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Idk if I'm late to the party but I went to Lowe's to buy a framing square and saw that all Swanson stuff is now made in China. Even Walmarts brand framing squares are made in the USA and are the same price if not a few cents cheaper. It may not be a big deal to everyone but it annoyed me.

Carry on!
 
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:( That's really depressing. I stuck with Swanson speed squares because of the quality and COO. They made a really good box beam level too.
 

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Private Equity strikes again...or maybe not. An interesting clip from their website..."Today, Swanson® Tool Company continues to proudly manufacture and distribute the Swanson Speed® Square and other fine carpentry tools from its headquarters in Frankfort, Illinois".
 
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Again betrayed by those who want to raise there stocks up 25 cents to make millions but slowly destroy America from within. We can't service job to victory in the next big war to come.
 

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Question - what framing square did you see in Walmart that was USA made? And are we talking about a framing square or a speed square?
 
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It was either Hypertough or Mintcraft I can't remember now. And we are talking framing squares. I didn't check where walmarts speed squares were made.
 

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After a quick look on the website, their metal speed squares are USA made and the speedlites no. IE, the plastic ones arent USA

Cant seem to find “framing square” on their website.
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Question - what framing square did you see in Walmart that was USA made? And are we talking about a framing square or a speed square?

I went back to check, Walmart sold Empire framing squares (made in the USA) and their brand Hyper Tough framing squares AND speed squares (both made in USA)
 

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Idk if I'm late to the party but I went to Lowe's to buy a framing square and saw that all Swanson stuff is now made in China. Even Walmarts brand framing squares are made in the USA and are the same price if not a few cents cheaper. It may not be a big deal to everyone but it annoyed me.

Carry on!

Not trying to start a debate at all. Just stating my opinion. Not a big deal to me at all. It is just like majority of car parts, clothes, phones, computers, TVs, DVD players, industrial equipment, household goods, etc. etc.

What we are not doing in our country is innovating in energy (except fracking, which has a limited timeline) and biomedical sciences. We are too focused on commodity manufacturing. That era of commodity manufacturing has come and gone, time to build a better mousetrap.
 

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I don't know why, but lately I have been supporting more of a "buy it local" attitude. I am in no way implying that I am innocent w/ regards to placing the value of a dollar over the quality, but we continue to see a trade deficit and no plan in sight to reduce it.
 

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I went back to check, Walmart sold Empire framing squares (made in the USA) and their brand Hyper Tough framing squares AND speed squares (both made in USA)

Come on now - that last pic is a yard stick isn't it. I can't see that being a framing square even though I can't see the other end.
 

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Not trying to start a debate at all. Just stating my opinion. Not a big deal to me at all. It is just like majority of car parts, clothes, phones, computers, TVs, DVD players, industrial equipment, household goods, etc. etc.

What we are not doing in our country is innovating in energy (except fracking, which has a limited timeline) and biomedical sciences. We are too focused on commodity manufacturing. That era of commodity manufacturing has come and gone, time to build a better mousetrap.

Commodity manufacturing works well enough for daily and weekly staples that households purchase.
If you go into any major retailer like Walmart/Target etc. The items that are almost always USA made, are things that people routinely purchase week after week on a regular schedule. This includes things like soap, detergent, toothpaste, paper towels, plastic trash and food bags, aluminum fool, many food items from frozen to fresh, etc.
A number of plastic items are also USA made even if the items are the more durable types.
Items that are imported are usually more durable goods that last a longer time before replacement.
As far as innovation goes, Britain was very innovative with numerous industries, particularly the steel industry, but many of those inventions were later sold to foreign companies in mainland Europe, or had the manufacturing shipped to India or China.
 
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You'd think framing squares would be something they could make cheaply here.

Years ago, in Fine Woodworking, there was an article on squares used for woodworking.
One section was on Stanley Tools.
Apparently, at the time the article was written, the squares mist have been punched, and then maybe machined, but Stanley still had a worker who would check each square for straightness and squareness, and then use a hammer or mallet on the corner intersection, to adjust the squares to make sure they were in tolerance.
I’ve seen old carpentry books from the US England and Japan were instructions are also given for this.

There may be one or two steps to making a decent square that just wind up costing too much in the USA.

There’s a company called Chappell that makes carpentry squares in the USA out of stainless steel, but the Square cost $60 to $120.
 

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Do they actually think I'm going to trust a square made in China?

Pretty easy to check, regardless of where it's made. Hold the square against an edge, draw a straight line, flip the square and repeat. If the lines are parallel/on top of one another you're good to go. If not, it's out by half the difference. A framing square can be corrected/brought back to square by using a punch on the inside of the corner to open it up, on the outside to close it up.

Trust but verify
 
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I have several framing squares including a mini, plus numerous speed squares, all USA made. Looks like I need to guard them now because it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy a Chinese square. They'll have to pry my American made squares from my cold dead lifeless hands I swear!! :)
 

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I have several framing squares including a mini, plus numerous speed squares, all USA made. Looks like I need to guard them now because it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy a Chinese square. They'll have to pry my American made squares from my cold dead lifeless hands I swear!! :)

I haven't seen a GOOD framing square made ANYWHERE in many years. Good steel framing squares are forged and are thickest at the corner, tapering out to a little less than the thickness of the stamped sheet squares of today at the ends. It's a distal taper, much like you find in a good chef's knife, and I don't believe that anyone, even in the USA makes a square like that any more. The result is a stronger square that weighs less. Aluminum is NOT a substitute here.

So yeah, they'll have to pry my good squares from my cold dead hands too.
 
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Come on now - that last pic is a yard stick isn't it. I can't see that being a framing square even though I can't see the other end.

You're right that is a yard stick. I was back in a different Walmart to take the picture and they didn't have the framing squares that the previous Walmart did. But it was the same brand so I took the picture so you could get the idea.
 

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Pretty easy to check, regardless of where it's made. Hold the square against an edge, draw a straight line, flip the square and repeat. If the lines are parallel/on top of one another you're good to go. If not, it's out by half the difference. A framing square can be corrected/brought back to square by using a punch on the inside of the corner to open it up, on the outside to close it up.

Trust but verify

Thanks, that's a great tip.
 

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Have you LOOKED at the profile shapes in the picture in that link?
And you still trust squares made in China?

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New Speed Squares bought from Home Depot in the past 2 weeks. 7" Swanson and a 12" Empire. Both are 'Made in USA'.



I've wasted money on several Stanley, Dewalt, Irwin speed squares and framing squares before and every single one of them that was made in China was out-of-square brand new. I've yet to see a square that wasn't made in the US that was actually square.

My experience has been very much like this guy's:

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Have you LOOKED at the profile shapes in the picture in that link?
And you still trust squares made in China?

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LOL It will be straight if you looked at it with an "artistic" eyes....

These are not meant as machinist squares... not sure if any thing in construction is .00001" tolerances... or needed to be...
 

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[...] These are not meant as machinist squares... not sure if any thing in construction is .00001" tolerances... or needed to be...

When a brand new 7" speed square is more than 1mm out of square just in it's 7" length (that's more than 2mm out when doing the flip-line test), as every China-made speed square I've ever seen has been, it matters a LOT. Go look at the ones at Horror Fright with a machinist square to check them. I have on a couple occasions. They are all pure junk not even close to square. The Irwin and Stanley ones I've had weren't much better. I feel sorry for anyone building dog houses with any of them.
 
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