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Techs: How to Get Wheels Mounted Without Damage?

BQuicksilver

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I recently purchased a new set of wheels for my BMW and of course want to get them mounted up without damage. It seems like a simple request, yet every time I get wheels mounted there is damage. Almost always on the inside barrel, and often even some on the outside face.

1) Is it realistic to expect them not to leave deep gouges on the inner face of the wheel? Can I ask them to use some form of softer jaws? I've asked before and it's almost like tire shops consider this damage "normal".

2) How can I let the tech/manager know that I expect the wheels to remain in new condition without coming across like an ******* customer?

I appreciate these guys work hard for a lowish wage, but I feel like every time I get tires mounted I'm the only one who expects good work.
 
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What kind of machine are these shops using? Just about every shop around here has been using a tire machine that is "touchless" and i've NEVER had an issue.
 

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Ive never had an issue. Just say the wheels are a soft alloy and to please watch the finish. If they gouge it they bought it. Simple.
 

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As suggested, see if you can find a shop that has a touchless tire machine and a tech that takes pride in their work. Also sometimes the damage is done because the job is being performed with dirty equipment. When you schedule the appointment ask to speak to whoever is doing the work (as you say in #2). You have a genuine concern and there is no harm in politely relaying that.
 

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If they have experience just about any shop, with or without the latest and greatest, can accommodate your request. Just express your concerns up front and don't show up at closing time. Nice people ask questions and express concerns, jerks make accusations and demands. A writer wont have any problem with you asking for a tire mount and mentioning you're very concerned about rim damage due to past experiences with other shops. You can try to talk to a tech but most businesses wont let customers do that these days. Worst case scenario leave a note taped to the dash expressing your concerns as well.
 
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I've struggled with that for many years. One time I had a flat and this guy swears he's so good he wouldn't scratch them, yet what do you know he does so right in front of me by grabbing that tire iron wedge and pressing down on the edge trying to get the tire off. It seems to me the biggest more well known stores will have the money to back it up and buy you a new rim, providing you make it very clear to the manager before they do the work. I'm a big fan of Costco for that reason alone.

I also don't allow crimped wheel weights on aluminum wheels ! Those are only for steel wheels. Give me taped on weights and then I'll go home and cover them correctly with alum tape so they don't come off.
 

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If you have new tires to mount you can actually do it yourself without a machine or lever.

Start with a piece of old carpeting about twice the size of the wheel. Lay the wheel on top pf the carpet, lubricate the tire where it starts to touch the wheel, press down using your entire body. The second edge of the tire is tricky and may require more hands. There are several videos on you tube. Hint, leave the tires in the sun so that they are nice and warm.



SEGUE - The best tire lube (IMHO) was Murphy's Oil Soap paste. It have been out of production for over 5 years. The best I have seen is NO-Mar Tire Lube Paste. Only 1 source and $15 is way over priced (although that jar is likely a lifetime supply for the average shade tree mechanic).

The other alternative is Ru-Glyde. It is a liquid.

What is you favorite tire mount lube ?
 

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ajsgarage

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I recently purchased a new set of wheels for my BMW and of course want to get them mounted up without damage. It seems like a simple request, yet every time I get wheels mounted there is damage. Almost always on the inside barrel, and often even some on the outside face.

1) Is it realistic to expect them not to leave deep gouges on the inner face of the wheel? Can I ask them to use some form of softer jaws? I've asked before and it's almost like tire shops consider this damage "normal".

2) How can I let the tech/manager know that I expect the wheels to remain in new condition without coming across like an ******* customer?

I appreciate these guys work hard for a lowish wage, but I feel like every time I get tires mounted I'm the only one who expects good work.

Your request is very realistic. I've done it many times without ANY damage. At the shop I was at, even a small scratch WASNT acceptable. And that is why we had people bring in rare 1 year only wheels for their classic car, Mercedes AMG rims that can be $1K+ or even once a lamborghini rim, $2500 to replace if I scratched it.

The trick is, the tech has to have his brain screwed in right, and the shop has to have the proper machine.

The scratches/gouges you have on the "inner face" are due to the rimclamps jaws pushing out to clamp the wheel to the machine.
Todays fancy aluminum wheels are very soft, and you CANNOT clamp it to the machine like this if you do not want damage
The tech has to clamp to the bead of the wheel instead. So instead of the jaws expanding outward to press against the wheel, the tech will open the jaws all the way, and have them compress in to grip on the bead, where the tire and wheel usually seal together.

And ANY damage on the outer face is complete technician negligence. This damage is caused by the machines "duckbill" coming in contact with the wheel. The technician must position the duckbill properly for every wheel that goes on the machine. Properly setup, the duckbill will be close enough to the wheel to push the tire onto/off the wheel, but improperly setup and the duckbill will rub against the wheel as the tire presses against it. The technician must set it up properly, and be able to account for possible flex in the machine that may push the duckbill closer to the wheel.
For 100% assurance that no wheel damage will happen due to a duckbill, machine manufactures offer nylon/plastic duckbills that will not damage a wheel if they rub against them. We had one on our old Coats machine. They are a wear item, you have to replace them. It was about yearly replacement for us. They cost some, but are worth every penny. I could mount some REALLY stiff low profile runflats with no issue, those tires would flex the arm the duckbill is on A LOT, and I had no worries with a nylon duckbill.

