jesse72
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The video is great!
Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT The 12-Gauge Garage
- Thread starter Jack Olsen
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Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.
bulletpruf
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Me likey, too. Very nice use of the space.
Scott
Scott
Wingnut65
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Love the video! It tells the story of your love for your car, the car itself and the 12-Gauge garage, all in one video! 
If I'd see that Question of the Day, Yes, the 12-Gauge would have been in it. That an Jay's little place!
If I'd see that Question of the Day, Yes, the 12-Gauge would have been in it. That an Jay's little place!
Craptain
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Congratulations! There is some very prestigious company on that list.
GaleForce
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What a great story/thread. The video summed everything up nicely. Thank you for sharing!
And for whatever it's worth, the article has pushed the number for that Petrolicious video about my car and garage past half a million views. As of today, I see it's got 216,000 views where it's hosted on YouTube and 294,000 views where it's hosted on Vimeo. There's no real significance to that, except: wow, it's a lot of people looking at my garage.
I hate myself for thinking this, and laud you, for being in that business, and not saying it: monetize it, baby! Maybe demand $47 from Axe Body spray to put a banner up on the wall or something. It could pay for more galvanized heater duct...
Or Metabo? Or, heck, just do the nonprofit, grassroots thing, and advertise your favorite track time group. (PCA? Alfa Club? etc etc.)
bulletpruf
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Ok, so I haven't been through all 177 pages in this thread, but where's the air compressor? I'm assuming you have one. Curious to see where it's hiding.
Scott
Scott
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Thanks, everybody.
I appreciate the suggestion -- and I wouldn't ever rule anything out. But I'm happy with the garage and the website being commercial-free for now. I thought about sending Metabo a picture of the Hot Rod model using one of their grinders on the off chance that they might send me some product -- but I've already got too many grinders, really.
Having taken something I really loved (writing) and putting it into service as a way to make a living, I'm maybe more cautious than most about trying to turn other things I enjoy into a paycheck. When you get paid for something, you are no longer the boss.
Yes. Like PDACPA says, I've got it in the crawlspace under the house, with a line running out, under my deck, and into the garage. No noise, that way -- well, except in the house, but the compressor is in a box.
I have a sideways-mounted air reel in my main bench. You can see it in this 'during' picture:
And here it is finished:
I appreciate the suggestion -- and I wouldn't ever rule anything out. But I'm happy with the garage and the website being commercial-free for now. I thought about sending Metabo a picture of the Hot Rod model using one of their grinders on the off chance that they might send me some product -- but I've already got too many grinders, really.
Having taken something I really loved (writing) and putting it into service as a way to make a living, I'm maybe more cautious than most about trying to turn other things I enjoy into a paycheck. When you get paid for something, you are no longer the boss.
Yes. Like PDACPA says, I've got it in the crawlspace under the house, with a line running out, under my deck, and into the garage. No noise, that way -- well, except in the house, but the compressor is in a box.
I have a sideways-mounted air reel in my main bench. You can see it in this 'during' picture:
And here it is finished:
alpinewhite
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Jack, I would've accepted the free cabinets from Lista, if I were you.
bulletpruf
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Thanks for the compressor details, Jack. Love the air hose reel mount.
Scott
Scott
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A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
This was a purchase that came out differently than I planned. For awhile now, I've had a decent Cobra 6" grinder and an old (and pretty terrible) Harbor Freight 8" grinder. I've been keeping an eye out for a bigger grinder to replace the HF one, and I found an 8" (Big Red) Baldor for an okay price recently, and worked out a way to make it fit while I waited for it to get to California from Georgia.
This is where it started:
Based on the measurements, I could see that I was going to need to raise up my belt/disc sander in order to get enough clearance for the 13"-tall Baldor. So I threw together a very simple 2x4 base.
I painted it flat black so it wouldn't draw attention to itself.
It's attached with lag bolts -- and the rubber feet from the original unit got moved to the new base.
All done. I just have to wait for the Baldor.
It shows up, and -- I'm not happy from the moment I lift the box up -- it's actually a 7" model, less than half the weight of the one I was expecting and only 1/2 hp.
Pretty -- but not what I wanted. 7" discs are pretty hard to get, and it just is too close, functionally, to the Cobra -- which has more power (although it isn't as smooth or as cool-looking as the Baldor). Still, the Baldor is going back.
So that led to a problem. I now have a hole for a new grinder, and another week of searching produces no Baldor bargains.
But then this shows up on Craigslist. It takes me a few days to chase the price down, but it's a 12-amp, 1-hp 10" Milwaukee, from the early 1970s when the Milwaukee name really meant something and their grinders still used ball bearings.
