Sweet belt driven Drill Press
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$250 for that!? WTH!
bl00
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I saw that today, too. Had to walk away from the computer telling myself "don't need, don't need, don't need."
I wonder if they left out a zero?
Strouty
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The location is why the price is $250 it is on the south shore of Long Island, they don't think it is worth anything.
Was at a auction several years ago.standing there waiting on a few things to come up.saw the auctioneer up by a drill press and hear him stifling to get another bid.I asked the guy next to me what they were bidding on. He said the drill...I threw up my hand and got it.
If I recall it was 320. As I was looking at it after I won it the auction helper told me not to forget the drill chuck and tray of studs and clamps and also a 8" vice .Holy sheet..... It was a pain to haul and set up.had to move it into shop on its side then stand it up.A major pucker task.. Oh..the drill chuck was a Jacobs 3/4 capacity...whooo hoo....major score.first pic is when it was first set up.had to sort out the wiring.. Second is with its new paint job.
Cheers
Will give details. It's a Cincinnati Bickford super service 26" IIRC..It has coolant and 11" of power feed travel. I love it.Only a # 4 mt but will do.I bought a 2 " drill and it plows right tru steel. Don't have a clue on weight but guessing 2500-3000 lbs..
If I recall it was 320. As I was looking at it after I won it the auction helper told me not to forget the drill chuck and tray of studs and clamps and also a 8" vice .Holy sheet..... It was a pain to haul and set up.had to move it into shop on its side then stand it up.A major pucker task.. Oh..the drill chuck was a Jacobs 3/4 capacity...whooo hoo....major score.first pic is when it was first set up.had to sort out the wiring.. Second is with its new paint job.
Cheers
Will give details. It's a Cincinnati Bickford super service 26" IIRC..It has coolant and 11" of power feed travel. I love it.Only a # 4 mt but will do.I bought a 2 " drill and it plows right tru steel. Don't have a clue on weight but guessing 2500-3000 lbs..
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454ragtop
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Just picked up a slightly larger camelback on Fri., a 23" swing J.E. Snyder & Sons. Cool old drill, has backgear, power down feed, 10+" quill travel, single phase 1.5 HP motor. Mine came with a couple X large beat up mill vises, a nice L&W Chuck drill press vise, a small XY table, and well over 100 lbs of drills, chucks, and misc. I have it all blown apart, just about ready for paint. If you have the room, they are cool drills, can drive very large drills.
Jim
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$250 is about right for an old flat belt drill press, more or less scrap price. That machine looks to be in very good shape.
Jking, I've seen your machine before. That's a very nice Super Service you have there. The price is impossible to beat too!
Jking, I've seen your machine before. That's a very nice Super Service you have there. The price is impossible to beat too!
Charles (in GA)
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The unit in the CL ad was most likely designed to run off flat belts powered by overhead shafting in a plant or mill. Many of those got converted to a motor and belt setup later in life after the plants and mills went away from the overhead shafting.
A good example of a plant with shafting and belting was the Eddystone rifle plant on the Baldwin Locomotive Works grounds in Eddystone, PA. When shut down and inventoried in 1919/1920 it was recorded that 10,000 machines, 48,000 feet of shafting, and 424,000 feet of belting were in use in the 14 acre plant. Nearly two million rifles and parts for 200,000 more were manufactured (with 300,000 more in process at shutdown) by 14,000 workers using this machinery powered by shafting and belting, over a three year period. The largest single piece of machinery was a 15 ton Putman lathe.
Charles
Shafting and belting powering equipment in a new workshop on the grounds of the Western Minnesota Steam Threshers Reunion near Rollag, MN
A good example of a plant with shafting and belting was the Eddystone rifle plant on the Baldwin Locomotive Works grounds in Eddystone, PA. When shut down and inventoried in 1919/1920 it was recorded that 10,000 machines, 48,000 feet of shafting, and 424,000 feet of belting were in use in the 14 acre plant. Nearly two million rifles and parts for 200,000 more were manufactured (with 300,000 more in process at shutdown) by 14,000 workers using this machinery powered by shafting and belting, over a three year period. The largest single piece of machinery was a 15 ton Putman lathe.
Charles
Shafting and belting powering equipment in a new workshop on the grounds of the Western Minnesota Steam Threshers Reunion near Rollag, MN
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woody 73
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The machines look fantastic and the price is hard to beat but at least for me sometimes a deal is not a deal even for $250.00 dollars. By the time I pay a company to move the machine and set it up in my man cave, plus pay for some kind of phase converter that deal no longer seems very good.
But in all honesty to anyone out there that can move them and run them in their man cave my hat is off to you.
But in all honesty to anyone out there that can move them and run them in their man cave my hat is off to you.
