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I knew something was different! I used to have a polished set of 15's on my 944 Turbo, and my Father has had them on all of his 911's. I saw Lindsey Racing has some ridiculous widths and they have have an RSR similar to yours with them on. You might have seen it it excellence magazine. They are my favorite wheel of all time and will always be my first choice on all air-cooled Porsches and VW's! I have been saving up for a couple years, When I move back to FL this year I'm buying an mid 80's 911, I would like to slap a duck tail on it and an older Carrera kit for one similar to yours.

That's more than similar. That's the same car. :)

I didn't originally have the side graphics. Here it is catching a wild pheasant around the time of that article.

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Jack as a parts man behind the counter of a european specialty parts store i often ask myself why on prices of some of the parts for all the euro cars

It's crazy. $20 for a master cylinder feels like you're getting some solid technology at a bargain price. But at $250, it seems like it ought to be made out of some kind of crazy composite, like Squankum's example.
 
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And speaking of that 911...

This isn't really garage related, but I'll post it here anyway because I'm a little bit 'car proud.' :)

My 911 is not the fastest street car or track car, but it's a pretty cool compromise if you consider that I haven't sunk a huge amount of money into it. Porsche keeps improving its cars, and Motor Trend magazine recently took a look at Porsche's latest and greatest at my home track -- Willow Springs (which, I tend to remind people, is the oldest continuously-operating road course in North America, and also probably the fastest, based on average lap speed).

Motor Trend brought out the new Porsche super car, the 918, and also the 50th-Anniversary version of the 911 (aka the 991). Both were driven by Randy Pobst -- who used the 918 to set a new production-car lap record of 1:23.54. He also set a new bar for an off-the-showroom-floor 911 with a 1:28.93 in the 50th-Anniversary Edition 991.

Now, my car is not off-the-showroom-floor stock, at all. But it is a street driven car. And like these newer Porsches, I track it on the same tires I drive on the street (no trailer). So it was interesting for me to see where the data diverges between those newer cars and my 42-year-old model. The newer cars (obviously) have horsepower on their side. They also have slightly better tires (the new r-compound Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2). But my car is much lighter.

The 918 weighs 3692 pounds and has 887 hp (from both its engines and its motors). The 50th Anniv 911 weighs 3109 pounds and has 430 hp. My car weighs 2609 pounds and has 272 hp. So, the gap is pretty great.

The technological miracle, the 887-hp 918:

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The 430-hp 50th-Anniversary 911:

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And the artist-in-residence of the 12-Gauge Garage, my 272 hp 1972 911:

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What Motor Trend did that was cool was to publish the data from the two cars during the lap around Willow. Now, to most people it's just a jagged line. But I deal with the data enough from my car to be familiar with all nine corners of the track and the speed I know I can carry through each of them. So I grabbed the line from my own data and set it on top of the Motor Trend graphic. I also included (in red) my minimum and maximum speeds for the different corners.

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My car is in between the two new ones, laptime-wise. But it was surprising to see that I was carrying more speed through the turn 2 sweeper than the 918 -- which recently set a production car record at the Nurburgring by shattering the seven-minute barrier.

I was also surprised when I clipped out the more-technical part of the track to compare segment times between me and the 911. As it happens, the section I cut out (from the exit of turn 1 to the entrance to turn 5) was covered in the same amount of time by both the 918 and my old car.

Nothing earth-shaking here, other than the fun of seeing my car match the pace of a 2015 super car that sells for $845,000.



VIDEO: Side by side, turns 1 through 5.

Does this mean my old Volkswagen-derived suspension is as good as Porsche's 2015 super car? Of course not. The difference is that my car weighs a thousand pounds less than the 918. And while Porsche has been able to make that thousand pounds 'disappear' when it comes to acceleration and braking, there's apparently a point where the laws of physics kick in and you can only move a given weight around a corner at a certain speed. Obviously, if you added a thousand pounds of penalty weight to my car, I would be MUCH slower through that corner. And if you took a thousand pounds off of the 918, it would be MUCH faster through that corner. And no matter how you slice it, the 918 is faster than me around the whole track.

