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BFBOB

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Reminds me of a man electrocuted at a construction site a few years ago in St. Louis. There was a great uproar about negligent construction companies leaving live wires lying around to kill innocents - ignoring that he had climbed a locked gate to get in in the first place. On further investigation, it turned out he was engaged in copper thievery. Uproar kinda petered out.
 

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One less crackhead. Unfortunately there are three waiting to take his place.
It's a shame how society makes people smoke crack and commit crimes. :rolleyes: Just ask them, they'll tell you how it's not their fault.


This caused a path to ground for the electricity and resulted in the man's electrocution from a charge of 240 volts, an industrial voltage.
This is where wrong information and urban myths are perpetuated.
A) The whole "path to ground" is wrong.
B) If he was cutting only one wire HOW could it be 240V. It was 120V.

Trivial I know to lay people, but wrong nonetheless.
 

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I suggest adding a warning to the Crackhead's Handbook. "Always call the utility company first before you work on main service lines."
 

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One less crackhead. Unfortunately there are three waiting to take his place.
It's a shame how society makes people smoke crack and commit crimes. :rolleyes: Just ask them, they'll tell you how it's not their fault.


This is where wrong information and urban myths are perpetuated.
A) The whole "path to ground" is wrong.
B) If he was cutting only one wire HOW could it be 240V. It was 120V.

Trivial I know to lay people, but wrong nonetheless.

The news ALWAYS gets EVERYTHING wrong about anything to do with electricity. Makes you wonder about all the facts that they fudge on things we're not as well versed in.
 

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The news ALWAYS gets EVERYTHING wrong about anything to do with electricity. Makes you wonder about all the facts that they fudge on things we're not as well versed in.

What they don't know, they tend to make up. Because most of the viewing public doesn't know either.

And I'd think it was probably three phase anyway. ?
 

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Crackheads roasting.... on an open wire...
Jack Frost nipping at your nose...
 

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The news ALWAYS gets EVERYTHING wrong about anything to do with electricity. Makes you wonder about all the facts that they fudge on things we're not as well versed in.

Yeah I dont buy it. To get "burned" that bad Id suspect youd have to be at bare minimum 1000 volts.
 
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120v will cause burns if you hang on long enough I.E. your heart stopping and falling into the wires. Current going through your body will probably take max time for the primary fuse to blow if you're hung up on the secondary side if it even made enough current to blow at all.

It's usually the fire or police department who tells the news how and why it happened. They just use words that they've heard from working with the POCO on detail jobs and emergencies. They only know 4 or 5 words. Transformer, volts, surge, current.. Nobody knows whether they're right or making stuff up except for people who work with electricity for a living. I've had a good handful of jobs that I was on that made the news and everything was wrong about what they reported. Most POCO employees are not allowed to give interviews and the company spokespeople don't know what happened so they don't talk either.

By the time an investigation is done, everybody has lost interest besides family members and nobody gets to know what actually happened.
 

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This caused a path to ground for the electricity and resulted in the man's electrocution from a charge of 240 volts, an industrial voltage.
This is where wrong information and urban myths are perpetuated.
A) The whole "path to ground" is wrong.
B) If he was cutting only one wire HOW could it be 240V. It was 120V.

Trivial I know to lay people, but wrong nonetheless.

Article says it was Tire Shop, so they probably had 3 phase for compressors, etc. and therefore were at least 208Y or 230delta or 460delta. The latter two would produce a voltage in excess of 200v phase to ground. Easily enough to fry someone without tripping breakers.
 

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I live in Iowa and last month Darwin took down another of these idiots. Some ***** and his buddy climbed an electrical pole to try to take out a transformer for it's copper....Last I heard he was going to live, but both arms needed to be amputated....Too bad he didn't fall to his death. I have NO sympathy for thieves. I rank them just barely below murderers.
 

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Article says it was Tire Shop, so they probably had 3 phase for compressors, etc. and therefore were at least 208Y or 230delta or 460delta. The latter two would produce a voltage in excess of 200v phase to ground. Easily enough to fry someone without tripping breakers.

Most likely phase to ground higher than 200 would be 277. There's probably only a handful of people that are ever going to know. If a criminal gets hurt, nobody cares and the investigation goes nowhere. If a regular person/worker gets hurt, the investigation gets ******* and/or buried forever. Very rare that you actually get first hand reports from someone who knows what they're talking about.
 
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The news ALWAYS gets EVERYTHING wrong about anything to do with electricity. Makes you wonder about all the facts that they fudge on things we're not as well versed in.

this happens anytime professionals or experts read news media reports relevant to their area of expertise.

media are paid liars. assume everything you read or hear in the news is either incorrect or a lie and you'll be better off than imagining it's correct.
 

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The news ALWAYS gets EVERYTHING wrong about anything to do with electricity. Makes you wonder about all the facts that they fudge on things we're not as well versed in.

As an IT Professional, I get a good laugh at every movie or TV show where they try to dive in to the technicals of computers. It's really disgracing. Hire a nerd for an hour of consulting time people! Oh my gosh!
 

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that should be the outcome of every copper theft

Well, no. There's no death penalty for theft.
But, every copper thief should be rewarded with severe enough injuries to guarantee his capture and conviction, and left with some little permanent injury to remind him not to do that any more.
 

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"and he cut into the wire, which contained aluminum."

Haha, if that's true, would't that be a kick in the nuts! What's the scrap rate these days for aluminum service wire???
 

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I wonder what will happen to the screwdriver and bolt cutters? Go to auction? I wonder if it was a Snap On screwdriver.
 

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I live in Iowa and last month Darwin took down another of these idiots. Some ***** and his buddy climbed an electrical pole to try to take out a transformer for it's copper....Last I heard he was going to live, but both arms needed to be amputated....Too bad he didn't fall to his death. I have NO sympathy for thieves. I rank them just barely below murderers.

The sad part is that the turd will cost taxpayers millions for the rest of his miserable "no arm" life -- prison time, healthcare, then welfare/section 8/food stamps the rest of his life.

What kind of ***** climbs an electrical tower to nick a transformer?
 

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I can't tell you how many times my wife and I were almost electrocuted during copper heists. All while strung out or coked up. Oh, the times we had.
 
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