Tamper proof recepts, 2020 code

[walrus]

Attached and detached garages, accessory buildings associated with a dwelling unit will have tamper proof recepts. This proves I paid attention to something in my 15 hr code update class

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[Shiftless]

We will all feel a whole lot safer with ceiling receptacles that power garage door openers being TR.

 

[nadogail]

Thankfully that particular upgrade has not , to my knowledge, become effective on any of my properties.

 

[Wrench97]

Saw a maintenance guy last week installing them last week of course he wired them backwards with the black wire on the silver screw side and back stabbed of course.
I'm going to feel so much safer now........................

 

[Norcal]

Saw a maintenance guy last week installing them last week of course he wired them backwards with the black wire on the silver screw side and back stabbed of course.
I'm going to feel so much safer now........................

Doofy strikes again.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I am not sure what the big deal is. They are slightly more difficult to use but it isn't anything noticeable after a while.

 

[acer66]

I am not sure what the big deal is. They are slightly more difficult to use but it isn't anything noticeable after a while.

Me either and I developed the habit to check the prong length if it does not work and more often then not they are so different that I have to plug them in in an angle which then works.

 

[WisJim]

But TR isn't required for 240 receptacles, and I have a lot of them, lower than the 120s. Makes little sense to me. Regarding the door opener receptacle, I don't think TR is required if over 5 1/2 feet from the ground.

 

[Daveco]

I’m wondering how long the little tiny plastic pieces inside will last before they start falling apart and jamming the slots.


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[hilld]

Planned obsolescence, the mfg's want you to buy replacements.

 

[frank001]

I’m wondering how long the little tiny plastic pieces inside will last before they start falling apart and jamming the slots.


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^^^This exactly!^^^^ And one of the reasons that I have no interest in ever using them.

 

[walrus]

But TR isn't required for 240 receptacles, and I have a lot of them, lower than the 120s. Makes little sense to me. Regarding the door opener receptacle, I don't think TR is required if over 5 1/2 feet from the ground.

I think the 5.5 ft refers to where recepts shall be placed. Don't think that excludes TR above 5.5 ft.

 

[HenryAZ]

I am not sure what the big deal is.

Do they cost the same as a non-TR receptacle?

 

[jkeyser14]

Wow you guys really fear change... TR receptacles are pretty decent these days. I have been using them for 5+ years with zero issues. The early ones had a little more plug insertion force, but the more recent ones are really decent.

 

[purplezr2]

My whole garage is TR outlets, radiant by Legrand, and they work flawlessly.

I can say I honestly don't even notice they are TR.

I have some other Legrand outlets on the outside of my house and they are also TR, but I do notice one is tougher then the other to get in.

 

[tdkkart]

We will all feel a whole lot safer with ceiling receptacles that power garage door openers being TR.

The day will come when all door openers will have to be hard wired, technically preventing the average homeowner from installing one.

 

[Robbie B]

Saw a maintenance guy last week installing them last week of course he wired them backwards with the black wire on the silver screw side and back stabbed of course.
I'm going to feel so much safer now........................

I’m not an electrician and I know not to do that. [emoji2359]

 

[exranger06]

Attached and detached garages, accessory buildings associated with a dwelling unit will have tamper proof recepts. This proves I paid attention to something in my 15 hr code update class

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Weren't they already required in those locations for the last few code cycles? I thought 2014 required them.

I think the 5.5 ft refers to where recepts shall be placed. Don't think that excludes TR above 5.5 ft.

No, any receptacle that's at least 5.5 ft from the ground doesn't need to be TR. Also, any receptacle that's behind a large appliance that you can access only if you move said appliance, doesn't need to be TR. For example, the receptacle behind your refrigerator doesn't need to be TR. Not many little kids are going to push a fridge out of the way just so they can stick a paper clip in an outlet.

