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If you know what you need and have an idea as to the lift model you want, I'd be tempted to buy now, too. I don't know about you, but time never seems to be on my side. And with prices likely going up, even more so than usual.
 
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.....a terminally worthless child ........

LOL I reserve the right to steal this for future use.......:lol_hitti
for people who don't think just blindly follows...... god bless the zombies.
 

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that is right ..... Incentives.... not fear.



At the end of all this when the dust settles.... you guess who is going to paid for those $4 billion. and where all those profits goes to... FoxConn that is right...

I suspect there might have been a quiet promise to supply H1B visas as needed. Loopholes, loopholes, and more loopholes.

It's not enough to recognize bad laws on the books, it's even more important for Congress to go back and fix 'em.
 
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We shall see if Trump can get a deal with the Chinese!
The Chinese don't need us as badly as we think, and they hold the proverbial drumpf card--they can just ask to cash in all those US Treasury bonds they own.

The tariffs will only serve to increase the cost to the consumer and line the pockets of the already-wealthy.
 

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I suspect there might have been a quiet promise to supply H1B visas as needed. Loopholes, loopholes, and more loopholes.

It's not enough to recognize bad laws on the books, it's even more important for Congress to go back and fix 'em.

L1 and H1B no differences, other than H1B, I think they can be converted to green card after 6 or 7 years. But what I mean to say is at the end of the day the sum is more negative.... yet it seems so positive...on the surface... even in the long run. It's a win win for fox-con and it's hidden partners... but not so much for us mere mortals . Is there job increase, absolutely, but at what cost? for every $ a worker earns, every tax payers are shoving out $$$. So at the end of this Charade... the Chinese just sit back and laugh at this **** show. BTW, it's not just the Chinese, it's almost everyone else in the world...
Some of you are just narrow focus into the Chinese for what ever reason.... Psst and for what ever reason.... some of you think the Chinese only do business with just USofA...

The tactic is shoot everything up in the air and see what lands and falls where.... you guys remember the old saying.... "Where there is Chaos, there is opportunity...." That is where the best bargains are made.
 
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The Chinese don't need us as badly as we think, and they hold the proverbial drumpf card--they can just ask to cash in all those US Treasury bonds they own.

The tariffs will only serve to increase the cost to the consumer and line the pockets of the already-wealthy.

I'm all for encouraging more domestic manufacturing. However, tym makes a point I think a lot of folks don't fully appreciate.

The impact of these tariffs won't mean much to the Chinese. The real pain will be felt right here at home by US consumers. It's not about sticking it to Beijing. It's about "tough love" for US citizens who've grown complacent about not supporting American made. With any other administration, this would be a "third rail" political play that no politician would dare touch. But these are interesting times so...we'll see what happens.
 
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We shall see if Trump can get a deal with the Chinese! I think it's a 50/50 chance. The tariffs on a lot of Chinese manufactured items will still not make them more expensive than an American made product! American made in most instances was/would be a better made product IMO!I have has some very well made Chinese products and some crappy made ones as well! The Chinese are ruthless......I worked for a Chinese company for a while. I have seen the friendly side and I have also seen the arrogant side of them. The Chinese have a lot of leverage so if Trump can get a decent deal it will surprise me. The Chinese thing should have been taken of a long time ago......but then, I suspect all the politicians who have been receiving big bucks from them didn't want to wean off the ***!

The Chinese have no leverage, the US is their biggest market and they stand to lose a net of $500 Billion in trade.
 

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While I may not be able to wrap my brain around all the complexities of these tariffs. I believe something needs to be done. As I've made my way thru life I've noticed that the ways we are currently going isn't conducive to our well being as a society. The little things that people need to survive, food, clothing, housing is getting harder and harder to get. one job often isn't enough. There are able bodied people on the streets begging because they can make more there than working. Somethings wrong with this picture.

The tariffs may not be the answer but it beats everyones solution of doing nothing.
 

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L1 and H1B no differences, other than H1B, I think they can be converted to green card after 6 or 7 years. But what I mean to say is at the end of the day the sum is more negative.... yet it seems so positive...on the surface... even in the long run. It's a win win for fox-con and it's hidden partners... but not so much for us mere mortals . Is there job increase, absolutely, but at what cost? for every $ a worker earns, every tax payers are shoving out $$$. So at the end of this Charade... the Chinese just sit back and laugh at this **** show. BTW, it's not just the Chinese, it's almost everyone else in the world...
Some of you are just narrow focus into the Chinese for what ever reason.... Psst and for what ever reason.... some of you think the Chinese only do business with just USofA...

The tactic is shoot everything up in the air and see what lands and falls where.... you guys remember the old saying.... "Where there is Chaos, there is opportunity...." That is where the best bargains are made.