It's heavy. With the base, we're talking about 186 pounds on my scale.
The weight of the grinder alone? 132 pounds.
I used the car lift to get it up on the bench. So, the ol' back is still working.
It's getting a little top-heavy, but the 'Swiss Army table' still fits the two bench grinders, belt/disc sander and band saw up top.
Someone put a wire wheel on one side of the Milwaukee. I might change that. But the thing runs as smooth as silk and has enough power to briefly dim the lights in the garage when it's switched on.
It's got two lighted eye guards. One of them has cracked glass, but that's an easy fix. Next up, I'll clean the storage rust off of it, bolt it down and see if it needs anything. As of now, I haven't even brushed the dust off.
After that, maybe it's going to get some paint. I have to admit though, I think once it's clean that the 40-or-so-year patina will look pretty good.
Does anyone else have one of these? Any advice?
This was a purchase that came out differently than I planned. For awhile now, I've had a decent Cobra 6" grinder and an old (and pretty terrible) Harbor Freight 8" grinder. I've been keeping an eye out for a bigger grinder to replace the HF one, and I found an 8" (Big Red) Baldor for an okay price recently, and worked out a way to make it fit while I waited for it to get to California from Georgia.
This is where it started:
Based on the measurements, I could see that I was going to need to raise up my belt/disc sander in order to get enough clearance for the 13"-tall Baldor. So I threw together a very simple 2x4 base.
I painted it flat black so it wouldn't draw attention to itself.
It's attached with lag bolts -- and the rubber feet from the original unit got moved to the new base.
All done. I just have to wait for the Baldor.
It shows up, and -- I'm not happy from the moment I lift the box up -- it's actually a 7" model, less than half the weight of the one I was expecting and only 1/2 hp.
Pretty -- but not what I wanted. 7" discs are pretty hard to get, and it just is too close, functionally, to the Cobra -- which has more power (although it isn't as smooth or as cool-looking as the Baldor). Still, the Baldor is going back.
So that led to a problem. I now have a hole for a new grinder, and another week of searching produces no Baldor bargains.
But then this shows up on Craigslist. It takes me a few days to chase the price down, but it's a 12-amp, 1-hp 10" Milwaukee, from the early 1970s when the Milwaukee name really meant something and their grinders still used ball bearings.
It's heavy. With the base, we're talking about 186 pounds on my scale.
The weight of the grinder alone? 132 pounds.
I used the car lift to get it up on the bench. So, the ol' back is still working.
It's getting a little top-heavy, but the 'Swiss Army table' still fits the two bench grinders, belt/disc sander and band saw up top.
Someone put a wire wheel on one side of the Milwaukee. I might change that. But the thing runs as smooth as silk and has enough power to briefly dim the lights in the garage when it's switched on.
It's got two lighted eye guards. One of them has cracked glass, but that's an easy fix. Next up, I'll clean the storage rust off of it, bolt it down and see if it needs anything. As of now, I haven't even brushed the dust off.
After that, maybe it's going to get some paint. I have to admit though, I think once it's clean that the 40-or-so-year patina will look pretty good.
Does anyone else have one of these? Any advice?
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Charles (in GA)
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
Be sure and use tempered glass for the eye guard. It will have to be cut to size first and then tempered. Local shop should be able to do that.
Charles
Be sure and use tempered glass for the eye guard. It will have to be cut to size first and then tempered. Local shop should be able to do that.
Charles
Nick Danger
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
Replace both sides with tempered glass. You can see that the original piece broke into glass daggers instead of nice safe cubes. Also, both guards will be the same color glass, which just looks better.
Replace both sides with tempered glass. You can see that the original piece broke into glass daggers instead of nice safe cubes. Also, both guards will be the same color glass, which just looks better.
Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
local glass company don't temper glass.......manufacturers do
I don't use the eye guards on my Baldor.....can't see because of dust etc
especially when grinding form tools and small drills
safety glasses only
local glass company don't temper glass.......manufacturers do
I don't use the eye guards on my Baldor.....can't see because of dust etc
especially when grinding form tools and small drills
safety glasses only
Outlawmws
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
Get some Lexan/Polycarbonate for the replacement lenses. 1/8 is probably adequate, 3/16 more than...
Get some Lexan/Polycarbonate for the replacement lenses. 1/8 is probably adequate, 3/16 more than...
cbacres
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
Jack, what a nice find. I like the 1725 rpm speed too, just a lot of down in the basement tourqe. I agree with you about the patina, but will it blend with your shop?