But it makes me wish Porsche would not only develop this kind of 'super-high-tech testing bed' type of super car, but maybe also make one where the goal is 800 hp in a simple, effective 2,600 pound car. It would break the production car lap record at every track on earth -- and even I might start scheming to become a hedge fund manager (or whatever) so I could afford one. :)
 

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They just installed four charging stations for elecs & hybrids in the garage at my office. I would LOVE to show up one day and plug in a 918 and then see if anyone knew what it was. :) Just waiting on that lottery win to implement this particular fantasy. THANKS for the comparative info above. Pretty cool stuff.
 

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That is extremely interesting data Jack, nice comparison between modern and old. As a 911 guy I can certainly appreciate the time and effort and your modest homegrown solutions that have went into that car to eek out that extra tenth.

If anything, I think it points out that weight and aero are everything - not just HP. Also there is that matter of the skilled driver behind the wheel to get everything out of the car. I have followed all of your mods and decreases in lap times, the cool thing is that you can almost take yourself out of the equation as you can drive that track at 10/10 all the time, consistently - so the slightest mod equates to decreased lap times or not (if it was a poor mod) as your measuring stick.

In any event - very cool data and cheers to the 72 (and the driver :p)
 

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Jack, regardless of the weight, those are some REALLY impressive numbers, to basically split the difference between 2 brand new super cars in your 40 something year old porsche means, not only are you an excellent driver, but also a great builder. You've obviously taken what porsche did pretty well so long ago in a 70's super car and made enough mods and tweaks to allow it to compete with the current ones. My hat's off to you!
 

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That is extremely interesting data Jack, nice comparison between modern and old. As a 911 guy I can certainly appreciate the time and effort and your modest homegrown solutions that have went into that car to eek out that extra tenth.

If anything, I think it points out that weight and aero are everything - not just HP. Also there is that matter of the skilled driver behind the wheel to get everything out of the car. I have followed all of your mods and decreases in lap times, the cool thing is that you can almost take yourself out of the equation as you can drive that track at 10/10 all the time, consistently - so the slightest mod equates to decreased lap times or not (if it was a poor mod) as your measuring stick.

In any event - very cool data and cheers to the 72 (and the driver :p)
There is an instructor that runs with the local BMW (and other) club. He has a sticker on the back bumper: "It's not about the car". He drives a stripped out e36 325 (mid 90's). Probably 2600lbs with ~200 hp and tq and off the shelf Koni's. He can run down mid 2000 M3s and even some reasonably well driven new model M3s and P-cars.

(I have a stripped out 2000 M Coupe).

Track time is 1/3 is cornering, 1/3rd is braking and 1/3rd is HP - but all of it is driver.

There is another guy that has a 2002 with probably 110-120 hp? It is completely stripped and tips the scales at 1900(?) lbs. Basically a go-cart. He runs down M3s all day long. His tires will age out faster than they wear out.

Nothing more satisfying than running down cars that cost 4x.

Newer cars aren't really that much faster around a track - it's the drivers that make the difference. They just cost more in parts and tires.
 

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... the cool thing is that you can almost take yourself out of the equation as you can drive that track at 10/10 all the time, consistently - so the slightest mod equates to decreased lap times or not (if it was a poor mod) as your measuring stick.

As a recovering autoxer, this is why I'm very jealous of track people. The same course? Every time? Wow, you know whether new mods are worthwhile!

I look at the speed that Jack carries from the exit of 1 to the entrance of 3 and think, "He knows something Randy doesn't about this track." I know Randy's been a pro for years now (in my mind, autoxer made good) but... does he really know the track? (And how many Metabo grinders does that guy have, anyway?!)

Why didn't they invite Jack to show him around? Then let Randy drive his car? That'd be so kewl...

Then, of course, They, you know, They, need to get Jack in that 918!

BTW, Jack's motor & EFI aren't that ancient... but the body sure is pre-wind tunnel!
 
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Jack, wow.

The new 991 C2 was tested by a show over here and it was as quick as the 997 GT3 round a track it was that good in base model spec.

so to be quicker (by that sort of amount) than a new 991 driven by a guy who knows what he is doing, is most impressive.
 