America exports to China in 2016 were $169.8 billion, American imports From China were $478.8 billion.

Losing $168 billion in a 19 billion economy will hurt a lot less than losing $500 billion in a 11 trillion economy.

I wish they would get rid of that special shipping deal where a store in China can ship an item to anywhere in America for like $1.50. To ship that same product to the same customer costs me $6. These guys have infested Amazon and you do not find out until after your purchase that it will take 30 days to ship.
 

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While I may not be able to wrap my brain around all the complexities of these tariffs. I believe something needs to be done. As I've made my way thru life I've noticed that the ways we are currently going isn't conducive to our well being as a society. The little things that people need to survive, food, clothing, housing is getting harder and harder to get. one job often isn't enough. There are able bodied people on the streets begging because they can make more there than working. Somethings wrong with this picture.

The tariffs may not be the answer but it beats everyones solution of doing nothing.

Tariffs are import taxes used to equalize prices between nations or to protect a nation's industries. In America, it is one of the main taxing rights the Federal government has and IMHO, he Federal government should put tariffs on all imports and eliminate the Federal Income tax so that American workers are not subsidizing the worlds workers.

Every nation has tariffs on American products, this helps them maintain a trade imbalance.

The humor in all this is that the countries complaining the most about American tariffs are the ones who impose the highest tariffs on American products.
 

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Planned obsolescence. Fridges are not supposed to last more than 10 years. I recently saw an article by an appliace repair tech. He pointed out problems in every major brand, even the high end luxury ones.
My guess is you might have issues with new GE too. It's hard to compare new against 15 years ago. Like the saying goes, they dont build 'em like they used too...

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There's not that many tool manufacturer's in the USA currently. It takes 5 seconds to figure out where a rebranded US made item on the tool truck comes from with a Google search. With their limited manufacturing capacity and even inability in some cases to make certain things, on so much that be done to pick up the slack. New factories take time to be built and are built on a very long term outlook. Imported stuff from China will probably still be way cheaper and it will just be more convenient to apply the tariff or do some strategic maneuvering like Harbor Freight with their tool boxes.
 

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America exports to China in 2016 were $169.8 billion, American imports From China were $478.8 billion.

Losing $168 billion in a 19 billion economy will hurt a lot less than losing $500 billion in a 11 trillion economy.

I wish they would get rid of that special shipping deal where a store in China can ship an item to anywhere in America for like $1.50. To ship that same product to the same customer costs me $6. These guys have infested Amazon and you do not find out until after your purchase that it will take 30 days to ship.

Here is the thing most don't think about these trade... for one thing. it is not like if we tariff them 1000% for products that is bring to this country, there are currently no infrastructure in place to make some of those competing products. This is not exactly that field of dream scenario if you tax them they will come back deal. Apple was a special case...but the cost of moving portion of the production back to the US is at the cost of tax payers. at the end we are paying double for apple products from hidden taxes... those $4 billion don't magically just appear. because we just tariff.... Apple is a higher end products... now what about the lower end... who is going to work at those below the minimum wage jobs to produce a product at a price point... robots you say? really.... they are going to put more people out of work than this tariff brings "back" So you say fine, there are plenty others... Carrier how much we paid ? yes We Paid.... for them to partially stay? so how much of the sweet heart deal we can hand out before we are broke?

lets take you for instance.... both products you sell cost you $6 to ship but cost the other guy $1.50.... so assume both of you guys are selling the same product probably the exact same product, made in China stuff? Your cost is $6 no matter what not because of other factors.... Now your product cost $6 to ship their product cost $6 to ship after tariff equals the playing field... but now there is a tariff on products coming from China... lets say the same product... now your product cost $8 to ship and their stuff cost $6... at the end of the day, you'll still be unhappy of the outcome and complains... and every one loses.... because no one now can afford any products.

Losing $168 billion in a 19 billion economy will hurt a lot less than losing $500 billion in a 11 trillion economy.

lets say we seize to deal with China for some weird reason.
China missed out those $168Billion of products the USA ships them..
and We saved $500 billions of $. amazing figures doesn't it.

But is it really?
We are going to have to figure a way to source those $500 billions worth of products from somewhere else right *supply and demand from your micro/Macro economy? No. or we are just going to pocket those $500 Billion and give it tax free to those people for every citizen in the USA? Number lies. but it does makes a statement more important.

There is about two choices right...
A)We are going to make it here in the USA... right. just simple puffs the muffin is baked. Lets just use apple's case... Foxconn is happy to take those $4 and move their factories here .... and kept their factories back in china for other markets.... like I said it's a win win for fox-conn and their silent partners... probably not so much for US.