With that grinder, you can let it get up to speed, shut it off and still do your grinding task, come back a hour later to touch up and not have to turn back on
That would be a definite addition if I was lucky enough to come across.
I've seen a fair amount of 10" wheels on eBay for seems decent prices.
I second the motion for the poly eye shields. You could get a sheet and cut your own.
Craig
Jack, what a nice find. I like the 1725 rpm speed too, just a lot of down in the basement tourqe. I agree with you about the patina, but will it blend with your shop?
With that grinder, you can let it get up to speed, shut it off and still do your grinding task, come back a hour later to touch up and not have to turn back on
That would be a definite addition if I was lucky enough to come across.
I've seen a fair amount of 10" wheels on eBay for seems decent prices.
I second the motion for the poly eye shields. You could get a sheet and cut your own.
Craig
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A small glass shop will not temper glass. They will cut in and send it out. If you live in a decent sized city, there will be a larger shop that can temper glass.
A small glass shop will not temper glass. They will cut in and send it out. If you live in a decent sized city, there will be a larger shop that can temper glass.
volleyball
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
I've got the same pink big foot in my place.
I've got the same pink big foot in my place.
Craptain
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+1 on the Lexan.
Of course if you really want it original then go with glass. But if you want a tough working shield, go with Lexan. It will get scratched up eventually, but it easy and (relatively) cheap to replace and it will not break. It is the same stuff used for bulletproof windows.
An aside. Years ago a company truck was broken into by breaking out the 1/4 light on the drivers side. We could not get a quick replacement so I made one with Lexan. About a week later the thief apparently came back as we found a scuff mark on the Lexan, a hammer dropped nearby and what we took for blood drips on the concrete. Success!
+1 on the Lexan.
Of course if you really want it original then go with glass. But if you want a tough working shield, go with Lexan. It will get scratched up eventually, but it easy and (relatively) cheap to replace and it will not break. It is the same stuff used for bulletproof windows.
An aside. Years ago a company truck was broken into by breaking out the 1/4 light on the drivers side. We could not get a quick replacement so I made one with Lexan. About a week later the thief apparently came back as we found a scuff mark on the Lexan, a hammer dropped nearby and what we took for blood drips on the concrete. Success!
Outlawmws
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So I'm guessing the hammer hit the Lexan, bounced off, and hit the perpetrator in the head! PERFECT!
So I'm guessing the hammer hit the Lexan, bounced off, and hit the perpetrator in the head! PERFECT!
Fretters
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If only that had been caught on video.
About a week later the thief apparently came back as we found a scuff mark on the Lexan, a hammer dropped nearby and what we took for blood drips on the concrete. Success!
If only that had been caught on video.
OP
Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
Thanks, guys.
I'm on the fence about the eye guards. On the one hand, I can't imagine NOT wearing eye protection while grinding -- so who needs something in the way? On the other hand, the four bulbs provide some work light.
In any case, I'll look into cutting some Lexan for them if I use them -- or some kind of safety glass.
I'm no longer on the fence about paint. I got busy with a wire brush and some cleaner. I'm honestly not a big fan of the idea of tools being painted to match, but I've got a lot of this Anodized Bronze stuff on hand.
And with the plate and switch reinstalled.
There are some numbers cast into the case under where the plate goes. I don't know if this would give me a manufacture date or not. I'm pretty sure it's somewhere between 1968 and 1976, based on parts diagrams I've looked at. With the serial number or the stamped code, I'm sure someone out there could get a more specific number.
Thanks, guys.
I'm on the fence about the eye guards. On the one hand, I can't imagine NOT wearing eye protection while grinding -- so who needs something in the way? On the other hand, the four bulbs provide some work light.
In any case, I'll look into cutting some Lexan for them if I use them -- or some kind of safety glass.
I'm no longer on the fence about paint. I got busy with a wire brush and some cleaner. I'm honestly not a big fan of the idea of tools being painted to match, but I've got a lot of this Anodized Bronze stuff on hand.
And with the plate and switch reinstalled.
There are some numbers cast into the case under where the plate goes. I don't know if this would give me a manufacture date or not. I'm pretty sure it's somewhere between 1968 and 1976, based on parts diagrams I've looked at. With the serial number or the stamped code, I'm sure someone out there could get a more specific number.
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southalabama
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Go with tempered glass. I used it for a display case. The local glass shop took measurements and ordered it from their supplier.
Go with tempered glass. I used it for a display case. The local glass shop took measurements and ordered it from their supplier.
