, the green screw under the white circle you made. And there is no reason that wire should be hot while your hooking it up.

 

[KCarGuy]

To Be Honest...If you are asking these Very Basic Electrical questions...
Then I would stay away from this and Hire an Electrican.

Watch what he does, ask alot of questions and learn.

Next time, you will have more of an understanding and less change of getting hurt or worse, distroying your property.

Good Luck

 

[CoopVA]

To Be Honest...If you are asking these Very Basic Electrical questions...
Then I would stay away from this and Hire an Electrican.

Watch what he does, ask alot of questions and learn.

Next time, you will have more of an understanding and less change of getting hurt or worse, distroying your property.

Good Luck

+1

I was thinking that, but didn't want to be the first to say it...

 

[Charles (in GA)]

On the right bar, near the top is a green screw by itself. It should be removed along with the jumper to the bar that it retains. This will isolate the bars from the panel.

 

[mrjaw14]

If it's a sub-panel, it's going to be fed with a breaker in the main box. Have that turned off, or better yet not conencted yet when doing the sub-panel. Two hot's are self explanatory, especially if you're using Cu wire and not AL. If AL is used for the feeder, you have to rough it up a bit with some sand paper to make sure there's not corrosion on the wires, then apply this silver impregnated paste to help improve contact.

on a Sub-panel the ground and neutral are separated. If you combine them, you risk voltage on your ground wires if the path of least resistance is the gnd wire vs the neutral. This can electrify parts of appliances or tools that don't normally have voltage on them causing a safety hazard. They should only be combined at the main panel so that there is no alternate path.

Also, even if a ground rod isn't called for by code, I would still add at least one. The reason is voltage can be induced in wire when something like a nearby lightning bolt produces a EMI field within range of your wiring. If you don't ground both panels, that induced voltage can be translated to your equipment. A lot of lightning damage is actually caused by induced voltage vs direct strikes to wiring. Let me be clear, this won't stop damage to electronics, this is designed to stop fire-causing amounts of voltage to your branch circuits. I have also heard of accidents taking down poles and abnormally high amounts of voltage getting sent to homes. Homes with poor ground systems were severely affected. Ground rods are cheap.

 

[PRH44]

Did you install a 4 wire cable? 6/3 with ground?

 

[Speedy Petey]

i'd put a ground rod in for a garage sub-panel. wether it's required or not.

why??

 

[tshetter]

I'd put a ground rod in for a garage sub-panel. Wether it's required or not.

why??

There is no benefit to doing so and can actually be bad.

 

[CoopVA]

There is no benefit to doing so and can actually be bad.

That only applies if you also have a DC (solar...) system installed along with your AC...

If it's a detached garage, you better have a ground rod.

Read NEC 250-32...

 

[mrjaw14]

See my post above for reasons for a ground rod...

 

[Slednut]

Just installed this sub panel, I'm NOT an electrician. I wish it looked neater, I just like doing things myself. It did pass inspection with no problems.

I hope it helps, like said if you don't know what you're doing hire an electrician. I do work with 48 volt systems at work daily.

Electricians, please be gentle.

 

[CoopVA]

Not bad at all... Seen worse.

 

[e-tek]

To Be Honest...If you are asking these Very Basic Electrical questions...
Then I would stay away from this and Hire an Electrican.

Watch what he does, ask alot of questions and learn.

Next time, you will have more of an understanding and less change of getting hurt or worse, distroying your property.

Good Luck

As usual - and with all due respect - I'll be the FIRST to say it -
This is a DIY forum, not a "watch someone else do it" forum
Everyone's safety is their OWN responsibility
If you don't want to help the OP, you can choose not to
Safety Officers meet every sixth Friday of the month, elsewhere

 

[Mustang51js]

As usual - and with all due respect - I'll be the FIRST to say it -
This is a DIY forum, not a "watch someone else do it" forum
Everyone's safety is their OWN responsibility
If you don't want to help the OP, you can choose not to
Safety Officers meet every sixth Friday of the month, elsewhere

It may be a DIY forum but I'm sure no one wants to see someone set their house on fire or kill someone. Doing electric is not a hobby and one mistake can be deadly. So I rather someone say something than be like oh well. If someone posted on here they want to use a pvc pipe for a jack stand you wouldn't want to say something to give them a heads up or just say ahh it's his responsibility since it's a DIY forum.

 

[Skindoo]

Hello Slednut: I see by the panel pic the ground on the neutral bar (right side) is connected (grounded) to the panel. An earlier post by Charles in GA indicates it should be disconnected. Should the ground in the subpanel from the neutral bar be disconnected?

Which is it and why? I am confused by conflicting advise or am I seeing it incorrectly.

Thanks

 

[Slednut]

Hello Slednut: I see by the panel pic the ground on the neutral bar (right side) is connected (grounded) to the panel. An earlier post by Charles in GA indicates it should be disconnected. Should the ground in the subpanel from the neutral bar be disconnected?

Which is it and why? I am confused by conflicting advise or am I seeing it incorrectly.

Thanks

If you look close it is not grounded to the panel.

 

[m.b.0331]

It may be a DIY forum but I'm sure no one wants to see someone set their house on fire or kill someone. Doing electric is not a hobby and one mistake can be deadly. So I rather someone say something than be like oh well. If someone posted on here they want to use a pvc pipe for a jack stand you wouldn't want to say something to give them a heads up or just say ahh it's his responsibility since it's a DIY forum.

Apparently, safety advice is not welcome in the DIY world. I know if I was going to do something I didn't have the ability or knowledge to do, I would want someone to man up and tell me so, so I don't kill myself or destroy my property or lose tons of money trying to get something fixed.

 

[Mustang51js]

Yeah, I am an electrician and a fire fighter so I see what happens when things aren't done right, all it takes is a loose screw in an outlet to burn your house down.

 

[laser3kw]

Yeah, I am an electrician and a fire fighter so I see what happens when things aren't done right, all it takes is a loose screw in an outlet to burn your house down.

in Chicago, all it takes is a friend of a friend and an air tight alibi.

 

[CoopVA]

in Chicago, all it takes is a friend of a friend and an air tight alibi.

That's no lie...

 

[Skindoo]

OK I see its disconnected. Sorry about that.