I also don't see the big deal with requiring TRs. I've replaced every receptacle in my house, for several reasons, and I used TRs in almost every location. I like bringing things up to the latest code when doing electrical work (even when it's not required) and I like the added safety with 3 mischievous little kids running around the house.

 

[u2slow]

It will take a few years to use up my non-TR stock around the house and shop. Also the non-TR will be on discount/clearance for a while yet.

I also wired the fridge outlet so its not behind the fridge. I like to be able to hook it up to my generator's extension cord without moving it.

Somehow I resist the urge to poke foreign objects into receptacles...

 

[exranger06]

It will take a few years to use up my non-TR stock around the house and shop. Also the non-TR will be on discount/clearance for a while yet.

I also wired the fridge outlet so its not behind the fridge. I like to be able to hook it up to my generator's extension cord without moving it.

Somehow I resist the urge to poke foreign objects into receptacles...

Adults typically know better. Little kids, not so much. The whole purpose of TR is really just for kids. That's why TR is not required on receptacles over 5.5 ft from the ground (kids can't reach), and not required behind large appliances (kids can't access). That's also why they're required in places where kids are likely to be, such as homes, schools, hotel rooms, daycare centers, etc. and they're NOT required in commercial office buildings, factories, industrial buildings, etc.

 

[dave*99]

The day will come when all door openers will have to be hard wired, technically preventing the average homeowner from installing one.

FWIW, dishwashers had usually been hardwired. Now I see them connected with a plug and receptacle (usually under the sink) This is to provide a local means of disconnect for service/repair/replacement.

 

[dcg9381]

But TR isn't required for 240 receptacles, and I have a lot of them, lower than the 120s.

They clearly did not write code with GJ people in mind.. Agree, it makes no sense in a shop context.

Somethings get "unupgraded" if they were installed that way in my shop...

We started getting these in residential about 10 years ago (at least the house at the time got them) - they really weren't that bad...

With these things installed, it'll definitely limit the child - electrical learning curve... I know I only did it once.

 

[Krfjkm]

Learned this one the hard way... installed all my outlets twice! Anyone need a bunch of non-tamper resistant outlets?

 

[cadunkle]

I got caught by code enforcement doing renovations years ago, they made me swap all outlets from the quality model I chose to TR junk. No kids and I'll never have them. After countless times getting frustrated trying to get something plugged in I changed them back. This summer I changed a couple TR outlets at a relatives house to standard, since you couldn't get anything plugged in. They were using a two to three prong converter on their three prong plugs as that was the only way they could plug anything in to the problematic outlets.

 

[ddawg16]

They have one advantage in the garage.....they keep the saw dust out.

 

[dcg9381]

Looks like TR 20A plugs are about $6 each, compared to about $2.50/each for non-TR.

 

[u2slow]

Adults typically know better. Little kids, not so much. The whole purpose of TR is really just for kids. .

It took until 2020 for kids to matter? The plug-in safety 'blanks' have been available for 40+ years.

Is this really a safety thing? Or a reason to clip everyone an extra $3.50 per receptacle per household? And we thought housing was already too expensive...

 

[Shiftless]

And I see that you can buy TR receptacles with the back stab option.

 

[Norcal]

And I see that you can buy TR receptacles with the back stab option.

“Backstab” is a push and pray device, backwire is the screw plate type.

 

[Shiftless]

“Backstab” is a push and pray device, backwire is the screw plate type.

Right
Maybe those inexpensive Levitons do have the screw down plate time of wire clamp and not the “push and pray” as you so accurately described. I don’t know, I couldn’t find a view of the backside of the device.
I like those screw down plate devices and haven’t used any other for several years now.

 

[stickshift]

NEC is very non-progressive in their thinking. It's 2020, we allow little boys to decide they are little girls, but we can't trust them to not stick metal objects into electrical outlets?

 

[Wrench97]

NEC is very non-progressive in their thinking. It's 2020, we allow little boys to decide they are little girls, but we can't trust them to not stick metal objects into electrical outlets?

Unless of course they're 240v outlets