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I just joined here. I've been reading for a while getting ideas. I just got started on my 24x24 garage build.

I've owned the property for 2.5 years now. It's 2 acres, mostly wooded with a long driveway through the woods and a clearing way back from the road at the rear of the property. It's about 4 miles from the ocean, which is nice and I'm surrounded on 3 sides by a nature preserve so nobody will ever build next to me. It came with the singlewide and a 12x16 wood floor shed/garage thing. The singlewide was in decent shape. I've been living in it for now, it's not too old and it's great not to worry about a mortgage. I'm planning on building a house on the lot in a few years and selling the trailer, the whole no mortgage thing makes it easy to save for the house.

The old garage was in rough shape, it had a lean to it, all the siding was rotten and the wood floor had a huge opening where it pulled apart. I fixed it up 2 years ago, I probably should have just torn it down. I pulled it back to plumb with a come along, replaced a lot of the wall studs, and pulled the wood floor back together and bolted it up where it pulled apart. Then I resided it with some smart siding sheets. It's useable now. I was able to store my car in it for 2 winters, but it's not something you can work on cars in.

Now it's time to build a real garage and just use the old one for storage.

This was in the spring figuring out where I wanted to place the new garage. There is a drop off the left that limits where the garage can go. I would have liked it a little farther from the trailer but oh well.

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Sitework started yesterday. Lucky for me the previous owners of the property brought in lots of fill and made a pad about halfway up the drive, probably for another trailer. We decided to just dig that up and use it for the garage pad. It worked out fine. My sitework guy finished this morning.

Here is the pad all prepped. The mesh and rebar for the slab got dropped off this afternoon. My concrete guy is supposed to pour on monday.

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The location and size are set now. I'm still working out the final details this weekend.

I sort of want a lift, which means 12 foot walls. I'm nervous about my ability to raise walls that tall. Everything I have built in the past has been 8 foot. I'm also worried about setting trusses that high up. I'm leaning toward 8 for ease of building and staying in my comfort zone and forgetting the lift. I have access to a lift at work every other saturday for 4 hours if I need it.

I have to choose door sizes and location by monday so the anchors can be set in the concrete.

I'm thinking of putting a man door on the front wall closest to the trailer, then building some steps inside and framing out a door opening lined up with the trailer door about 3 feet up in the wall, then just a freestanding short hallway between the trailer and the garage. I won't physically connect them because of the frost heaves we get here. Just **** it up close.

I can't decide on garage door sizes. 2 cars will be kept in it most of the time. My 95 Subaru Impreza and my new 15 F150 that I have on order. In the winter when it snows, I'd like to be able to jam my girlfriends Impreza inside as well. They are small cars they measure 5.5' x 15 feet. So mine that is stored for the winter could be turned and pushed against the back wall and still leave room for hers to pull in. I like the idea of a 16x7. But I could also do 2 doors. One would have to be a 9 to get the truck in without folding the mirrors, the other could be an 8. I don't know if a 32" man door and 2 9 footers will fit on the 24 foot front wall what with all the extra jack studs for that many doors.

Roof is going to be shingles, metal would be nice, but I've never done it. I've done plenty of shingle roofs and am comfortable doing it.

Siding may be vinyl. I've never done it before, but it looks easy. I might do the smart side 4x8 sheets, I like how fast they go up and they take paint real well.

Progress will probably stop for a while after the slab. I sold my old truck and trailer in anticipation of getting my new one. So I've got nothing to haul supplies in until it arrives. I have a week vacation this summer and probably will take it once I have the new truck and start framing.

I'm very open to suggestions, feel free to make them.
 
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Good start

Off the hip go 12 for the walls if you want the lift down the road.
Metal for the roof is easy if it's just a simple roof.

Just getting first sheet square is key.

Good luck and keep the pics going. Like the door idea that leads to the trailer
 
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The concrete guy set up the forms today. They are pouring the slab tomorrow.

I made my decision on the doors. There will be a 32" man door on the front wall all the way to the right right side and a 16x7 garage door starting 3' from the left wall. The drop off is steep over there so I don't want the door any closer to the left wall. Then there will be a 3' opening lined up with the trailer door. The rise is 3' so it will be 5 steps up. I nixed the idea of a landing since it's only 5 steps and will just go straight in, I am going to just do a temporary enclosed 3' wide stairway with a roof. It will only be there a few years until I build my house. Then it will be replaced with a hallway or mudroom between the garage and house.

The framing should be straight forward. I'm not putting in any windows. I've framed door openings before so no problem there. I've never framed a garage door before, but have a general idea of how to do it. I'm thinking get 2 20 foot 2x12s and sandwich some 1/2 ply in the middle for the header. Then triple jack studs on each side and 2x6s jambs in the opening. From what I read, the inside dimensions of the opening need to be the actual door size of 16x7. If anyone has any more suggestions on the garage door framing let me know.