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Being used to small old sports cars, the weight of modern vehicles always amazes me, particularly for performance oriented cars. My MG weighs just on 700kg (1540 pounds) and my Mazda rotary project a bit over 850kg (1875 pounds). With a car that light, even quite modest power outputs can result in plenty of performance (and fun!).
 

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Thanks! The Fuchs used to be 6x16s. But to make these wheels, the centers were cut out and Tig welded into one-piece barrels that are 9-1/2x17 in front and 11x17 in back.

Hey Jack! I've been thinking about having something like this done to a set of Porsche Teledial type wheels for a 944 that I recently acquired. A friend I know that works in the racing world said he would be very concerned about strength. Obviously your wheels have no issues with that, proven by lots of hard driving.

Was there anything special that had to be taken into consideration when you had this done/purchased those modded Fuchs?

Thanks for your help and cheers from Finland!
 

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Jack has straightened out all the corners of Willow and ruined the track for everyone! ;) Very cool data - thanks for sharing!
 
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Thanks, guys!

As a recovering autoxer, this is why I'm very jealous of track people. The same course? Every time? Wow, you know whether new mods are worthwhile!

Since having kids, I've boiled the track project down to this one track, pretty much. And it's surprised me by how interesting it's been. I've got a little obsessive-compulsive in me, there's no doubt.

Kickstarter campaign? Buy Jack some Hoosiers?
I might try some A6s this winter. We'll see. I'd rather do it with the same old set of tires, but I've got to find a way to get that :25.

Hey Jack! I've been thinking about having something like this done to a set of Porsche Teledial type wheels for a 944 that I recently acquired. A friend I know that works in the racing world said he would be very concerned about strength. Obviously your wheels have no issues with that, proven by lots of hard driving.

Was there anything special that had to be taken into consideration when you had this done/purchased those modded Fuchs?

Thanks for your help and cheers from Finland!
The place that did mine had already done a few sets -- so I had some basis for confidence. I always hate to be the lab rat for anything this essential to safety. The issue with the older aluminum alloy wheels as centers is metal fatigue, much more than it is the weld to the new barrels. The ally has a set lifespan, but it's measured in terms of stress cycles more than chronological time. I check the wheels very regularly for signs of cracking.

Porsche needs hire Jack Olsen as a consultant to teach them how to make their new 991 faster.
It's actually impressively fast. The record for a pro driver in the previous generation GT3 RS was 1:33. So the new 991 50th Anniversary model beat that by four seconds. I can't wait to see what the new GT3 and GT3 RS will do.
 
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And what about the garage?

A pair of small projects this past week. One is that I changed the switch for the attic fan I run for ventilation above my fold-down welding table. It used to be a variable speed switch, but that meant in reality I was always running it at full speed. The bigger problem was forgetting after I'd turned it on -- coming back in the morning and seeing it had run all night. So I put in a timed switch. Nothing pretty about the installation -- except that, well, it works.

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And then, only Father's Day could get me to relax about a soap dispenser costing $36. To me, that's crazy. But this works MUCH better than my previous soap pump. (The little 'powder room'-y one on the right is for regular, non-mechanic's hand soap.)

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Been a couple of years since I caught up with the Garage That Jack Built, still very cool.

I'm not much of a racer, but I would bet the 911 would go faster with an 8 Ball painted on the door. And if not, if would sure look faster.

Doug
 

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Been a couple of years since I caught up with the Garage That Jack Built, still very cool.

I'm not much of a racer, but I would bet the 911 would go faster with an 8 Ball painted on the door. And if not, if would sure look faster.

Doug

I dunno...it might just end up in the pocket all the time.

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Hey Jack! I've been thinking about having something like this done to a set of Porsche Teledial type wheels for a 944 that I recently acquired. A friend I know that works in the racing world said he would be very concerned about strength. Obviously your wheels have no issues with that, proven by lots of hard driving.

Was there anything special that had to be taken into consideration when you had this done/purchased those modded Fuchs?

Thanks for your help and cheers from Finland!

