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Well, the babysitter was out sick, so there was no time for grout today.

Still, you've gotta keep moving the ball toward the goal, So I welded on a 1" strip of steel around the perimeter of the top surface and got busy down below with a paintbrush.

Say hello to my little green friend. :)

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(The top looks like it isn't flat in this picture. I'm not sure why that is. I suspect it's distortion from the wide-angle setting on the camera.)
 
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Well done Jack. If I may suggest an alternate pad than the kids play area pad. Stop and pick up one of those truck tire recaps that fly off on the highway or get a chunk from a tire shop. Cut it into 4" to 6" squares and use them 'tween the car and lift. I managed to find a ~12" wide piece from the front of a cement truck that only had a few grooves and was ~2" thick. Great stuff.

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I hope Jack doesn't mind me mentioning that I stopped by his house today and saw his garage and lift. He raised and lowered the lift while I was there and it fits great. Once down it is nearly unnoticeable...and that's before he's grouted it.

Oh and by the way, I can attest his garage is not ALWAYS as neat as the pictures here but even in use it's obvious it has been thought through and is well executed.
 

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Well, the babysitter was out sick, so there was no time for grout today.

Still, you've gotta keep moving the ball toward the goal, So I welded on a 1" strip of steel around the perimeter of the top surface and got busy down below with a paintbrush.

Say hello to my little green friend. :)

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(The top looks like it isn't flat in this picture. I'm not sure why that is. I suspect it's distortion from the wide-angle setting on the camera.)


NOW it looks right!! You kill me.........
 

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Great job on the lift! I think I've read through this thread a couple of times now. I love the way you've packed so much functionality into a relatively small space. There's a lot of great ideas here for every garage owner.

I was wondering how the tiles are holding up on the floor where you drive on them or if you've ever dropped a tool and cracked one? I saw the video where you were hitting them with a hammer when you started the life (edit - oops I mean "lift") project and was amazed at how much abuse it took to break one. Did you use some kind of special thin set? or epoxy them?
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Jack, it looks awesome! And it can double as a work table! :thumbup:

You're not kidding. As it happens, it comes up to just about the same height as all the other work surfaces in the garage.

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Well done Jack. If I may suggest an alternate pad than the kids play area pad. Stop and pick up one of those truck tire recaps that fly off on the highway or get a chunk from a tire shop. Cut it into 4" to 6" squares and use them 'tween the car and lift. I managed to find a ~12" wide piece from the front of a cement truck that only had a few grooves and was ~2" thick. Great stuff.
I've been keeping an eye out. I've also been looking into the playground surface material that's made out of recycled tires. I'm trying to find something cheap or free. (But then, I'm always trying to find stuff for cheap or free.)

I hope Jack doesn't mind me mentioning that I stopped by his house today and saw his garage and lift. He raised and lowered the lift while I was there and it fits great. Once down it is nearly unnoticeable...and that's before he's grouted it.

Oh and by the way, I can attest his garage is not ALWAYS as neat as the pictures here but even in use it's obvious it has been thought through and is well executed.
The whole driveway, garage and back yard have been a real mess since before I left town. I had my water heater and air conditioning go out at the beginning of the month -- so I had to fix both of those. They come to take the water heater away next week. But then there's still a lot to clean up.

I wasn't able to do the grout today, but you can see in the above picture that it's slowly getting cleaner.

And Dan, again: THANK YOU for the loan of the cement mixer! The fact that I started this job with a slightly sore back and ended up with no problems at all is due to the fact that I didn't have to hand mix 2000 pounds of concrete. You're the reason for that. :beer:

I was wondering how the tiles are holding up on the floor where you drive on them or if you've ever dropped a tool and cracked one? I saw the video where you were hitting them with a hammer when you started the life project and was amazed at how much abuse it took to break one. Did you use some kind of special thin set? or epoxy them?
I bought cheap tiles, and used the basic thinset and grout sold by Home Depot. I was initially worried about where the wheels of the car would be parked, and used the one-step-up white thinset in those spaces. In retrospect, I would just have used the basic concrete-type thinset everywhere. I jack the car up, drop tools; the tile is fine. The key is to have no gaps under the tile when you set it -- you can't apply the thinset in dabs like you would for a bathroom. And my secret with the grout is to just go with a dark color. Then you don't have to worry about staining at all.

That said, there are working professionals on this board who probably have forgotten more about setting tile than I've ever known. But the cheap road has worked so far for me -- dropped hammers and all.
 

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I'm waiting for the table top from the center island to the top of the lift. It look like he could hinge a panel from the center island and rest the edge on the lift.
 
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Nice as always Jack. What is the yellow hose / wire for on the lift?
That goes to the safety bars along the underside of the table top. It's a feature you don't see on automotive lifts, but it stops the descent dead if anything contacts the underside of the table as it's lowering down.

I'm waiting for the table top from the center island to the top of the lift. It look like he could hinge a panel from the center island and rest the edge on the lift.
That's an interesting idea. I've already thought about how to connect it up -- somehow -- with the steel table I've got suspended up along the ceiling of that side of the garage.