I also decided on the side walls. I'm going with 8'. I just don't feel comfortable with my ability to build higher working by myself. If I really want a lift in the future, I could tear down the shed behind the new garage, cut a hole in the back wall and add a 12x20 bay with 12' walls and a lift back there.


Here's what will be going in there. My 95 Subaru Impreza with a JDM engine swap and way too much more to list here.

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My new truck will be joining it soon. 2015 RCSB F150. I ordered in March it's supposed to be here in less than 2 weeks. Will look just like this one.

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Making good progress,
Maybe due 2 wide for a mini landing to stand on to open the door to the trailer just a thought. Are the steps going out into the garage or hugging the wall and make 90 turn to enter breeze way to trailer?

Is roof gonna shed the same as shed in back and trailer correct?
The header for the garage door sounds good to me. Though I'm no expert on that at all.
Good luck and keep the pics going with your progress
 
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I have a slab. Looks good to me and everything went smoothly.
 
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Making good progress,
Maybe due 2 wide for a mini landing to stand on to open the door to the trailer just a thought. Are the steps going out into the garage or hugging the wall and make 90 turn to enter breeze way to trailer?

Is roof gonna shed the same as shed in back and trailer correct?
The header for the garage door sounds good to me. Though I'm no expert on that at all.
Good luck and keep the pics going with your progress

The trailer door opens inwards, so you could just stand on the top step and open it. Stairs will just go straight down into the garage. No point in taking up garage space with stairs and a landing. Nothing will be between the garage and trailer they won't be connected. I'll probably just put some stone down in there to catch the rain and snowmelt and stop weeds from growing up. The stairs will just be a temporary thing until I build my house. So I'm not putting a lot of time into them. I'll just set them on some block, frame up some quick sidewalls and a small roof over them.

Roof will go the same way as the others, man and 16' garage doors are all on the gable end.
 
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The forms came off this morning. Everything looks good to me. It rained here last night which helped with the drying, I didn't even have to water the concrete. There are two low spot where water puddled, no big deal really. I'm happy with the work that was done.

I probably won't be able to start the framing for about 2-3 weeks.
 
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Minor progress today. I backfilled around the slab and cleaned up and graded some. I can park on it now. The stakes are where the garage door will end.

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This is where I plan to keep the car parked when I get my truck. When I have that, I won't be driving the car every day so I will park it right against the wall like this. That gives me 12 feet wide of door opening to pull the truck in and out every day.

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Got my temporary steps built. The plan is when the walls go up, I will screw a sheet of plywood under the risers. Then frame some quick walls with T111 siding and a sheet of metal roofing over them. The steps and the walls/roof will just rest on the ground and slab. They will just float and be free standing to allow for frost heaves and shifting because the trailer is on blocks and the garage is on a slab. The sill plate of the garage will go under them.

I found out over the weekend I may be able to get some help so I could do 12 foot walls after all. My girlfriends brother is a contractor and may be free mid august to help me frame. Small possibility of a crew too. I wouldn't mind paying him to help out. If not, it's 8 foot and frame it myself.
 

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I'm holding out hope you get the 12 walls instead of 8 I think you'll like that better.

Enjoy your build experience it truly is the journey is the reward. The benefit is the building to use afterwards
 
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So 8 foot walls it is. Mostly for ease of building.

I ordered all the framing lumber, siding and roof sheathing today. They had to get the 20' 2x12s for the garage door header in. It all should be delivered Friday. I decided on southern yellow pine T111 for the siding. They had 3/8 or 5/8, I went with 5/8, should keep it from warping too much and make the building a little solider. I think I am going to spray the siding with a reddish brown stain, I looked at a few colors I like.

They are getting me a quote on trusses this week. I figure it should be $50-60 a truss or so for 24' common trusses. They will take a few weeks to arrive.

I have to work Saturday half a day but I might get a wall or two up next weekend.

Still have to decide on roofing, leaning towards metal now. Either way it will have OSB sheathing and tarpaper underneath.
 
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You can always build your 8' walls, put them up by yourself, than add a half wall directly above it, studs lined up in line with each other. You will not regret a larger ceiling height.DSC04204.JPG I did that when I framed up the tool room across the back of the shop. It was the only way I could handle the walls by myself.
 
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You can always build your 8' walls, put them up by yourself, than add a half wall directly above it, studs lined up in line with each other. You will not regret a larger ceiling height


I did think of that. But then the issue is setting trusses 12 feet up alone. Well I have my GF and my teenaged kids to help hold stuff, but they can't do heavy lifting 12 feet up a ladder. With the 8 foot walls I'm confident the 5 of us can get them up there.

