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Wow. I finally made it to the end!! I hate coming to the party late!!!! It takes forever to get to the end!

Jack, amazing man! I saw the pic of your garage on jalopnik, but never could get to the article, assuming there was one. I was irritated that I couldn't find out more about it! I don't get on here much, usually just to check BB767's 1930's welding shop, Utah's bunker, and Rieferman's barn saving. I stumbled upon GIAG's renovation thread last week and in reading that, clicked on the links in your sig to look at the car. Then I clicked on the garage build link. I was most pleasantly surprised to see the porsche and the green cabinets! So I've been reading the better part of 5 days to catch up!

One thing you never really discussed is the overhead storage above the garage doors. I have a 115" ceiling height in my garage and would love to see just a little more on how you built the shelf/shelves above the overhead door. I did see the photo on your website but I couldn't tell much from that.

Anyway, great job! I love what you have done and are doing with the place. Your frugality and ingenuity and ability to just do, regardless of whether you have to re-do or not, is admirable. The car is awesome too! Love to see the videos of you at Willow Springs.

BTW, thanks for posting the shade fabric project, as well as the link to the welding forum where you had it. I have a Spanish style house with a courtyard similar to yours and I've been trying to figure out how to get some shade out there as well. I hadn't thought of going above the beams, I was going to use the beams to support some screens made of fabric. Now I think I'm going to try and come up with a support structure to bolt to the beams. Won't make it as claustrophobic in there!

Thanks for the peek into your world. It's fun.

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Thanks, Jeff! When this thread passed a hundred pages I figured the chances of anyone making it all the way through had disappeared. So I appreciate the dedication.

On the above-the-garage-door storage, I just made a pair of platforms to fit the area -- they're 2x3's with a sheet of MDF on top. Then there are vertical pieces that go to the ceiling. I ran a 2x4 to span a couple of ceiling joists to distribute the load, and also included a steel support, so that if the wood ever rotted/pulled-loose/whatever, there'd be a back-up to keep the shelf and its contents from falling on a car.

Here's a picture to show one of the vertical assemblies.

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The shade thing continues to surprise me in that the fabric hasn't come loose. The only thing holding it on are those binder clips from the office supply store. But having one every 6" or so provides a lot of cumulative clamping force, I guess. I think it also helps that the patio has a regular roof on two sides. I think this reduces the wind the thing is exposed to significantly. The Sunbrella fabric I have covering a similar frame where I park my car flaps around, but the shade fabric above the patio never seems to move at all.

Thanks for the pictures and suggestions, Jack! Really appreciate your insight. I had been thinking something along those lines as a mounting strategy - your description has helped me firm up my plan. I am inclined to try to weld up some strips like your stronghold cabinet, however I'm thinking that the combination of the thin steel of my cabinets and the thin skills of my welding are going to lead to some holy cabinets. Perhaps I'll try a test tack on the back and see how it goes. I feel like I'm talking shop with a right celebrity here. Thanks again!
Burn through is one danger -- so is warping from the heat. One workaround might be to have button-head screws go in to strips of wood from the outside. You could set them at even intervals on a line and they might look 'on purpose' there. I had to do that for the curved strip of aluminum on the edge of my sink counter. It kept popping lose with just construction adhesive. But if you evenly space the fasteners, it looks all right.
 
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Jack - not *really* garage related....but- I'm waiting for you to start the TLC / re-furb project on that jeep that has treated you "oh so well" through this entire thread.

Your knack at finding/building/adapting parts would be pretty interesting...albeit perhaps more appropriate for another thread.

Hope your summer is going well.
 
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In the back of my head, that's always been something I'd do if my son was interested in restoring it for him. But he just turned four, so it might be a parts hauler for another decade before it gets any attention.