Nice job! That will make a great diaper changing table here this fall.
I definitely won't have as much time for the garage after the little girl is born. But I thought ahead and rounded the corners so it would be less likely to clip a little one. I also have the controls up and out of reach of curious hands. I suspect I'll have to get more serious with security as my son gets older.

dam jack, now you have a lift in there!
i like how you sprayed it green to match the rest of your shop lol.

I finished the grout today and painted the upper lip of the table top to match the tiles. I think I might have the world's only color-coordinated lift. :)

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However, you'll notice that I still haven't swept all the **** out of the pit itself. I've got to get to that...
 

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I finished the grout today and painted the upper lip of the table top to match the tiles. I think I might have the world's only color-coordinated lift. :)
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Thanks for taking the time to document and share your garage, Jack. The bow-downs also apply to your sheds with their curved roofs—just as impressive as the garage.

I must say, though, that I'm shocked the grout isn't green. ;)
 

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i want to see the porsche on the lift. one of these days i will get myself one. the back doesnt feel like it used to & reaching the lower sections of the car during machine polishing has now made me sit on the floor =(
anyways, send me a plane ticket around january, thats when it gets dead round here lol. id love to polish her out, that would finish off the garage. your porsche blinging & glowing like that cool little lift you just installed =)
i love everything about your garage. i know what it fels like to work with limited space. i think that just makes you have to think more about how to fit everything you need in there without taking up too much floor space! i like how you set up your garage! operating room on one side, operating table on the other side. you are dr.jack =)
i think you should ad dr. next to your user name :bowdown:
 

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Excellent detail Jack. That top inch probably showed green in the lowered position?

This photo reminds me of a question I've been meaing to ask:

FOLDING TABLES ALONG WALL - Why not have the table top hanging down along the lower half of the wall instead of folding upward so you have to use some kind of latch or clip to hold it there? Is this so the hinges don't carry the load alone of whatever you put on the tabletop? Seems like if I used four ordinary interior door hinges it would be plenty strong and that way the flat work surface covers the legs...so you'd only see a flat table top. Am I missing another good reason why I should do it the other way?
 
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Garage Movie Double Feature

I don't know why, but you can't embed movies in threads in the Garage Gallery forum.

So I'm putting these two clips here in the General Discussion area.

I finished putting the little lift in my two-car garage. The details are here in my main thread. My shoulders are still sore. :)

The presentation:



<iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Lrv9UH3jP9o?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The build pictures:



<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SBVR4TvMLT4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
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Thanks, Dan. I had the tables fold up for two reasons. One -- as you mention -- was so the weight of the bench wouldn't be on the hinges when the table was in use. The hinges are plenty stout, I'm sure. But it was the principle of the thing.

But then, also: the legs are longer than the table top is wide. So having the table fold in a spiral pattern wouldn't allow the legs to fit back there, as far as I could figure it. With the top swinging up, the fold patter in more like a N, so the lengths of the legs don't matter.

But I'm sure it's possible to do it with the table folding down. I agree it would look better.
 
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FOLDING TABLES ALONG WALL - Why not have the table top hanging down along the lower half of the wall instead of folding upward so you have to use some kind of latch or clip to hold it there? Is this so the hinges don't carry the load alone of whatever you put on the tabletop? Seems like if I used four ordinary interior door hinges it would be plenty strong and that way the flat work surface covers the legs...so you'd only see a flat table top. Am I missing another good reason why I should do it the other way?

Simplicity. As you lower the tables, the legs fall into place from gravity. Also when you raise it, they fold against the top from the same wonderful gravity.

Had the table folded down, it would require additional work to set up and take down the tables. You would have 4 choices. I will try to describe them.
1. Have no legs. Lift the table and have it secured to a cable or chain from the top to hold it up and level, but then you would have a cable or chain in the way.
2. Have the legs secured to the table with hinges. Requiring you to lift the table, fold the legs up and secure them and then lower the table. More steps, harder task. And top raise the table, you would lift the table, hold it up while you let the legs loose and then set up. Too much work.
3. Have the legs secured to the bottom of the wall, the come out to catch the edge of the table top. Still require the table to be lifted, legs secured, and then lowered. And vice versa.
4. Have the legs hinge vertically. Make 2 right angle triangles. Side A, the table height, piano hinged going up the wall. Side B, the depth of the table, and would be the support surface for the table. And Side C, the hypotenuse, from the tables outside edge to the bottom of the wall and Side A. Have both ends fold in and have the table fold down over them. Still requires more set up and take down.

And with the exception of option 4, you would have to make each leg 2 pieces because they are longer than the table is deep. Making them into 2 pieces each is just asking for them to fail. The current set up is the simplest and most practical. Plus the welding table hides a small sampling of his C-clamp compilation.

Also, he has mentioned a few times about his back hurting. Having to bend down to lift up a table would be more strain and work that folding a table from wait level up against the wall.

If that doesn't make sense, perhaps someone else can take a stab at explaining it.
 