B) we are going to source it from some one else, probably not cheaper, but then you'll end up with another trade deficit again.... remember Japan in the 80s.... maybe you are just too young or too blind... or just too narrow vision...?
 
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Planned obsolescence. Fridges are not supposed to last more than 10 years. I recently saw an article by an appliace repair tech. He pointed out problems in every major brand, even the high end luxury ones.

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Didn't they have that in the 80s with automakers "supposedly".... and see what happened.... Honda, Toyota sneaked in with a quality low buck car that kicked all big 3 to the side....
 

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****, my head hurts after reading that mess...
:wtf:

Here is the thing most don't think about these trade... for one thing. it is not like if we tariff them 1000% for products that is bring to this country, there are currently no infrastructure in place to make some of those competing products. This is not exactly that field of dream scenario if you tax them they will come back deal. Apple was a special case...but the cost of moving portion of the production back to the US is at the cost of tax payers. at the end we are paying double for apple products from hidden taxes... those $4 billion don't magically just appear. because we just tariff.... Apple is a higher end products... now what about the lower end... who is going to work at those below the minimum wage jobs to produce a product at a price point... robots you say? really.... they are going to put more people out of work than this tariff brings "back" So you say fine, there are plenty others... Carrier how much we paid ? yes We Paid.... for them to partially stay? so how much of the sweet heart deal we can hand out before we are broke?

lets take you for instance.... both products you sell cost you $6 to ship but cost the other guy $1.50.... so assume both of you guys are selling the same product probably the exact same product, made in China stuff? Your cost is $6 no matter what not because of other factors.... Now your product cost $6 to ship their product cost $6 to ship after tariff equals the playing field... but now there is a tariff on products coming from China... lets say the same product... now your product cost $8 to ship and their stuff cost $6... at the end of the day, you'll still be unhappy of the outcome and complains... and every one loses.... because no one now can afford any products.



lets say we seize to deal with China for some weird reason.
China missed out those $168Billion of products the USA ships them..
and We saved $500 billions of $. amazing figures doesn't it.

But is it really?
We are going to have to figure a way to source those $500 billions worth of products from somewhere else right *supply and demand from your micro/Macro economy? No. or we are just going to pocket those $500 Billion and give it tax free to those people for every citizen in the USA? Number lies. but it does makes a statement more important.

There is about two choices right...
A)We are going to make it here in the USA... right. just simple puffs the muffin is baked.
B) we are going to source it from some one else, probably not cheaper, but then you'll end up with another trade deficit again.... remember Japan in the 80s.... maybe you are just too young or too blind... or just too narrow vision...?
 

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****, my head hurts after reading that mess...
:wtf:

LMFAO.... if it is that simple, it wouldn't call a mess.... so just tighten your belts and cross your fingers. at least for another few years.

means ???
 

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My guess is you might have issues with new GE too. It's hard to compare new against 15 years ago. Like the saying goes, they dont build 'em like they used too...

Get yourself a Speed Queen

15 years? I think its more like 30-40 years for overbuilt appliances. People have been saying that since the 90s. I do think brand matters and you definitely get what you pay for.

Ugh looking to buy a lift soon, was wondering if anyone knows if these are going up, might be a good excuse to pull the trigger now

My guess is its too late but I see no reason why companies like Bendpak wont be effected. Unless they had plenty of markup to eat it (the tariffs) any company with an ounce of financial sense already factored it into their most recent round of price updates meaning people should have been paying "tariff" prices for the last few months.
 
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Combine the tariff price increases with the states collecting sales tax on internet purchases from out of state and price increases will be significant.
 

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I'm amazed how well people understand simple economics.

An imported floor jack is $79 and an American-made model is $350.

If you buy the imported Jack you have a floor jack and $271 left in your bank account.

If you buy the American made Jack, you'll support an American company (maybe ,unless it's some international conglomerate) and some American jobs, but at what point does that $271 end up back in your checking account?

Will we get it back in higher wages and or lower cost-of-living? That should work well.

Over the past few years, many American companies have profitable, by using imported steel or other components.

Now they are screwed as well, but that is something that we should be cheering about. :rolleyes:

The saddest irony is, that most Americans probably could not afford a $350 floor jack even if they wanted one.

This "cut off your nose to spite your face" mentality prevalent today is not going to turn out very well imo

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The only thing that will happen...

We (the US)… will lose hundreds of thousands of jobs

We (the US)… will add a few hundred manufacturing jobs

We (everyone everywhere)… will pay more for everything

Please. Don't be nieve. Sorry your girl lost.
 