That said, the turn signal switch recently gave out. In ordering a replacement, I also ordered a glove box body and a radio opening cover. You know how sometimes a bathroom remodel happens just because you tried to replace the medicine cabinet -- and one thing leads to another? I suppose there's that risk with the new turn signal switch. But it's still a pretty low risk. :)
 
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On an unrelated note, if any of you click on this link, are you able to see a slideshow of magazine pages? I scanned them in today. I've always thought I'd do a 'wall of fame' sort of thing for the articles about the garage and my car, maybe on the inside of the garage door. But at the same time, I've always thought that was, well, kind of lame, too. But today I thought I could put the articles on one of those digital frames and it wouldn't eat up a lot of wall space.

But in doing so, I thought I could also add the press to the garage's web page -- which is proving difficult. But if the link works, that might need to be all I do.
 
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Jack,

Never realized how much press your Porsche got. Looks fantastic. Are you going to make it to Monterey for the Historic Races this August? I will be there with my Shelby Cobra.
 

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Jack - not *really* garage related....but- I'm waiting for you to start the TLC / re-furb project on that jeep that has treated you "oh so well" through this entire thread.

Your knack at finding/building/adapting parts would be pretty interesting...albeit perhaps more appropriate for another thread.

Hope your summer is going well.

It needs to be painted jack olsen green!
 
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Thanks guys.

I just edited the original link to include a couple of things I'd forgotten (Car Craft, Hemming's, Jalopnik). The resolution is too low to be really useful, but that's what I'd need for this picture frame thing. If I get a chance, I'll increase the resolution when I link it to the website.

427Cobra, my car is a knock-off, so it wouldn't rate for the Historics. I came close at the last one to getting to drive a friend's Porsche 962, but the arrival of my daughter nixed it. A shame -- but if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with the daughter.

Here's the updated link to my digital 'wall of fame'
 
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Is it too soon to be thinking about lessons for "PianoGirl"? lol

If you look in the dictionary for 'CUTE', you'll find her picture for sure; what a little sweetheart! You done good Jack.
 
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Thanks. I'm crazy about her -- and would happily give up many more chances to drive any car at all for her sake.

Still, there's time in the garage. The other day I had one of those high-and-low days. Or maybe I should say low-and-high.

The Jeep rarely breaks. But that doesn't mean it always works. As long as I've owned it -- which goes back to 1994 -- the turn signals haven't self-canceled after a turn. And more recently, the plastic mechanism for the turn signal broke apart inside the steering column -- so, no signals at all. Worse still, the upshot of the damage was that one rear tail light was now constantly on. This meant I had to take out the bulb back there if I didn't want to drain my battery.

Okay, fair enough. I order a new mechanism, and even a new stalk and some new bulbs. I go to work removing the steering wheel -- and realize with this car I'm going to need a steering wheel puller and also a lock plate remover. Compared to my 1972 Porsche, these 1983 Jeeps are much more complicated. So I go get the tools when I'm getting a sandwich for lunch. Then pull the wheel, undo the lock-ring thing, and put the new assembly in. Snaking the wire harness through the column cover is kind of tricky. But it gets there. Done.

And as a bonus, I'm going to have a straight steering wheel now, not the ****-eyed positioning that the PO settled for sometime before 1994.

But when it's back together, I see that both rear tail lights are on. And the relay for the signal is maybe failing, because now nothing blinks. Nice new indicator stalk; but no indicating happening. It's one of those moments where the car had a problem when you started -- but now it's a lot worse when you're finished.

I'm very familiar with those moments.

I go back and eat my sandwich. Online, I look into the pricing for a new relay.

But I clean up the relay contacts and put a charger on the battery before I eat. The good news is that the relay is working just fine when I come back. And I see that I had the tail light problem diagnosed backward. The broken signal switch was making one of the rear lights go dark, not making the other light up. The problem is the brake switch, which is the kind that lights up the lights when it's released, not pressed. It's either moved out of position or I have a failing return spring. But when I pull the pedal back (and engaged the button on the switch) the lights go out and everything is fine.