Charles (in GA)
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My buddy has one with an old transmission mounted in the middle to provide variable speed on the fly. Even comes with a clutch pedal that kills the rotation when let off so you can keep the motor spinning without risk of getting caught in it while prepping for the next hole
Packard V8
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If one just loves quality machines, it's a lot of quality for a little money.
For a home shop DP, a #3MT machine is akin to killing flies with a sledgehammer. Much work for little result. The #3MT drills start at 3/4" and go up to 1". To use #2MT (1/2" to 3/4") and #1MT (1/8" to 1/2") drills, sleeves are available. To use the 1/8" and smaller drills, a Jacobs chuck requires an expensive chuck and adapter. The speeds as set up are slow, slower and slowest, so would require work to make it turn fast enough for small drills.
BTW, I've got a slightly smaller flat belt Avey DP with a #2MT spindle, so all the above come from experience.
jack vines
For a home shop DP, a #3MT machine is akin to killing flies with a sledgehammer. Much work for little result. The #3MT drills start at 3/4" and go up to 1". To use #2MT (1/2" to 3/4") and #1MT (1/8" to 1/2") drills, sleeves are available. To use the 1/8" and smaller drills, a Jacobs chuck requires an expensive chuck and adapter. The speeds as set up are slow, slower and slowest, so would require work to make it turn fast enough for small drills.
BTW, I've got a slightly smaller flat belt Avey DP with a #2MT spindle, so all the above come from experience.
jack vines
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rlitman
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North shore, actually.
The paint on that machine looks real pretty, but it is still an overhead drive 19th century drill press. Not much value to it left. Especially around here. Yeah, the price is low, but the cost of moving it will keep a lot of buyers away if the price were higher.
I highly doubt that was flooded in Sandy.
mrbreezeet1
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don't know about this one, but the one they had in the garage was similar, although used a V belt, but it had 4 or 5 regular speeds, then a Back Gear range.
IIRC the regular range was fairly high speed.
IIRC the regular range was fairly high speed.
Bob-B
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As rlitman accurately pointed out it is located on the north shore, and I too highly doubt it was affected by Sandy. I've known the seller Jamie for many years and he's a straight shooter! He's arranged 2 tours of the Webb Institute for our local machinist's club. ALL their equipment is immaculately maintained.
Regarding prices, it's very hard to unload big industrial sized equipment around here these days. Today, there are fewer and fewer local takers. Even if you were to come and get it, the tolls on and off Long Island will kill you. Real estate is VERY expensive, and the typical surburban lots are small, so us home shop guys have limited space. Manufacturing went downhill over the past several decades with the demise of the aircraft industry, so we were able to "tool up" years ago, as all the small mom and pop shops closed up and liquidated. There aren't even many used machinery dealers left, and those that are around only want CNC's.
Regarding prices, it's very hard to unload big industrial sized equipment around here these days. Today, there are fewer and fewer local takers. Even if you were to come and get it, the tolls on and off Long Island will kill you. Real estate is VERY expensive, and the typical surburban lots are small, so us home shop guys have limited space. Manufacturing went downhill over the past several decades with the demise of the aircraft industry, so we were able to "tool up" years ago, as all the small mom and pop shops closed up and liquidated. There aren't even many used machinery dealers left, and those that are around only want CNC's.
Packard V8
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That craigslist machine was designed just to make 3/4" to 1" holes in iron or steel all day long for 100 years. It's possible to repurpose it to do lots of other things, but it's not a particularly easy task and moving it isn't the easiest either.
While it's possible anything is hiding behind that guard, it appears just to be a motor on the floor with a direct 3-speed flat belt drive. Don't see any back gearing, but it could be there somewhere.
Speaking of back gears, here's the one which came with my Avey. It's a '30s Mopar truck three-speed plus reverse transmission.
jack vines
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mrbreezeet1
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That transmission set up is awesome.
454ragtop
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Actually that machine on CL has 4 speeds by belt, and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't have a back gear setup. While not ideal for drills smaller than 3/8", it is perfect for anything larger, especially considering how pristine it is. Can be moved carefully in a full size pickup. If you have a small 12 to 15" drill press, this would make an ideal companion, long as you had the room, and need to drill holes larger than 1/2". Bet somebody is going to wish they picked this up down the road.
Jim
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rlitman
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You can make out the back gear in the last photo. Then look at the third photo, and you can see the selector handle for it from the front side.
The power feed is belt driven off the main shaft, and appears to have two feed rates as well (which would be proportional to the spindle RPM).
It is a truly beautiful machine, but not too many people around here need to drill battleship armor for riveting any more.
The power feed is belt driven off the main shaft, and appears to have two feed rates as well (which would be proportional to the spindle RPM).
It is a truly beautiful machine, but not too many people around here need to drill battleship armor for riveting any more.