I think in the end if I really want a lift, after I build my house where the trailer sits now, I will put a single 12x20 bay with 12 foot high walls centered behind the new garage. I'd tear down the existing old blue building in the pics and put it right there up against the 24x24. With a hole in the back wall I would have access to it through the 24x24. That's way in the future and I'd probably have to hire some help or a framing crew for that. It would give me 4-5 car storage inside with a lift.

For now I'm satisfied with what I am building. I'll have daily storage for 2 cars and can get 3 inside in bad snowstorms. It's tight but they do fit, we tried it on the slab already.

I want to insulate and heat to say 50 in the winter eventually after the house is done. The lower ceiling will save heating costs and I can close off a back lift bay as cold storage.
 
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Got this today at HF in anticipation of lumber delivery. I'm tired of doing all my cutting with a circular saw. This should speed things up some.

Every single adjustment on the thing was off out of the box. The blade hit the kerf board and the table. Several screws weren't even tightened. It would be outright dangerous to use out of the box as is. Must have been a Friday when the Chinese slave laborers built it. I got the blade lined back up to the fence with a framing square, adjusted the stops, adjusted the laser with a square and tightened up every screw on the thing. Works good now after an hour plus of work. Oh well, what can you expect for under 100 bucks right?

I've been looking into roof and door options. Looks like I can order metal roofing sheets in 14 foot. The chord on my trusses is 13' 8 1/2" so I could hang the osb off the truss a bit and put full sheets up with no cutting for a fast easy roof. I'm thinking green metal roofing with green trim around the doors and staining the T1-11 a reddish brown color.

16' insulated doors are expensive. I'm looking at $1000 for one. Wow. I'm not insulating right away but hope to in a few years so it just makes sense to get the insulated door now. I might have to shop CL for some sort of a bargain on something new and unused or like new take off or something.

Anybody good with fasteners? Is a 30 lb bucket about right for framing nails on this size building? What is a good screw to put T1-11 up that will be stained. Rust stains might not be an issue with a brownish stain so I may not need the expensive stainless screw?
 
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I put in 8 hours yesterday and 12 hours today. I have all the framing done. I don't know if that's considered good time or not. I'd say I have average construction skills and I did this all solo. It was getting dark and I'm tired. Better pics tomorrow. I got a few sheets of siding up lots more to go.

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My new truck finally showed up Wednesday. Here it is parked on it's future home.

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It's the base XL shortbed. Only option I ordered is 4wd. It has vinyl seats, rubber floors, crank windows and AM/FM.
 

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great progress for doing this all solo,

keep posting pics of your progress,

Nice ford truck now you have the means to go and get more supplies,
 
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Got one wall completely sided after work today. I'm hoping to get the back wall done tomorrow.

Had a minor goof. I left the T1-11 sheets lying where the lumber truck dropped them off. The ground was uneven and it's been hot and humid here lately with a few rains. You guessed it, they warped even though I had them covered with a tarp. They aren't ruined but its harder to hang them now. I should have put them right on the slab as soon as they arrived. I have them on the slab now weighed down hoping they flatten out.

The last pic kind of shows the space I will have, the green Impreza will always be parked there, now that I have my truck it won't come out much. On the other side that is a stack of 4x8 sheets and Impreza is only 5 and half feet wide. So it will be easy enough to get the other Impreza over there and the truck in the middle pointed out with plow on in snowstorms.
 
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Yesterday's progress. The T1-11 sheets mostly flattened out and are going up easier now. My back wall racked about a 1/2" after sitting for a few days with no sheathing. I pulled it back to square with a ratchet strap, before putting siding up, it wasn't a big deal.
 

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nice progress,

looks good,

keep the Posting up the progress pics,

are you putting in any windows in the garage?
 
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No I decided I didn't want any windows. We have cold and snow here half the year and it's one less thing to worry about with breakage from falling snow and ice. Plus they are sort of useless half the year when we only have 8 hours of daylight and I'm at work the whole time it's daylight. In the summer I can open the big door for light. I have a few sets of the florescent tube lights to go up and will probably get a few more.
 
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3 walls are sided. It was getting dark and the pic didn't come out so good.
 

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It's the base XL shortbed. Only option I ordered is 4wd. It has vinyl seats, rubber floors, crank windows and AM/FM.

If this was a base model, why did you have to order one? The dealer was unable to locate one of your liking? I think that model is good without all the bells ans whistles . Towing package included?
 
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If this was a base model, why did you have to order one? The dealer was unable to locate one of your liking? I think that model is good without all the bells ans whistles . Towing package included?

Ford makes very few of the base XL models. There were probably only a few thousand regular cab trucks made in 2015 due to a frame shortage. I was lucky to get mine at all. The loaded crew cabs are where the profit is. I ordered mine before they were even available to purchase on the lot. I actually work for a Ford dealer in service.

I didn't get the towing package, if I ever want to tow anything I can get a hitch for under $200 and it can tow 7000 lbs.
 
