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Marcos45/70

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I assume this can't just be welded.:headshake:puke:
I tried heating it up, soaking it with PB Blaster and using my press with a punch. I'm definitely sick over this. I found it buried in some junk in the garage we inherited and decided to finally try and free the pin. I've been using it non swiveling for years. Looks like that's how it will remain.
 
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What happened? I'd be half tempted to drill, counterbore the bottom part, tap and screw the parts together, then braze as a final measure if you want an extra bit of strength. Is there enough metal on the housing to go that way?
 

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Cast can be welded with an arc welder using nickel rod. A person needs to know how to do it right to do it right.
 

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What happened? I'd be half tempted to drill, counterbore the bottom part, tap and screw the parts together, then braze as a final measure if you want an extra bit of strength. Is there enough metal on the housing to go that way?

A few dowel pins and screws should work. Most of the load is handled by the rear of that jaw where it engages in a slot.
 
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What happened was that damn tapered pin was stuck. I disassembled the vise and put the main body of it in my press upside down with a punch going through the main screw hole contacting the bottom of the tapered pin. I then began to pump the press and bam, destroyed. It is a very clean break and I'm definitely tempted to find someone to repair this.
 
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What happened? I'd be half tempted to drill, counterbore the bottom part, tap and screw the parts together, then braze as a final measure if you want an extra bit of strength. Is there enough metal on the housing to go that way?
There's enough metal there for sure. The casting looks very porous. I'm heading to my buddy's machine shop in a bit to get some help. He's a bit temperamental but I'm going in prepared for the sermon he's going to give. :bowdown:
 
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Marcos: usually those swivel pins get rusted in place from not being used and with a little PB blaster or Kroil sprayed on them and a few taps from below upward with either a small bolt or something to fit in the hole they just pop out.

sorry to hear you used a press, but sounds like the experts are helping already and good luck with your friend and the vise.

by the way what does the rest of the vise look like or do you have a model # and make of it to share?
 

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yep, nickel rod or a braze. Pre heat etc...a good welder can get that fixed up. I say it's worth it.

V-notch the area to weld, so after weld you can grind it where it needs to be. And like others said, dowels would be good to.
 
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Marcos: usually those swivel pins get rusted in place from not being used and with a little PB blaster or Kroil sprayed on them and a few taps from below upward with either a small bolt or something to fit in the hole they just pop out.

sorry to hear you used a press, but sounds like the experts are helping already and good luck with your friend and the vise.

by the way what does the rest of the vise look like or do you have a model # and make of it to share?
I'll take more pictures of the vise in a bit. It's a Reed 404 1/2 R. I tried heating, tapping and soaking with PB Blaster overnight. The good news is my friend will let me use his machines tomorrow to make the repair. I showed him the part and he said it should be no problem. I would begin drilling it today but my drillpress is in pieces for it's restoration as well. I'll post pics of the repair when it's done. Normally, I would've used my equipment as I inherited it but since I found this forum I've been wanting to clean and paint everything.
 
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yep, nickel rod or a braze. Pre heat etc...a good welder can get that fixed up. I say it's worth it.

V-notch the area to weld, so after weld you can grind it where it needs to be. And like others said, dowels would be good to.
He said we can put dowels in it as well as screws. I've been hustling today to borrow my friends' skills. Another friend says he'll braze it once the machine work is done.
 
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I put the piece of the top jaw back in the press on top of a short piece of round stock with a hole through the center and popped the pin out. In hindsight I probably should have left it under tension for a bit the first time. Kind of like doing it in steps. I left it sitting and went inside for a sandwich and heard it pop out. Definitely something I will remember to do next time.
 
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It's just one of those things. Main thing is that you know for future reference now, so can chalk it up to experience. I'm sure we've all had occasions where the penny has only dropped late on in trying to remove something which is stuck. I had a cranked arm on a taper last year, for example, which was an absolute b**ch to remove, and it defeated all of my best, (and worst), efforts. Then, someone happened to mention a simple method to try. Blindingly simple in fact, yet it sorted it in a flash.

It is a ****** if something happens to break, (but saying that, we're less likely to learn well if we don't make mistakes occasionally), but you should be able to make an almost invisible repair on that. It should be almost as strong as was too, between the dowels, screws and braze.
 
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Yeah, I know. I still feel like a ******* though. I should have mounted it over the roundstock in the first place. I'm just glad it can be repaired and I'm fortunate enough to have friends that will help me out as well as this forum. When I described what I had done, my machinist friend said, "just stop by the shop before you run to that press."
 
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