Back to Google. It seems the consensus on the brake switch is that it's easy enough to adjust, so long as you have long fingers and an additional joint in your arm midway between the wrist and the elbow. Short of that, you're better off scrapping the original switch altogether and putting a hydraulic one in at the master cylinder.

The one thing everyone online agrees on is that you do not want to simply bend the tab on the pedal arm in order to affect the adjustment. It will break off and need to be welded back on -- and you'll need those long fingers and additional wrist-elbow joint for that, too.

I go out a couple of times, twist myself in there with a flashlight, try to get to it, come back and re-checked on Google.

I just want to bend that tab.

I knew it was wrong, but my lazy nature is a powerful foe. In I went, finally, with some pliers with the right angle, and --

-- it worked great. The lazy man's adjustment set the gap where I wanted it. Now I had turn signals and brake lights.

And when I took it out to test drive it, the cancel ring was now working, too. Just taking it apart and putting it together had done the trick (or maybe the replacement mechanism solved the problem -- who knows). But after 18 years of manually canceling the indicator, it's a real joy to see it snap back by itself. :)

A garage maxim: the longer you let something stay broken, the more you'll appreciate the improvement when you finally fix it.

For the last couple of days, I've been driving the Jeep instead of the BMW -- in spite of the lack of AC. I'm just enjoying having working turn signals that much. :beer:
 

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For the last couple of days, I've been driving the Jeep instead of the BMW -- in spite of the lack of AC. I'm just enjoying having working turn signals that much. :beer:

Jack, I lived in Merced California area from 1986 to 1995 when they closed Castle AFB. Never had AC in any of my cars. Dry heat LOL. When I moved to Shreveport Louisiana area in 1995 it only took me about 3 weeka month to buy something with working AC.
 
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Sometimes the "direct method of problem solving" IS the right thing to do, lol.

BTW, I ALSO suggest you join THIS organization early:

http://www.google.com/#q=dads+again...pw.r_qf.&fp=bb1985a4b0dff75f&biw=1280&bih=705

I agree. I keep an active list of places to move when she turns 12.

Jack, I lived in Merced California area from 1986 to 1995 when they closed Castle AFB. Never had AC in any of my cars. Dry heat LOL. When I moved to Shreveport Louisiana area in 1995 it only took me about 3 weeka month to buy something with working AC.

It's true. I have it on every time I'm in the regular car. But in the 911 or the Jeep, I don't usually miss it.
 
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And here's an odd request. I'm not a big fan of Facebook. But because the garage kept getting mentioned there, I started a page for it as a 'place' page. If I get 30 'likes' from other Facebook members, then the page gets better analysis tools (or some such nonsense).

I'm currently stuck at 26 likes.

So if you're already a Facebook user, I'd appreciate a quick click on the 'like' button on the page. Here's the link:

THE 12-GAUGE GARAGE ON FACEBOOK

Thanks.
 

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Hi Jack,
Yesterday I noticed your mention of motion sensing switches on your lights. Then I realized, you don't have ANY fluorescent lights, do you? I also notice a lot of your lights point up. Is the reason for this to soften/spread the light better? To avoid hotspots in your work areas?

I ask about all this because, I'm cheap and I need to improve the lighting in my garage and shop. I have six 4 ft. el cheapo Home Depot flourescents in my main garage and the small addition that is 18x26. But in the shop area (13x28) I have a low ceiling - flat and sloping down to 7 ft+ - with a couple old 8ft fluorescents and 2 ea. 4 footers.

I don't want to buy a BUNCH of new fluorscent fixtures and as it happens, I have a bunch of new CFL bulbs I got for free from the c/o Pasadena a couple years ago from one of their green initiatives. I wasn't happy with them in my house lamps - impatient waiting for them to come up to full light strength. But maybe I should consider using them with clamp-ons/motion sensors.

Can you (ugh, pun coming) "shed some light" on how you did this? Maybe post a photo of the locations for your motion sensors? Are these adjustable, as I have two dogs that go out into my garage/shop at night "on patrol".
 
