Sun Condenser/Coil Tester - CCT-10

[goodfellow]

Found this little tester on e-bay and paid WAY too much for it, but what the heck.

However, this model represents one of the "Holy Grails" in Sun testers. There weren't that many sold and if you can find one, the small CRT is usually crapped out, or the accessories are lost. You just can't find this unit as a complete set very often.

When it arrived, the OHM/MF wasn't working so I dissassembled it and quickly found out that someone had tried to fix the DV meter before and totally bent the movement. I had to unsolder the scale and realign the movement.

Talk about a pain. My hands aren't that steady anymore and maneuvering a soldering iron around in such a small space and on such small gauge wire is a lesson in frustration. Anyway, with that problem solved, and after a good cleanup and a few new leads, this one's a "keeper".

Enjoy!!

Meter finally responds after major surgery

--- so does the CRT

All "buttoned up" and ready to go --

All the accessories were tested and work as well --

 

[goodfellow]

Bump!! I've looked at the usual Internet vendors for an OEM manual. Yesterday I also called a few dealers that trade in older industrial manuals. No one has anything remotely associated with this small tester. Anyone have a clue where to get a manual (a copy even) for this old tester? Snap-on didn't even know that Sun had made this model.

Thanks --

 

[Uncle Buck]

I cannot help, but that thing is really cool. I would not have a clue how to use that thing without some instructions. I really like that green screen thingy though!

(Well, not entirely true, I do understand the OHM side, but I know nothing about that cool green screen)

Roughly when would that thing have been made? Any idea?

 

[goodfellow]

Roughly when would that thing have been made? Any idea?

Early to -mid 1960's was their peak production Buck, but I believe they sold these things way into the 1970's.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Early to -mid 1960's was their peak production Buck, but I believe they sold these things way into the 1970's.

What does the green screen tell the user?

 

[goodfellow]

It shows how well the field collapses inside the coil primary in order to initiate the spark, and how well the condenser regulates the speed at which the field collapses in order to get more energy into the secondary. If the field collapsed too quickly (bad condenser) you'd get arcing and eventually pitted points.

 

[Uncle Buck]

It shows how well the field collapses inside the coil primary in order to initiate the spark, and how well the condenser regulates the speed at which the field collapses in order to get more energy into the secondary. If the field collapsed too quickly (bad condenser) you'd get arcing and eventually pitted points.

That is the part I would not know how to interpret. I understand what you explained, it is just that I would not be able to make a visual interpretation of what things should look right or wrong on that little screen.

 

[goodfellow]

The tester measures in KV and comes with a coil lead. It's basically providing an inline connection for the coil and distributor cap. You could bench test, or test on the vehicle. The CRT shows the output of the coil at field collapse. It has a switch for selecting between traditional and high output coils.

Sun published specific year/make/model coil specs in their tune up charts and guides so that the tech could compare readings to a baseline of "good/bad" readings.

The problem is that many of the procedures require a very precise step-by-step diagnosis and setup. That's why the manual is so critical.

 

[billymade]

goodfellow, Sun was bought out by Snapon; contact their tech support line for testing equipment! We have had several members here have had luck with Snapon emailing them the manuals for their vintage Sun/Snapon testing equipment! Worth a try! Contact them here: http://buy1.snapon.com/snapon-store/customer.asp

Snap-on Equipment Service:
For on-site equipment service, parts, technical support for Snap-on, Sun, John Bean
USA: 800-225-5786
Canada: 800-225-5786

or email their tech support here: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/customercommunication.asp

Another Snapon support site dedicated to their equipment; with downloadable manuals etc. :
http://www.snaponequipment.com/CustomerTechSupport/default.asp

 

[goodfellow]

Thanks Billy -- I called them and they were very nice. They even called back within a few hours, but their records and libraries don't go back far enough for this equipment.

In fact it was pretty amusing when they told me that they didn't even remember having this model in their inventory.

Guess it wasn't a big seller

 

[mark swinney]

I don't know if anyone is still checking this but I have a perfect, working CCT-10 with both of the manuals, will see if I can upload them here somewhere.