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The Chinese don't need us as badly as we think, and they hold the proverbial drumpf card--they can just ask to cash in all those US Treasury bonds they own.

The tariffs will only serve to increase the cost to the consumer and line the pockets of the already-wealthy.

ROFL.


So they'll nuke the economy of one of their top trading partners and absorb huge levels of bad debt (more debts than cash in circulation). :lol_hitti
 

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Please. Don't be nieve. Sorry your girl lost.

Yup. Perhaps increasing costs, temporarily reducing demand, can be used as leverage to dissuade predatory production policies. ASSuming a trade deal isn't reached as a compromise first. "Trade war" has been going on for what, a week? I'm doing fine.
 

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You guys do realize... all that deficit is owned by American companies right... if 500B of goods is imported from China... it is being imported from AMERICAN companies doing business in China... American companies are getting a profit from the deficit...

The argument well... those American companies should be using US employees... well yea... but the fight isn't with China... it's with our OWN companies... so don't buy their products. Don't buy Apple phones, Ipads, or any other products with an American name on it... made in China... Dewalt, Milwaukee, just about everything... Your TV, Your car parts, the nails your house is put together with.

So we do this... boycott all of that... do you really think those companies will start making the stuff here?... nope... too expensive... it's all about profit... can't make any money paying $50k a year when you can pay a third party $5K a year for the same thing.
 
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People seem really set on the idea that these tariffs will, "stick it to Chinese manufacturing!" Its the emotional payoff, right? We're getting back at China for filling our big box stores with their "junk" products. "Oh boy! BRING ON ALL THE TARIFFS! The more the better!"

And maybe, there'll be some positive improvements...an increase in sales of existing American made goods. Maybe some expanded domestic production at existing companies. Better yet, new American companies building new factories to make products we haven't seen made here in decades. No doubt, that would be very cool.

But the narrative that "China's gonna lose" doesn't own up to the reality that, with VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, its American companies that are filling the stores with China made goods, that American families are freely buying those China made goods either intentionally or out of ignorance of their COO, and that in many cases the final buying decision is constrained by the consumer's budget. The pain of these tariffs, especially as the number of affected products grow, will eventually result in job losses at the affected American companies, an increase in small business failures, hardships on American families with ever shrinking budgets, and a net increase in inflation that will hurt the entire American economy. Ugly painful stuff.

Put another way. If we assume the administration is right, and taraffs are the necessary mechanism to really "MAGA," I think we need to rightly acknowledge that our fellow Americans are going to be on the front lines of this tariff battle with China made goods. Maybe it'll work out for the better, or maybe it won't.

However, I think this "cheering" for tariffs like it's some Cowboys vs Eagles game is, frankly, stupid and thoughtless given the negative impact it's gonna have on hardworking but low income Americans. Maybe a little extra sober thought and prayer (if that's your thing) might be more appropriate.
 

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People seem really set on the idea that these tariffs will, "stick it to Chinese manufacturing!" Its the emotional payoff, right? We're getting back at China for filling our big box stores with their "junk" products. "Oh boy! BRING ON ALL THE TARIFFS! The more the better!"



And maybe, there'll be some positive improvements...an increase in sales of existing American made goods. Maybe some expanded domestic production at existing companies. Better yet, new American companies building new factories to make products we haven't seen made here in decades. No doubt, that would be very cool.



But the narrative that "China's gonna lose" doesn't own up to the reality that, with VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, its American companies that are filling the stores with China made goods, that American families are freely buying those China made goods either intentionally or out of ignorance of their COO, and that in many cases the final buying decision is constrained by the consumer's budget. The pain of these tariffs, especially as the number of affected products grow, will eventually result in job losses at the affected American companies, an increase in small business failures, hardships on American families with ever shrinking budgets, and a net increase in inflation that will hurt the entire American economy. Ugly painful stuff.



Put another way. If we assume the administration is right, and taraffs are the necessary mechanism to really "MAGA," I think we need to rightly acknowledge that our fellow Americans are going to be on the front lines of this tariff battle with China made goods. Maybe it'll work out for the better, or maybe it won't.



However, I think this "cheering" for tariffs like it's some Cowboys vs Eagles game is, frankly, stupid and thoughtless given the negative impact it's gonna have on hardworking but low income Americans. Maybe a little extra sober thought and prayer (if that's your thing) might be more appropriate.



Well, when it comes to "cheering for Tariffs 's" maybe it's more of a matter of "monkey see -monkey do!"

important global trade used to be negotiated.

Now it's tweeted.


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I think part of the frustration is that we negotiated our jobs away with decades old trade agreements. Will they come back because of new Tariffs? No. but it makes for a good talking point. Tariffs have been around for centuries, nothing new here...
 
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