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Beerhippie

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Cast iron drills and taps easily--and them Goulds pumps ain't cheap last I looked.

What size are the stripped-out threads? If 1/4", go up to 3/8", not 1/2.

While shavings from drilling and tapping shouldn't hurt a centrifugal pump, this would be a good time to replace the seal and gaskets.
 
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It’s 1/2”.
I have a full set of taps up to 1/2” and I have a bunch of larger ones from my father who was an industrial electrician.
None are pipe taps! 18 thread.
Ya it’s a $1500 pump.
I talked to a pump place and they talked about replacing the cast end.
Kicker is the house is for sale so I need to do something.
 

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It’s 1/2”.
I have a full set of taps up to 1/2” and I have a bunch of larger ones from my father who was an industrial electrician.
None are pipe taps! 18 thread

Are you sure that's 1/2"npt? 1/2"npt is 14tpi.

1/4"npt is 18tpi, which is approx 1/2" diameter.

Chase with tap, get a new plug, copious wraps of teflon tape and teflon paste
 

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It’s 1/2”.
I have a full set of taps up to 1/2” and I have a bunch of larger ones from my father who was an industrial electrician.
None are pipe taps! 18 thread.
Ya it’s a $1500 pump.
I talked to a pump place and they talked about replacing the cast end.
Kicker is the house is for sale so I need to do something.
Just buy a 1/2" NPT tap--assuming there are still enough threads left to chase. Otherwise, Helicoil or equivalent. I'm sure you can find a bushing that would work, too. Replacing the volute of the pump would likely be around $300-400.

For that matter, I'd be willing to use JB Weld to fill the hole, then tap with a 1/2" NPT tap. With the fairly low pressure of that pump--likely no more than 60 PSI--it's ll do just fine.
 

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Are you sure that's 1/2"npt? 1/2"npt is 14tpi.

1/4"npt is 18tpi, which is approx 1/2" diameter.

Chase with tap, get a new plug, copious wraps of teflon tape and teflon paste
Once again, if it's 1/4" NPT, drill and tap to 3/8" NPT. $20-30 of cheap tools for a one-time job, and cast iron drills and taps like butter.
 

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It's 1/4 NPT, not 1/2".
Indeed. Buy a 3/8" NPT tap and 37/64" bit. You should be able to walk out for about $20 or less. You don't need the really good stuff as you're drilling and tapping cast iron--and probably only using it once. An adjustable wrench is fine for driving the tap and you don't need to take the pump apart--unless you feel like a rebuild of the pump seal and gaskets.
 

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Drain plug appears to be tapered
It is tapered, as it's a pipe thread--National Pipe Thread, even.

The one touchy thing about tapered pipe threads is that you can over-drive the tap, resulting in a hole that's too big to seal against the plug. Go in about half the length of the tap, back out, and try the plug. Repeat until it's right.
 

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When you get it tapped, upgrade to a plastic, brass, or stainless steel plug. Those are much less likely to seize in the hole.
 
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Thanks again. Lots of learning here. Finding this stuff locally isn't happening other that a plumbing distributer at professional prices.
Looks like Amazon.
Should I put valves on so this hopefully doesn't happen again?Pipe Taps.jpg
 
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Thanks again. Lots of learning here. Finding this stuff locally isn't happening other that a plumbing distributer at professional prices.
Looks like Amazon.
Should I put valves on so this hopefully doesn't happen again?Pipe Taps.jpg
Harbor Freight (or Princess Auto or whatever it's called up there) carries a set of pipe thread taps for not much money. Be careful on depth when tapping tapered threads. Start at 1/3 depth or so, then back it out and try the fitting....then give it another turn at a time until you've got it where it you want it.
 

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Should I drill out the stripped hole first or just go for it?
I have a set of numbered drills.
If you get the tap set, it will have both 1/4" NPT as well as a 3/8" NPT. I'd start with the 1/4" and try to clean up whats there, and try a new 1/4" NPT fitting to see if it catches enough thread to tighten appropriately. Use some pipe dope to prevent galling. If not, then step up to the next size, 3/8" NPT.

As far as drilling it out, depends how wallered out it is now. If you can get the 3/8NPT tap to start without drilling, put a few drops of oil on the tap and go to town. If the hole is too small to start the tap, drill it oversized a bit until you can start the tap. Either use a tap drill chart or measure just the tip of the tap (because it's tapered) to determine your drill size.
 
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I first checked the websites and then got in my truck and did the rounds.
Nothing.
Home Hardware
Home Depot
Canadian Tire
Rona
Princess Auto
Amazon it is then, but I was hoping to do it this weekend.
 

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Won't the tap just have to go a bit deeper seeing it is tapered?
There was still lots of drain plug left before.
Deeper yes, but the wall thickness isn't sufficient to go deep enough to get enough thread I think. You might be able to enough thread engagement to hold it and rely on rtv to seal it up
 

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I have a couple of npt pipe tap sets (1/4 to 3/4 or 1”) for sale for $25-30 if you’re interested. Pm me and I’ll send you some pics
They good quality or off shore?

I was looking at buying a set after needing a 1" the other day. Ended up cutting vertical grooves in an old fitting and used that vs a trip to the store.
That and a ton of pipe dope and tape sealed it up.. hopefully. Not a fan of getting diesel all over me, the tank, ground, shed wall 40ft away, somehow even the dog and he wasn't even nearby.


$100 fuel filter setup on my bulk tank somehow got the threads buggered and was dripping.
 
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Rod N

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I assume those plugs are for draining.

I would put in small petcocks after the stripped thread issue is resolved. Looks like many radiator petcocks are of this size.

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Good idea. I changed my order. But will these get clogged if there are any debris? It is pumping from the lake. I guess I could poke a stick in to free anything.
 
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