 

[dujacojoh]

Mark, I need manuals for the cct10, where did you post it? or how can I get a copy from you?

 

[Rmccoy]

I have two of these and need manual. I also have a ss-50 scope with no manual. I have a total of 11 sun testers, need on line manual source.
Bob 925-518-5909

 

[Rmccoy]

Did you have any luck downloading manual?
I need one bob 925-518-5909

 

[Capt Chrysler]

I never saw one as a stand alone unit. But we did have them on the old Sun Scope went I went to Tech School. Used to charge up condensors and leave them laying around. You learned real fast not to look with your hands!


Capt. Chrysler

 

[Keith49vj3]

A manual for the CCT-10 was posted online at this site http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343433&showall=1

Keith

 

[Keith49vj3]

Most Sun manuals are available from Jaidinger http://www.jaidingerswitches.com/ or Bob Masters at http://www.distributortester.com/ . In additional to the user manuals they both will have the service manuals as well. The service manuals have the schematics, parts list and the info needed to repair the equipment.
Keith

 

[flat8]

I've located a Sun CCT-10 Condenser/Coil tester and need to find the two test leads to see if this unit is operational. Any help out there?-------Mark

 

[Flatintoone]

Try this guy:

http://madison.craigslist.org/tls/2797810829.html

 

[fairlaneman]

Hi everyone, new to the forum, I have come across a CCT-10 Sun coil tester, and in the process of changing out the capacitors in it. The CRT was a little dim so hoping this will help. The one I have does not have the volt divider assy. so I'm sure it won't check a coil without it. I have talked to Robert Masters, he doesn't have any, just wondering if anyone here has an extra. OR... if they know how to build one. I am assuming it is a capacitor of sorts, I know on the inductive pickup type they do use a capacitor. If so has anyone tried to build one or happen to know the value of capacitor? Any help appreciated. Thanks Dale.

 

[Steinmetz]

Hi everyone, new to the forum, I have come across a CCT-10 Sun coil tester, and in the process of changing out the capacitors in it. The CRT was a little dim so hoping this will help. The one I have does not have the volt divider assy. so I'm sure it won't check a coil without it. I have talked to Robert Masters, he doesn't have any, just wondering if anyone here has an extra. OR... if they know how to build one. I am assuming it is a capacitor of sorts, I know on the inductive pickup type they do use a capacitor. If so has anyone tried to build one or happen to know the value of capacitor? Any help appreciated. Thanks Dale.

A voltage divider is generally comprised of a network of resistors. In the present case, I suspect that the network is used to read the coil output and provide a scaled output to the CRT through an amplifier configured to provide a vertical trace. The device therefore displays the coil output voltage scale (in kV) along the vertical axis.

I don't really see much value in this device, except to a collector (which possibly explains why they didn't sell very many). There were other ways to test coils, and condensers were usually replaced anyway (BTW, they seldom leaked).

 

[george czarnecki]

Hi there I am 76 years old and have a certified aircraft engine repair station in omaha for piston engines was a certified chevy mechanic in 69 and used sun tune up equipment we repair and overhaul a lot of magneto's and as times change mags don't we still use coil and condenser(capacitor) testers and our graham lee 51 is old and shop worn. Just purchased a sun CC-10 that seems to work. Need the coil pickup lead or info on how to make one , was the coil pickup the same for all sun scopes ? as a get away from the air business I am the crew chief on an unlimited hydroplane with an Allison 1710 cubic inch V12and do the Rolls-Royce V12s also these run under the APBA Vintage class of hydro's cant wait to get on the water again,.hope that those working on vintage projects don't give up and have fun completing them

 

[Walt-1A]

Hello, I have a Sun Model 60. It is similar to the CCT-10 except it is reconfigured to fit in a Sun model 505 cabinet. I am missing the power transformers, the two vacuum tubes and like Mr. Fairlaneman above, pickup leads. Can anyone advise a source of technical details for these items? Thanks, Walt