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Hey, Dan. My shop is about 90% CFL bulbs, with a few halogen fixtures I picked up at Ikea making up the balance. Most of the CFLs are mounted in $5 Home Depot trouble lights. I point them at the ceiling because it diffuses the light, reduces shadows, and won't blind me if I look up at a fixture. There are four different motion detectors -- all are the kind that work with fluorescents (some of the older ones don't).

Motion sensors involve some compromise. I really like them for the simple fact that I can carry something into the garage and not ever need to turn a switch on. Even better is that I never have to remember to turn the lights off. Going in and out? It doesn't matter. There's always light and they always go off about 30 minutes after I leave.

That's the good side. The annoying side is when you're working on something that doesn't involve movement and the lights go out. This happened a lot when I just had the cheap Harbor Freight motions switches controlling everything. And while all of them used to be set to the 30 minute setting, some of the HF ones would go off much sooner -- which will make you nuts, eventually.

So because of a suggestion on this board, I got some high-end RAB motion sensors. It makes me a little crazy that I paid $50 for each of them (I got two -- I also have two sensors pulled from outdoor security lights), but there you go. They use two different forms of motion detection, with no blind spots. So far, I'm very happy with them. My cat doesn't set them off -- I'm not sure if a dog would be big enough. They've never left me in the dark.

This picture of my ceiling reel shows two of the lights and the corner of one of the sensors.

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And thanks to everyone for the Facebook 'likes.' It inadvertently let me win a little contest with my wife. She works for a television show that got the swimmer Ryan Lochte (did I spell that right?) to do a cameo after he got back from the Olympics -- and she was boasting about how many likes the photo of her and him were getting on Facebook. I will never have that guy's abs (or skill, or fame, let's admit it), but on that same day my garage got more 'likes.' :)
 

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The annoying side is when you're working on something that doesn't involve movement and the lights go out.

I recognize the problem, I use motion sensors in the bathroom. If you get stuck on toilet or in the shower to long it gets dark...

Great thread by the way, one big reason I registrated here on GJ.
 
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Yeah, with the old detectors, if you worked underneath the car too long, the lights would go out. The new ones are very hard to trick. I think they watch for heat as well as movement.

And thanks -- and welcome, from one west-coaster to another.
 

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Thanks Jack for the head's up on the RAB motion sensors. I'm certain I would have headed over to Home Depot and gotten whatever (cheap, lol) looked like it would have worked! Hadn't though of HF possibly having them.

I'm thinking I'll replace the 8 foot fluorescents in the low ceiling shop with wired-in outlets on one of those RAB's and see how I like it. Thanks again
 
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You're welcome, Dan. There are a few different models they make, with different watt capabilities. Some are less expensive. Let me know how it goes.
 

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I will never have that guy's abs (or skill, or fame, let's admit it), but on that same day my garage got more 'likes.' :)

Actually bringing up Ryan Lochte on Google got 101 million results but Jack Olsen garage got 177 million results. So I gues you are MORE famous!
 
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Today was a retirement day in the garage. My Black & Decker dog bone wrench is finally losing its place on the pegboard. I've liked having it, because it's one of those cheesy Fathers-Day-Gift tools that make so much sense to people who don't use tools. Keeping it in play felt a little rebellious, I guess. Or like I was refusing to take tools too seriously. (Or just deliberately dense, maybe.) It was eight wrenches that took up the space of one on the wall. And even if I'd had room to hang a full set of wrenches up, with the dogbone, I didn't have to know what size I was going to need. I'd just grab it.

Well, the other day there was a discontinued cart at the hardware store and I picked up a pair of GearWrench QuadBox wrenches for $9. There are four different sizes of ratcheting wrenches on each one. So a pair of them have as many sizes as the dogbone. And where the dogbones shady gimmick was creating sizes that matched both a metric and an SAE size (not exactly either, but you know...). Now I've got a pair of QuadBox pairs -- one metric and one SAE.

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And these guys will fit where the big dogbone head wouldn't. And they ratchet.

