Thank You Williams!

[cheechi]

Here is a copy of what i found in 2013 post I wrote

I very much enjoyed that thread. this one is inferior.

 

[ADSR]

Try again. Snap On bought Williams in 1993....or 22 years ago.

My Supercombos are early vintage, same time frame as the Snappy's.

Send me tools (if you don't like my results) and I will try and test them. ....just don't expect me to pay for return shipping.

Wow! You're right. I didn't think it was that long ago.

 

[Strouty]

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Different shapes, but they all do the same thing.

 

[TangoFoxTrot]

This is what the retailer, Toolsdelivered.com said in the earlier referenced thread:

"Snap-On and the USA made Williams are ounce for ounce identical in steel strength and come out of the same plant off the same machines using the same raw material grades.

The differences are, and the only differences are the level of finish, handle styles, and stampings.

Snap-On tools are polished to be flawless before the are chromed or oxide finished, and when chromed they are nickel chromed heavily. This high quality finishing increases the cost 2 -3 times over Williams. As they say, there is a difference and side by side it is clearly obvious. Snap-On is jewelry.

Williams is not finished in the raw as well as Snap-On before finishing, chrome or oxide, and they are single plated chrome. It keeps the cost down for industrial users that don't want to pay for a high level of finish. "
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I tend to think the retailer is telling the truth. Whether the "prettier" chrome is worth the 600% or so markup is up to the buyer. It's not for me.

 

[ADSR]

This is what the retailer, Toolsdelivered.com said in the earlier referenced thread:

"Snap-On and the USA made Williams are ounce for ounce identical in steel strength and come out of the same plant off the same machines using the same raw material grades.

The differences are, and the only differences are the level of finish, handle styles, and stampings.

Snap-On tools are polished to be flawless before the are chromed or oxide finished, and when chromed they are nickel chromed heavily. This high quality finishing increases the cost 2 -3 times over Williams. As they say, there is a difference and side by side it is clearly obvious. Snap-On is jewelry.

Williams is not finished in the raw as well as Snap-On before finishing, chrome or oxide, and they are single plated chrome. It keeps the cost down for industrial users that don't want to pay for a high level of finish. "
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I tend to think the retailer is telling the truth. Whether the "prettier" chrome is worth the 600% or so markup is up to the buyer. It's not for me.

You're also not paying for the Tool Truck convenience for the warranty. You'd have to go seek out warranty on your on time.

 

[TangoFoxTrot]

You're also not paying for the Tool Truck convenience for the warranty. You'd have to go seek out warranty on your on time.

I think I could live with that and keep the thousands it would save me, but it's not for everyone.

 

[Kracin]

Here is a copy of what i found in 2013 post I wrote:

"Williams and Snap On are not the same. The steel and heat treats are different. Check the Snap On and the Williams on a Rockwell tester and report back with the results.

**Hint** The snappy is harder. Our Chief Metallurgist did some testing a few years ago and found there are big differences. I re-tested a handful of wrenches a few months back and re-confirmed the results.

Snap On: C-scale 55 (288,000 psi tensile/Brinell 560)
Williams: C-scale 50 (253,000 psi tensile/Brinell 481)"

Thread it came from:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213584&highlight=williams&showall=1


Wrenches used:

15 or so old Williams Supercombos (made when full polish/chrome wasn't offered)

15 year old Snap On 4 angle wrenches

And my offer still stands with regards to testing sockets as I posted in the above thread.

and then somebody mentioned right after that, that the wrenches are clearly different, and they were talking about sockets... like this thread.. you don't end up with williams wrenches in a package like you do apparently with snap-on and williams sockets.

 

[ADSR]

I think I could live with that and keep the thousands it would save me, but it's not for everyone.

Oh me too Williams, bahco and armstrong are my choice. You get amazing quality for the little we pay.

 

[SCscoutguy]

You're also not paying for the Tool Truck convenience for the warranty. You'd have to go seek out warranty on your on time.

I have read here where members warrantied their Williams tools on the Snap On truck before though?

 

[bob15]

and then somebody mentioned right after that, that the wrenches are clearly different, and they were talking about sockets... like this thread.. you don't end up with williams wrenches in a package like you do apparently with snap-on and williams sockets.

And how many posts have people saying Williams & Snap On: screwdrivers, wrenches and sockets are the same same, just a different stamping (including that thread)? Too many. People are still saying they are the same tool, wrenches included.

I was asked to give numbers which I did. Sorry if they don't agree with you, but if you want, send me a couple new Snap On & Williams sockets and I will run them through our hardness tester (or you could do it yourself ). I don't own, nor do I need any new Williams sockets, and my newest Snappy is probably 6-7 years old (and there any, I don't have any need to buy any new sockets).

Enjoy Friday

 

[bob15]

Wow! You're right. I didn't think it was that long ago.

Time flies by.......doesn't it?

 

[Kracin]

And how many posts have people saying Williams & Snap On: screwdrivers, wrenches and sockets are the same same, just a different stamping (including that thread)? Too many. People are still saying they are the same tool, wrenches included.

I was asked to give numbers which I did. Sorry if they don't agree with you, but if you want, send me a couple new Snap On & Williams sockets and I will run them through our hardness tester (or you could do it yourself ). I don't own, nor do I need any new Williams sockets, and my newest Snappy is probably 6-7 years old (and there any, I don't have any need to buy any new sockets).

Enjoy Friday

its not a big deal to me, if i had them id throw them in the rockwell at work as well. but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, .... you get the point. they are the same socket, the small difference in hardness may come from the extra plating as well... doesn't make the tool any stronger though

 

[cheechi]

Here's the situation, it is as close to a fact as really is knowable without inside info. Can we get a sticky or something? There's a lot of 'Williams experts' on GJ that seem to ignore any new or in depth info in threads like this when they come up.

The sockets are as described by TD above, basically the same just less steps with the Williams.

The screwdrivers are NOT the same shank or handle but are very similar. Some more clarification would be nice, as likely they are more similar than we have been told but less similar than 'exactly the same' like many have suggested.

The Bahco 80 tooth mechanism is NOT the same as the SO dual 80 but is very similar.

The wrenches are not the same stock, but the manufacturing processes are the same. It's not known for sure whether the similar 'fewer finishing steps' like the sockets is one of these differences. Whether it is just different molds or also different metallurgy hasn't really been discussed, but the finished product is the result of many differences in the wrenches from start to finish.

Williams Taiwan is almost all if not all Blue Point tools.