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rslaback

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I am in the market for an A/O torch. I am hoping to find a portable unit (as I don't have a whole lot of extra room in my shop) but if a fullsize unit comes along for the right price I would snag that instead.

I know that when purchasing tanks you need to make sure that they are refillable. What I don't know is how to do that. I know that there are at least two aspects: ownership and hydrotest.

1. How good is a hydrotest certification good for? If the tests are not recently certified, how much am I likely looking at to get them recertified?

2. Are ownership documents required for all tanks or only those with a gas supplier cast into them (Airgas etc.) The actual document, is it basically just the original bill of sale?
 
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Talk to your local LWSs different places have different policies. I was worried about the some of that but found out it is just like swapping a BBQ propane tank, just more expensive. They didn't need papers and the tanks testing was expired. They were more concerned with just swapping the tank for the right size
 

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1. How good is a hydrotest certification good for? If the tests are not recently certified, how much am I likely looking at to get them recertified?

It depends on the DOT rating of the cylinder. DOT 3A cylinders are required to be tested at 5 year intervals. DOT 3AA cylinders can be tested at 5 or 10 year intervals, depending on the marking accompanying the most recent test date. DOT3A and 3AA cylinder types are used for oxygen and other high-pressure gases.

DOT 8 (acetylene) cylinders only need to be retested if they're damaged, dented or very rusty, and if so, they're sometimes removed from service instead of retested, depending on the amount of damage.

Look for the most recent date stamp on the neck or shoulder of the oxygen cylinder. If it's a DOT 3AA rated cylinder and the most recent test date has a star symbol after the date stamp, the hydrotest is good for 10 years. Otherwise it's only good for 5 years.

In addition, some cylinders may be marked with a + sign after the hydrotest date stamp. That means the cylinder can be filled to 10% higher pressure than the DOT pressure rating. Just mentioning that in case you see that mark and wonder what it means.

When needed, a hydrotest will cost you around $20, +/- $5. Price varies a little by location and by the company doing the testing.

If you rotate your cylinders out frequently, you may never get caught with a hydrotest charge. It often only becomes an issue with DIYers who don't do much welding and the cylinders sit for years and years between refills.


2. Are ownership documents required for all tanks or only those with a gas supplier cast into them (Airgas etc.) The actual document, is it basically just the original bill of sale?

That varies significantly by location and by gas supplier. It also sometimes varies by the size of the cylinder. Most of the smaller size cylinders are considered customer-owned cylinders. Larger cylinders like the standard industrial sizes are more often questioned.

As Jere said, different places have different policies, so you really need to ask whoever you choose to use as a supplier.

In places where an ownership document is required, it usually has to be an original bill of sale from a welding gas company, not a scrap of paper from Joe Blow at a garage sale or Craigslist, unless it's also accompanied by the original bill of sale in his name from a welding gas company (which isn't likely to happen at a garage sale or Craigslist).

Once you've got an account with a gas supplier, you shouldn't need to prove ownership with each refill, but if you change companies, you may need to provide proof of ownership again to the new company.

In places where sales receipts aren't generally required, it comes down to what is actually stamped on the cylinder or marked on the neck ring, which is why it's generally best to buy at least your first set of cylinders from a welding gas company. At the very least, you should be cautious about cylinders that have a gas company's name stamped on them or embossed on the neck ring, unless they're accompanied by an original bill of sale.

FWIW, in over 40 years of owning many different types and sizes of welding cylinders, I've never been asked for proof of ownership by any of the many companies I've done business with, but I also worked in the welding gas industry at one time and know exactly what to look for on cylinders I've bought used from private parties. Once again, not every welding gas supplier and geographic location is the same, so YMMV.
 

nomad69

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In Michigan proof of ownership is not needed. I've won tanks at auctions or sale that were in the paper and never had any trouble getting them filled. My brother in Law lives in Ohio and there you will need actual title to a tank just like an automobile so it would be wise to check with your state to see what they require.
A hydro test, last time I needed one was 14$.
 
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justanengineer

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Just as a FYI, you might consider talking to a few gas suppliers about alternatives. Buying tanks is rather asinine IMHO as is renting. Find a good supplier with a one time tank deposit. Its just like getting a keg of beer. Give them a hundo or whatever the deposit rate has gotten to now and pay for the gas, use the gas, and when you need another tank you just swap them. If you change suppliers or get rid of your tanks you get your money back guaranteed.

Irregardless, be careful if you "buy" tanks via craigs or other sources. At my last supplier's store, I saw several instances of people getting mighty pissed that they "bought" supplier tanks. Theyd show up expecting to just pay for gas and the supplier would take the tank, then inform them that the customer still owed them for the tank. Basically, you cant "buy" the supplier's property except from the supplier bc people do rent or put a deposit on them.
 

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I have two sets of tanks. A large set and an intermediate set. When I need to get more gas, they just swap them out. The tanks have the suppliers name on them, and they've never questioned them. I need to get the intermediates filled or swapped and get a cart for them so I can move them around, then get rid of the large tanks. I'm doing good if I fire up the torch 2-3 times a year.
 

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Just got Oxygen, Acetylene and Argon tanks for scrap steel value. Out of date and from a defunct supplier here in Detroit. Praxair bought the company and will gladly exchange the tanks for full ones no questions asked. Not even a charge for re-inspection (Which they could charge). Also got a free shop made cart.
 
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bczygan

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Of course, even though I was given the tanks, they are really the property of Praxair. So they are glad to exchange them for their own tanks and not worried about the date since they won't refill them. It ties me into just getting gasses from them. So it's not like having my own tanks that I can get filled anywhere.
 
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