JSharp
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
nice set up
nice set up
Chuck122
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one thing about lexan is that it scratches really easy. it won't break but if there is grinding dust on it and you try to wipe it off, you will end up scratching it. for that application I really can't see it staying transparent really long. on the other hand it is much simpler to replace than glass. Also I do not know if hot grinding sparks would get lodged in it. If I were to put lenses in there, I'd go for the tempered glass but realistically, I would probably just remove them because I don't think they are worth the hassle of having the lens made. YMMV
one thing about lexan is that it scratches really easy. it won't break but if there is grinding dust on it and you try to wipe it off, you will end up scratching it. for that application I really can't see it staying transparent really long. on the other hand it is much simpler to replace than glass. Also I do not know if hot grinding sparks would get lodged in it. If I were to put lenses in there, I'd go for the tempered glass but realistically, I would probably just remove them because I don't think they are worth the hassle of having the lens made. YMMV
Zeke
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
The broken glass is likely laminated. Tempered would not be my first choice as it would shatter and could be driven in small pieces into your body. Laminated will stay together. Still a damn good idea to wear eye protection.
I agree that polycarbonate would also be a poor choice, but if enough of a sheet was purchased the lens could be renewed whenever needed.
Both laminated and poly can be cut at home.
The broken glass is likely laminated. Tempered would not be my first choice as it would shatter and could be driven in small pieces into your body. Laminated will stay together. Still a damn good idea to wear eye protection.
I agree that polycarbonate would also be a poor choice, but if enough of a sheet was purchased the lens could be renewed whenever needed.
Both laminated and poly can be cut at home.
OP
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It's interesting. The previous glass is probably original. And I'm pretty sure it was damaged in transport/storage, and not during use. The clever thing about the design is that it uses two pieces of glass on each side. So one can break while the other continues to protect the user, who then presumably would replace the broken one and not just wait for the second layer to be broken.
That aside, I got the rest of the painting done. Now I'm waiting on a wheel and some other hardware that should get here today or tomorrow.
It's interesting. The previous glass is probably original. And I'm pretty sure it was damaged in transport/storage, and not during use. The clever thing about the design is that it uses two pieces of glass on each side. So one can break while the other continues to protect the user, who then presumably would replace the broken one and not just wait for the second layer to be broken.
That aside, I got the rest of the painting done. Now I'm waiting on a wheel and some other hardware that should get here today or tomorrow.
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Chuck122
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if you could somehow put a cheater lens in there it would make the guards much more useful for detail work. just flip them out of the way when you do not need magnification, since you wear protective glasses anyway
if you could somehow put a cheater lens in there it would make the guards much more useful for detail work. just flip them out of the way when you do not need magnification, since you wear protective glasses anyway
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Zeke
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Interesting about the glass. You would think that non safety glass would just be a big no no. As such and since you may have the provision, you could make up a 3 layer lens yourself using 2 pieces of common glass with a piece of poly carbonate sandwiched in between. No bonding necessary if the holding fixture will contain the assembly.
I personally would rather have no glass than just float glass even at 1/4' thick. A cheater would be easy from the welding supply.
I picked up a grinding wheel out of my cabinet the other day and it fell into 2 pieces. Had I use that wheel sometime before it would have definitely exploded as soon as it got to speed.
Interesting about the glass. You would think that non safety glass would just be a big no no. As such and since you may have the provision, you could make up a 3 layer lens yourself using 2 pieces of common glass with a piece of poly carbonate sandwiched in between. No bonding necessary if the holding fixture will contain the assembly.
I personally would rather have no glass than just float glass even at 1/4' thick. A cheater would be easy from the welding supply.
I picked up a grinding wheel out of my cabinet the other day and it fell into 2 pieces. Had I use that wheel sometime before it would have definitely exploded as soon as it got to speed.
Zeke
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Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
BTW, Jack, the 1/2HP red one you sent back trumps my Baldor 1/3HP 6" model. I never looked until I saw this thread. For sharpening the 1/3HP is all I'll ever need. Buffing I can slow one down pretty easily. I'd like to have a 3/4 or 1HP with the extended spindles for that purpose some day.
BTW, Jack, the 1/2HP red one you sent back trumps my Baldor 1/3HP 6" model. I never looked until I saw this thread. For sharpening the 1/3HP is all I'll ever need. Buffing I can slow one down pretty easily. I'd like to have a 3/4 or 1HP with the extended spindles for that purpose some day.
OP
Re: A 12-amp addition to the 12-Gauge Garage
Zeke, I don't want to tempt you into what will no doubt be an overheated Ebay auction, but there's a 2HP single-phase (20 amp!) Baldor buffer that was used for a school out in West Covina. It makes me sick to my stomach to see school Shop programs taken apart, but there's nothing I can do about that during this auction -- currently at $103.
