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knightryda01

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So I built a little pole barn last year. The barn is 16x36 and I was kind of curious as to how it will affect my property value. No concrete floor yet or anything. I've been working to much to do anything to it as of yet. So I get my assessment from the city and the value of my house went up $1000.

Now on one hand I am kind of bummed out yet on the other less money I have to pay in taxes, but I got right around $3000 into this building. I was hoping to get my money back in added value.

I am almost wondering if I can protest the value since I have no concrete floor is it considered a permanent structure even though poles are in the ground?

 
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jayfl77

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It's just a tax assessment and not the real value of the house, I would want it to be as low as possible to pay less taxes. Realtors don't judge how much your house is worth when you go to sell it on a tax assessment, it's based on what similarly sized houses and properties have gone for in the surrounding area.
 

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Each state, and maybe city in some areas, are different. Where I live the state mandated assessment ratio is 11%. So here that would translate into an assessor placing the fair market value at $about $ 9100 and the taxable value at 11%, or $1000. You should check with your state and/or city to see what the market value was determined to be by the taxing agency.
 
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I wouldn't say a thing to the "powers that be" about it.

A few years ago in my neck of the woods, they reappraised pretty much everyone's property in the area.

I received a notice that there would be people out measuring buildings and so on and they would have I.D. and the notice had a number to call if I was suspicious of anyone on the property.

One day a couple of gals were measuring the pole barn (24x40) and so I went out and talked with them, they showed me their I.D. and paperwork, etc.

A couple of months later I received a notice that my property value went up $4000 and there would be a date and time for rebuttal if i wanted to protest the hike.

I went to the meeting and was asked how long the pole building had been there. I said since 1986. They claimed they had no record of the building.

I told them they should being I got a building permit before construction. They fumbled with some papers on the desk and couldn't find anything about it.

Then they asked me about another 1 car garage that's on the property. I told them it was there when I moved in.

One of the gentlemen on the board asked the rest of them, "Are you talking about the small green 1 car garage next to the road?"

They responded "Yes."

The gentleman said "That garage was there when my grandparents lived there back in the 1960's."

They claimed they had no record of that being on the property either.

Then I was told that I should be THANKFUL because I hadn't been paying taxes on the outbuildings all these years.

Now my property is on a rather well traveled road and not down a big long country lane hidden by trees. HOW in the wide world they couldn't see these buildings over the years is beyond me.

So, after this long winded response I say again, Don't say anything about it.

Just my 2¢.
 

littlebritishcar

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Start here: http://www.michigan.gov/taxes/0,1607,7-238-43535---,00.html

Every state is different and every city and/or county applies state law a little differently. Google the local assessor's website and they should have appeal instructions. Be happy you are not in California. We assess the contribution value that the structure adds to the overall market value of the property, regardless of actual cost to construct, so that pole barn could add a $10,000 to $40,000 assessment here, which is taxed at 1% of the assessed value annually plus local bonds, etc. The assessment also gets a 2% inflationary bump every year under Prop 13.
 

brownbagg

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only went up a $1000, damn you lucky, i be awful quiet about it, usually they raise you $40,000
 

Hpozzuoli

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I want the cheapest assessment I can get.

Sometimes I can't even figure out how they get these values. The assessments in my neighborhood are all over the place for similar properties.
 

themiller

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Don't say a word. Be happy you got off cheap!

Wanting a bigger assessment is wanting a bigger tax bill... I guess whatever floats your boat.

Nice barn by the way!
 

SALIV8

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The lower the better..

I wouldn't put much faith in the assessment in regards to reflecting value of the property.

The less amount of money you pay each year, the better, right?

I don't get it..
 

gearhead9056

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I agree don't worry about tax value being lower than market value, My last tax value showed 80k less on my property than market value and all I thought was "oh darn less taxes" and then went on with my day
 

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It's just a tax assessment and not the real value of the house, I would want it to be as low as possible to pay less taxes. Realtors don't judge how much your house is worth when you go to sell it on a tax assessment, it's based on what similarly sized houses and properties have gone for in the surrounding area.

+1 :thumbup:
 

elm_street

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hail Canada!!!, for being smarter than the USA,this one time,ghetto rats and the rich,all pay taxes on the same things there,in the USA,property tax pays which means 50 percent of these unloved trash bags get off free of charge while i pay till i die.have a nice day:sad:

We pay property taxes in Canada too and the property taxes include a school board portion. We also have the assessment stuff on properties that is used to calculate taxes. For the three houses I have owned the tax assessment has always been at least 20% less than the market value, sometimes close to 40%.
 

LandR

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$1000 increase in assessed value should not really change your taxes.

What's your millage rate 1 or 2%?

Not really a big deal.
 

johninct

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Are you crazy, you want your assessment to go down not up. If that were me, my total assessed value would have doubled. I am speaking as someone who went to court over their assessment and won.
 
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Diesel Dan

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Lucky you!
When we were in Michigan they raised my assessment for a barn with concrete and elec of which it had neither. Then I couldn't get it lowered.
 

Falcon67

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Here we assess property at market. Our shop was appraised at $25,000. So my word to the OP is much complaint about nothing.
 

mygarageone

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Wanting your assessment upped is like wanting a tooth ache , assessments do not automatically mean that's the value.
Value is determine by the seller , buyer and. Market your in.

Hey my wife is a tax assessor for 3 areas and people want them either lowered or raised , can't please anyone.
 