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Got all the siding up. Going tomorrow tomorrow to pick up some z flashing for the top of the t1-11 sheets, a front door, trim for the garage door jambs and some trim for the 4 corners.

Then I'll be on hold until the trusses show up.



It's still early but I'm thinking a work bench where the stack of wood under the tarp is and a row of coathooks and shoe bins between the front door and the door with the stairs so everyone can dump their shoes and coats before coming inside. Maybe a fold down workbench so I don't lose floor space when I need to get a third car inside.

Eventually the whole garage will be insulated, drywalled and heated, but that is a few years off.
 

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The stair way acces turned out great,

Wasn't how I pictured you doing it but that looks like it will work fine.

Nice work on all the rest as well.
 

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Will you have a covered or enclosed area over the stairs to the house?

i asked about the short bed Ford and you said there was a frame shortage for regular cabs. Was this because this was the first year for the aluminum body for the F150?
 
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The stairs will be covered. It's just going to be a temporary thing for a few years. I plan to build a house where the trailer sits now. It will just be some walls with pressure treated sills sitting on the dirt and butted up against but not connected to the trailer and the garage to allow for the wicked frost heaves we get here. I'm going to try and get the stair roof under the eave of both.

I think the frame shortage was a combination of first year issues and a fire at metalusa where they make the frames. I'm glad I got mine, I really like the little truck, it's easier to get around in than a big crew cab.
 

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Will you have a covered or enclosed area over the stairs to the house?

i asked about the short bed Ford and you said there was a frame shortage for regular cabs. Was this because this was the first year for the aluminum body for the F150?

Can't help on the ford truck question

but pretty sure the stairs to the house will be enclosed, might not be heated or insulated till the garage gets the same treatment but won be open to the outside

Tr if I'm wrong sorry,

But I think that's what you said your planing on doing.
 
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Yeah I may have to go to down to 4 steps if headroom is an issue trying to get the small stair roof under both soffits. It should be fine either way. The door knob is still at a comfortable height from one step down and this is just a temporary thing. Once I build a house I plan on a mudroom between the house and garage.
 
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So I had a several week delay getting my roof trusses. They finally showed up yesterday. I cut the gable siding on the ground last night, it's easier than trying to measure on a ladder. Today I set all the trusses. It was a long day, all my help bailed out on me, so I did it alone. It took most of the day but it's done. Tomorrow I will nail the gable siding. Then I'll build the ladders for the overhangs on the gables and put them up. I'll get a start on sheathing the roof, but probably won't get it all up there. ******* 4x8 sheets up to the roof alone is no fun.
 
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Here is where I am at now. It's been raining a lot and temps have been in the low 80's with high 80's humidity which has slowed me down. I got the z flashing up and the siding on the gables. I started to build the ladders for the gable overhangs. I'll probably finish those and get them nailed up this week after work. Then next weekend sheathing the roof and shingling. I'm thinking of buying the roofing nailer harbor freight sells. I have two other roofs to do after the garage, so it seems like a good investment for $100.
 

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" I'm thinking of buying the roofing nailer harbor freight sells. I have two other roofs to do after the garage, so it seems like a good investment for $100. "


your body will appreciate the investment in a new tool.
 
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Built the gable overhangs and put them up. Then I sheathed the whole roof. Getting the sheathing up a ladder by myself sucked. But it's done.

All the hard work is done, it's all easy from here on out. I'm going to try and get the sheathing edges trimmed up, lay down tarpaper and get the drip edge on after work this week. Then next weekend it's shingles.
 
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So I spent my labor day weekend laboring.

I have a roof. Did the felt and drip edges one night after work last week. I spent the last 2 and half days doing the shingles. I just finished up today at noon. It's hot here, almost record hot. It's 88 right now which is outrageous for Maine in September. It had to be over 100 up on the roof.

The Harbor Freight roofing nailer worked ok. It's not perfect, it fires a blank sometimes. For the money it sure beat hand pounding over 7 square of shingles. It was $100 on sale with a 20% off coupon I paid $80.

I did fairly well on the shingles. I haven't done a roof in about 7 or 8 years so I'm a little rusty. On the first side I left about 4 nails showing and missed a bit on the pattern on one course. Second side was perfect after I got back in the swing of it.

Next is enclosing the stair into the trailer and staining it, probably next weekend, then doors.

Then I'm going to take a break, catch up on other stuff and wait until October to do the fascia and soffits. Fascia will be 1x5 painted and the soffits will be white vinyl.
 

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You in the gray area? Just guessing based on nature preserve and the harbor freight in SoPo being the only one I'm aware of in Maine.. :)

Garage looks awesome!
 
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You in the gray area? Just guessing based on nature preserve and the harbor freight in SoPo being the only one I'm aware of in Maine.. :)

Garage looks awesome!

No, midcoast. I go the the HF in Bangor, it's about 45 mins from here.
 
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