Thanks. I've got another wire wheel on the way, and also a finer-grit wheel. I'm still undecided on which one will go in initially.
And a few minutes ago, I got my new hardware. So I snuck out and filled the holes that used to hold the eye guards with set screws -- with a dab of nyloc stuff so they never vibrate loose. I can back them out if I want to reinstall the eye guards.
I also put in the spark arrestors (painted black) and the whole thing is looking... well, almost too pretty to use.
And at the end of the day, I drilled into the table and bolted the thing down.
Zeke, I don't want to tempt you into what will no doubt be an overheated Ebay auction, but there's a 2HP single-phase (20 amp!) Baldor buffer that was used for a school out in West Covina. It makes me sick to my stomach to see school Shop programs taken apart, but there's nothing I can do about that during this auction -- currently at $103.
Thanks. I've got another wire wheel on the way, and also a finer-grit wheel. I'm still undecided on which one will go in initially.
And a few minutes ago, I got my new hardware. So I snuck out and filled the holes that used to hold the eye guards with set screws -- with a dab of nyloc stuff so they never vibrate loose. I can back them out if I want to reinstall the eye guards.
I also put in the spark arrestors (painted black) and the whole thing is looking... well, almost too pretty to use.
And at the end of the day, I drilled into the table and bolted the thing down.
OP
Looking better:
Compared to what it used to be:
Compared to what it used to be:
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Dan in Pasadena
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Hi Jack!
Long time no talk, lol.
The grinder looks very nice.
I have a question: I also have similar tools to the ones on your "Swiss Army Table" and I'm wondering if having them all together and bolted down has presented a space or maneuverability issue much?
I ask because I'm considering doing something similar and I am concerned I'll be cursing my placement of one of the tools later. I'm thinking if the table has wheels and I can pull it into the middle of my shop when needed it SHOULD minimize problems with whatever I'm grinding, etc.
Long time no talk, lol.
The grinder looks very nice.
I have a question: I also have similar tools to the ones on your "Swiss Army Table" and I'm wondering if having them all together and bolted down has presented a space or maneuverability issue much?
I ask because I'm considering doing something similar and I am concerned I'll be cursing my placement of one of the tools later. I'm thinking if the table has wheels and I can pull it into the middle of my shop when needed it SHOULD minimize problems with whatever I'm grinding, etc.
vonhef
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That grinder looks nice!
OP
Thanks.
Dan, I keep the bench grinders bolted down, but let the band saw and the sander 'float' for the possibility that a big piece of material would cause a problem. So far, it's worked fine. But I spent some time with the whole configuration onbolted before I settled on the final positioning. (Then again, you can always unbolt a tool in a pinch.)
Here's the big grinder with a new wire wheel. I've also got a finer-grit wheel on the way and a wire wheel I can put into the six inch grinder. So I'll hopefully work out whatever configuration works best for the pair.
A tribute to US-made ball bearings and the good-old standards of Amerincan manufacturing: when you switch the 10" grinder off, it continues spinning for 2 minutes and 46 seconds before it finally comes to a stop.
Dan, I keep the bench grinders bolted down, but let the band saw and the sander 'float' for the possibility that a big piece of material would cause a problem. So far, it's worked fine. But I spent some time with the whole configuration onbolted before I settled on the final positioning. (Then again, you can always unbolt a tool in a pinch.)
Here's the big grinder with a new wire wheel. I've also got a finer-grit wheel on the way and a wire wheel I can put into the six inch grinder. So I'll hopefully work out whatever configuration works best for the pair.
A tribute to US-made ball bearings and the good-old standards of Amerincan manufacturing: when you switch the 10" grinder off, it continues spinning for 2 minutes and 46 seconds before it finally comes to a stop.
Outlawmws
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Awesome Job Jack!
Hot Chop shop
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Thanks.
Dan, I keep the bench grinders bolted down, but let the band saw and the sander 'float' for the possibility that a big piece of material would cause a problem. So far, it's worked fine. But I spent some time with the whole configuration onbolted before I settled on the final positioning. (Then again, you can always unbolt a tool in a pinch.)
Here's the big grinder with a new wire wheel. I've also got a finer-grit wheel on the way and a wire wheel I can put into the six inch grinder. So I'll hopefully work out whatever configuration works best for the pair.
A tribute to US-made ball bearings and the good-old standards of Amerincan manufacturing: when you switch the 10" grinder off, it continues spinning for 2 minutes and 46 seconds before it finally comes to a stop.
That turned out awesome! You're my hero. Your projects always inspire me!
Modern Jess
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Wow, the grinder came out nice. Good work!