Moose02

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assessed value has nothing to do with appraised value, most get that confused usually there is a multiplier to establish the tax rate it could be all over the map. in my town it is 85%

when assessors come out and do a town they try to get the assessment to 100% then they usually balance out the mulitplier which usually will go down if you were at 85 then went to 100
 

Charles (in GA)

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Lots of different terms for the same thing. Fair Market Value, True Value, 100% Value. All of these mean the value your house is worth on the open market.

Assessed value varies from state to state. Some, like Georgia, use 40% of Fair Market Value for the Assessed value. Some use some other percentage, others simply use the full value (Fair Market, 100%, etc).

The Governing authority that levys taxes such as municipalities, Counties, Townships, School boards, library boards, mosquito control districts, water authorities, etc, all take the total assessed value as determined by the assessors, for the area in question, say, a county, and divide that number into their budget, and arrive at a millage rate to calculate your taxes on. (thats how its supposed to work anyhow).

Some states offer very little training for assessors, others have programs set up to help standardize the assessments. Many Assessors belong to professional organizations, either in their state (for example, in Georgia it is the Georgia Association of Assessing Officials, GAAO) or a national/international organization such as the International Association of Assessing Officials, IAAO). These organizations, esp the IAAO offer training and classes to help assessors do their job properly and fairly.

In Georgia we are rather lucky to have a very through training program which is mandated by the legislature and conducted by the Ga Dept of Revenue. It consists of numerous courses on various aspects of assessing, and also testing and certification. The goal is to make the process as fair as possible and consistent throughout the state.

Here is how one Georgia county has it posted on their web site.

Mathematics of Property Tax
To determine the amount of your property taxes, several values are needed. These values are the Fair Market Value (FMV), Assessed Value (ASV), and the Millage Rate. The Millage rate is determined by the proposed budget divided by the tax digest. The Millage Rate is defined as dollars per $1,000.00 of assessed value. Example: 2009 unincorporated rate is .026977 which equals $26.98 per $1000.00 of assess value.The Millage Rates for Columbia County are listed below.

Fair Market Value (FMV) X 40%=Assessed Value

Assessed Value (ASV) X Millage = Tax

Tax digest = Total of all Assessments

Millage Rate = Proposed Budget divided by Tax digest

Millage is usually expressed as dollars per $1,000.00 of Assessed Value

Example: In 2009, the County millage rate was set at .026977. The ASV of property with a FMV of $100,000 would be 40%, or $40,000. Multiply the ASV of $40,000 by the millage rate of .026977 to get a close estimate of the property tax amount. In this example, property tax would be approximately $1,079.08.


Also remember that homestead exemptions are usually taken off the assessed value. Thus in the example above, the $40,000 assessed value if homesteaded would be reduced another $2,000 to $38,000. Elderly get more exemptions, and 100% service connected disabled veterans get a huge $50,000+ exemption, so in the example above, the 100% service connected disabled veteran would pay no taxes at all.

The millage rate for all the various taxing authorities that you have to pay to, are added together to determine your total millage rate. Many cities do their own billing, some pay the county to collect it for them. Remember, the schools represent the largest single portion of your taxes in almost every circumstance.

HERE IS A LIST OF ALL TAXING AUTHORITIES IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA FOR YEAR 2013 AND THEIR MILLAGE RATES, BY COUNTY Not all of these may apply to any one individual as some of the tax districts do not cover an entire county or city. If you go through this list, you will find some 60 some odd incorporated municipalities that DO NOT levy taxes (the City of LaGrange is probably the largest of these). Most of these "make their money" by charging rather high rates for basic services such as garbage and water and sewer. In some cases, the cities own the electric system for the town (Newnan for example) and also the cable TV systems. Lots of ways to make money, including aggressive enforcement by police.

Charles
 
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DekeT

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This is the definition of "don't look a gift horse in the mouth".
 
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knightryda01

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Guess you learn something new every day. I was under the impression that the assessment was the basic value of your house. I know a appraisal is what really matters but I thought the assessment as a pretty good factor in it.

Not wanting to pay more in taxes. Just wanted a higher house value... lol :3gears:
 

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here in Ohio I built a 36 X 54 attached garage and it didn't change my taxes at all. We are taxed on living space only. My deck is 1/2" off the house, not attached and not taxed. My front porch is wood deck not concrete and not taxed. I would look real hard at your local rules
 

DekeT

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here in Ohio I built a 36 X 54 attached garage and it didn't change my taxes at all. We are taxed on living space only. My deck is 1/2" off the house, not attached and not taxed. My front porch is wood deck not concrete and not taxed. I would look real hard at your local rules

I am not clear what point you are trying to make here. He originally wanted more assessment for his garage, not less. After reading the responses he surmised he received a generous assessment because it keeps his taxes lower. No local rules in Michigan.
 

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Guess you learn something new every day. I was under the impression that the assessment was the basic value of your house. I know a appraisal is what really matters but I thought the assessment as a pretty good factor in it.

Not wanting to pay more in taxes. Just wanted a higher house value... lol :3gears:

Ayuh,.... Look at it this way,...

Numbers don't lie, they just don't always tell the same truths,...

Yer Assessment, is like yer financial statement at Tax Time,...
Ya wanta show yer poorer than dirt, 'n No profit,.....

Yer Appraisal, is like yer financial statement when yer beggin' a Banker for a mortgage or some other venture,...
Ya wanta look like yer livin' life Large, with an 860 fico score,... ;)
 
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