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Jack, That is really cool! It was all worth the effort in the end. I don't think the pro's could of done a nicer job.:thumbup::thumbup:
Thank's for posting.
 

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Jack, Your garage has now attained the rating of "Perfect". Way to go man.

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You freakin movie guys in LA with all of your fancy CG!

Or.....were you behind the island operating the lift pedals and the door remote?

Nice lift!
 

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Awesome use of a Vestil lift!!! And, you stole it for that price! Those cost about $2,500 plus shipping. And, it weighs 800 lbs!

Definitely should be featured again in the Great Garage Makeovers magazine!
 

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Looks great Jack.

I do have a suggestion for your video to really show off the lift installation and how well it looks. When the door opens the Porsche should be out of the garage so we can see the floor space. Most viewers would not notice the lift. Then edit in the Porsche and show it raising with the lift.

I think the seamless installation in the floor is worth showing.
 

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Whew! There's a minute I'll never get back:bounce:

I'm kidding....I agree with gravity being the best helper. Actually my thought had been your Plan #4 but I agree it involved more work & materials as well as not hiding wall mounted tools - a nice benefit of the up-fold approach.

bchee - I wondered the same thing: "Where's Jack?" He must have been hiding in front of the center island. But knowing Jack, he figured out some way much slicker than that. Enquiring minds want to know Jack. :headscrat

Simplicity. As you lower the tables, the legs fall into place from gravity. Also when you raise it, they fold against the top from the same wonderful gravity.

Had the table folded down, it would require additional work to set up and take down the tables. You would have 4 choices. I will try to describe them.
1. Have no legs. Lift the table and have it secured to a cable or chain from the top to hold it up and level, but then you would have a cable or chain in the way.
2. Have the legs secured to the table with hinges. Requiring you to lift the table, fold the legs up and secure them and then lower the table. More steps, harder task. And top raise the table, you would lift the table, hold it up while you let the legs loose and then set up. Too much work.
3. Have the legs secured to the bottom of the wall, the come out to catch the edge of the table top. Still require the table to be lifted, legs secured, and then lowered. And vice versa.
4. Have the legs hinge vertically. Make 2 right angle triangles. Side A, the table height, piano hinged going up the wall. Side B, the depth of the table, and would be the support surface for the table. And Side C, the hypotenuse, from the tables outside edge to the bottom of the wall and Side A. Have both ends fold in and have the table fold down over them. Still requires more set up and take down.

And with the exception of option 4, you would have to make each leg 2 pieces because they are longer than the table is deep. Making them into 2 pieces each is just asking for them to fail. The current set up is the simplest and most practical. Plus the welding table hides a small sampling of his C-clamp compilation.

Also, he has mentioned a few times about his back hurting. Having to bend down to lift up a table would be more strain and work that folding a table from wait level up against the wall.

If that doesn't make sense, perhaps someone else can take a stab at explaining it.
 

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The movie's a bit pompous... but that install could not be any cooler :) Looks like you could easily build a top surface for it and use it as a large project workbench, not like you need any more counter space with all the persistent and fold-down worktops you have there :)

Very cool!
 
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Whew! There's a minute I'll never get back:bounce:

I'm kidding....
Ha! You are kidding -- because it's TWO minutes you'll never get back. I tried shortening the music, but I don't have the audio-editing skills it required. :)

I'm lucky you guys didn't see the 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtain' moment when my wife came out to tell me the water was boiling on the stove. She had to roll her eyes at the car moving up and down in the empty garage while her husband crouched down behind the center table clutching three electrical leads (one 24v hot, then one each for up and down), and with a garage remote in his teeth. :)

I was where you see the trash can in this picture:

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The switch is mounted up above the center bench, but I knew I'd look stupid standing there pushing the button.

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I had originally planned to have it mounted as foot pedals down under the swing away panel on the side of the center island, but worried that my kid might figure it out. So now it's up and out of his reach. Of course, before he gets too much taller I'm going to have to come up with another level of security for it.
 

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I had originally planned to have it mounted as foot pedals down under the swing away panel on the side of the center island, but worried that my kid might figure it out. So now it's up and out of his reach. Of course, before he gets too much taller I'm going to have to come up with another level of security for it.

Hmmm....Jack, if that little guy has his dad's inquisitive/creative nature, he'll have it figured out in no time at all! All he needs is something to divert Daddy's attention for a few minutes...like a new little sister!

Seriously, kudos all around. You continue to be quite the inspiration. Now, what will you do for an encore? :dunno:
 

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Jack the install looks great and even more impresive it seems as though the lift is at the exact same height as your other work surfaces when it is in the up position. I have to think somehow that you actually planned it out this way :D.


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I had originally planned to have it mounted as foot pedals down under the swing away panel on the side of the center island, but worried that my kid might figure it out. So now it's up and out of his reach. Of course, before he gets too much taller I'm going to have to come up with another level of security for it.

You SHOULD put them behind the swing away panel. Then install a lock on the panel to keep small hands and feet away from them.
 
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