So yes, your request is VERY realistic, and I have personally completed it many times myself to the customers I worked with.

You mention softer jaws. Coats also offers plastic covers to go over the jaws to help aid in protecting wheels. The plastic covers do wear out over time, and have to be replaced. I didnt use these covers (didnt need to, clamped it as I explained above), but they are available.

You are not an ******* customer for expecting perfection. Because there ARE shops out there who expect that of themselves. Be upfront with the manager, and take photos before your expensive wheels are worked on.
I actually took photos of any damage on the wheel when the car arrived, to prove that it wasnt us who did that damage. When I finished a wheel, it went back on just as it came.
Tell the manager you expect them to be this way, and if his shop is not capable, you will take it elsewhere.


also, I may be new here (hello everyone) but please dont listen to oldwizard's post above. You do not weigh enough to push a low profile BMW tire onto its rim, sorry. you could mount a P235/75/15 pickup tire on a hot sunny day his way, but no way in hell you're doing that on yours.
and murphy's is still made. We bought it by the 5 gallon bucket. Google Murphy's tire soap if you don't believe me.
 
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I've been using Discount Tire for the last few years. They have up to date machines with soft jaws and do a good job without marring. They know me by name in there though and know I am pretty particular when comes down to the hand polished aluminum rallyes I have on my truck.
Just went through a session with the front wheels and bad valve stems a couple of weeks ago. They did a good job, no scratches and a simple hand polishing cleaned off the bead lube and finger prints.
Mark
 

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Don't be that ******* we had a few weeks ago that accused me of BENDING his wheels. That was a first.

Oh and he accused me of breaking the passenger side door handle? Wtf would I open your passenger side door handle for :lol:
 
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I have had the same problem. I find that if you explain nicely that you have perfect wheels and you want to know if they can mount the tires and keep them that way please, it goes a long way.

I have been mostly luck with this approach. The time I was unlucky, they paid for a repair.

If I had a super car, I would not settle for a repair. They never look perfect to me.
 

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Ive never had an issue. Just say the wheels are a soft alloy and to please watch the finish. If they gouge it they bought it. Simple.

Agree 100%
Happened to me once, boy was the guy shitting his pants.
Nothing pisses me off then somebody other than myself ruining something I worked hard for, especially when it comes to my car.:shocking:
 

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Why not have your BMW dealer do it? They deal with this sort of thing every day, and know how to do it properly.
 

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Ha, try getting a powder coated motorcycle rim change without damaging it

The guys at bike shops are worse. Three times I had tires put on a CBR and all three times the shop had to pay to get them re powder coated. What a pain.

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Ha, try getting a powder coated motorcycle rim change without damaging it

The guys at bike shops are worse. Three times I had tires put on a CBR and all three times the shop had to pay to get them re powder coated. What a pain.

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That's the nature of powder coat. I had some painted in Imron, and that was bulletproof.
 

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Well.... The last two changes I watched the idiot and the last quarter turn putting the tire on the arm that glides around close to the rim edge bent down a quarter inch and that is what dug into the powder coat.

Going to get more tires this weekend on a new bike using a guy recommended working out of his house. I shall see.

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Well.... The last two changes I watched the idiot and the last quarter turn putting the tire on the arm that glides around close to the rim edge bent down a quarter inch and that is what dug into the powder coat.

Going to get more tires this weekend on a new bike using a guy recommended working out of his house. I shall see.

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You could mount them yourself using big zip ties.

 

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I finally had enough of scratched/bent rims and decided to buy my own COATS 5060EX rim clamp tire changer. I bought a set of plastic booties that go over the clamps and have yet to ever scratch a rim.

Changing tires is not rocket science and just mandates that a technician simply care about what they are doing.

I've also done motorcycle wheels without any issue. Just had to remove the sprocket for better access. I also only use sticky weights and bought a COATS 1050 wheel balancer to balance my own wheels.

Altogether, I have roughly $900 into both machines, which I bought off of Craigslist and have changed more tires than I can count. When you consider that it easily costs $80-$120+ to swap 4 tires and perform balancing too, it's not hard to see how quickly these machines pay for themselves. Plus, tires are often cheaper and/or you can order even better ones than what's offered locally, without the price markup too.
 

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i work at an actual tire and vehicle repair store and i find it kind of hard to scratch a wheel when mounting a tire. Ive done some pretty crazy tire stretches and ultra low pros and they have come out with no scratches.
i would suggest taking your rims to a higher represented place. a tech should know that when he has a custom wheel that he should clamp it from the outside edge as to not cause those mark on the inside.
 
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