The dogbone will go in a car box now.
 
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It was my local Orchard Supply Hardware -- they carry Craftsman stuff. It was the only set they had on the rack, and it was metric. So I ordered the SAE set from Eastwood for $19. That seems to be the going rate.

I don't see a downside to the design, compared to regular GearWrench combinations (except the slightly thicker width and the lack of an open-ended side). Still, there's something just a little 'Father's-Day-Gift-y' about them. But I was happy with the dogbone, too. So I'll be okay with these. :)
 

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Hey Jack, thanks for sharing your journey with your garage here. I really like it.

I see in the last photo, your secret peg board holder retaining trick! Are the screws in 'loose' to just fill up the hole or are they actually screwed into something behind the pegboard? Does it work well to keep the hooks in the pegboard? That is one of my last objections to pegboard, gotta buy specialty retainers, or your hooks come off with the tool...

Keep up the great work!


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Thanks.

I have some of the better Stay Put hooks which have a short, chubby screw that goes in its own hole as part of the hook assembly. But to hang these new guys, I just used the typical hooks -- the kind that make us all crazy by coming off with the tool -- with a small (5/8? 3/4?) wood screw in the same hole as one of the anchors. It's not an especially tight fit, and the screw doesn't go into anything behind the board. But it's enough to keep the hook from pulling out when you grab the tool.
 

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Noodling around on the internet last night looking at various motion detectors, wattages and prices I noticed the type that installs in place of the wall switch. IF anyone has experience with those (good OR bad) please post.

They'd work easily for me, I think. On the other end of a dedicated line for lights a couple of my fluorescents are hardwired. I could just replace that with an outlet (or four!) and then the wall mounted motion detector would control my CFL's - assuming they'd handle the combined wattage ok. What's wrong with this idea?
 

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Jack,

What an amazing garage! I am truly in awe of your skills and perseverance in getting your garage to the level of both function and form that you have achieved.

I found the GJ site while looking for ideas about building storage lofts, shelving, and a workbench for a storage building that I wanted to finish to be able to START working on the garage! That is how I came across this site. I have spent the past two weeks of free time (insert: a miniscule amount with working crazy hours, spending time with the family - having two kiddos running amok, and trying take the occasional "coffee break" to tackle projects as well) reading ALL 110 pages here - that is a first for me! I normally don't make it past 3-4 pages tops, but realized after the first 20 pages, that I would read the entire thing and reserve my first post for your page after completion.

I think more so than your skills, I admire the way in which you jump into projects - i.e., the back canopy. I feel like I have just read an epic novel, or possibly an entire series thereof(such as Stephen King's "The Dark Tower" series). Starting with your son being small, then the announcement of your daughter's upcoming birth, and all of the other milestones and life events, it is truly like reading a good novel - plus the added bonus of guy stuff!!!

I have been working on my carpentry skills already, but because of your documentation of your learning process, I will be learning to weld as well. I am already a bargain hunter/frugal/cheap/whatever you want to call it, so I am right in line with your philosophy.


I have already found a great deal on a 4" Wilton that I purchased cheap and will be restoring, and will be patiently waiting for a great deal on a larger Wilton/Prentiss/Parker vise as well. I am patient. American made is important to me whenever possible, and I want things to pass down to my son as well.

I know that you have heard this thousands of times, but thank you for sharing all of this information and painstakingly taking the time to document it.
 

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And these guys will fit where the big dogbone head wouldn't. And they ratchet.
They are also reversible! I bought ratcheting Gearwrench combo wrenches to upgrade my fat old Craftsman box end ratchets. After loosening the 6" bolt on the A/C compressor I got out the Gearwrench and wasn't paying attention. I loosened the bolt far enough to trap the wrench under the hard line and couldn't reverse it. I decided not to break open the compressor lines to free up the wrench so I cut the bolt off. Bought socket head cap screws so I can't repeat the mistake next time the compressor has to come off.
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