Phone dials are cast aluminum, Fuchs are forged and thus more fit for attachment to larger rims. Clubsport wheels from the 944 turbo S are a nice light weight forged alternative for a late offset 944.
 
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A couple of pictures, with no good reason.

The 12-Gauge Garage, now at the age of 7.

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And the 42-year-old car, taken just the other day:

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As you were. :)
 

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Jack - I know you swapped the lenses but are you using the lightweight buckets on the lights? I think I remember a thread way back on Pelican where you did...was thinking of removing the boat anchors on mine. I think there are some plastic units out now you can purchase.

Looks great - aging well. My 84 Carrera turned 30 this year...how time flies :eyecrazy:
 

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Joined up to learn about welding as I search out a welder to purchase. Spent about 2 hours on this thread and thats skipping a few years. Very nice. Thanks for keeping this community updated Jack! You all seem like pretty cool people. I spend hours in my garage often -dreaming of ways to make it better. I have built cabinets and moved/rearranged metal shelving (with the MDF shelves) around many times. Jacks garage epitomizes the dream garage I haven't even been capable of describing... until now. Those heavy cabinets are absolutely awesome. I want.
 
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Thanks, guys!

I took that picture on Wednesday while running an errand. I walked around the car and got six good pictures, which you can see here in a video supplemented with some rock. Click on the image for a 30-second video. :)



Jack - I know you swapped the lenses but are you using the lightweight buckets on the lights? I think I remember a thread way back on Pelican where you did...was thinking of removing the boat anchors on mine. I think there are some plastic units out now you can purchase.

There are off-the-shelf boxes available. But be warned: they're kind of pricey.

I got a set of waterproof LED trailer lights, which freed me up from needing to make my solution weatherproof. Then I went out to the garage and made a very lightweight pair of boxes.

The stock units are 4 pounds each. :scared:

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My anorexic ones are 13.8 ounces each. The heaviest part is the stock lens.

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These are the guts. They're designed for those boat trailers you can back right into the lake.

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And here's a piece of good news for the back end of my car -- from an unlikely source. California's state government enacted a plan for old-fashioned 'legacy' license plates, but the catch was they needed 7,500 people to sign up for the program or it wouldn't happen. I sent in a check -- because I thought black vintage plates would look cool on a black vintage car (even if the 'correct' plate for this model would be blue). After almost two years, the plate finally got its 7,500th participant.

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ooooh, very cool. Anorexic indeed. Yeah, the OEMS are heavy. Funny the things Porsche engineers looked at in terms of reducing weight and then they make the tail light enclosures like bank vaults :wtf:

Its on my list in the quest for reducing weight (in the rear is the best as well) on the 911.

That is a slick setup with the lights - good idea on gutting the trailer lights. Doesn't hurt on the LED's as the OEM are weak at best.

Plates are cool too - I assume they will let you customize? In VA we are stuck with yellow or funny looking black ones for antique...I took the yellow route. Plus once registered as an antique you skip inspections, emissions, car tax and one time fee for registration. :rocker:

 

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Jack, you've gone through some different variations of taillights. I like these the best! I'd like to see the LEDs on :thumbup:


You know what would look better in your 12 gauge garage, a Corvette.
J/k...


but seriously I love your garage. In fact I chose the color and to tile my garage because of seeing yours. so, thanks...;)
 
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Thank you guys. P-dawger, that Porsche -- and the garage -- look pretty sweet.

Well, I finished my work a little early today, so I combined the past couple of video projects into one hard-rocking number. Until Porsche's (or Mötley Crüe's) lawyers shut me down, here's my latest 'ode to an old car.' :)



Click on the image for the full video. And turn those speakers up and play the thing in HD.
 

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Another great video! And I love the comparison to the 918.

I still think yours has the best looking body style of all the 911 series. It's still in my 'want' list!
 

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Hey Jack,

Just wanted to say g'day, and thank you for all the inspiration...

I joined GJ recently, spent a month or so reading through LLWillyFan's "The Concrete Underground", then moved on to yours... I've been going for weeks and I'm only up to page 89! I'll keep going and probably catch up to this post of mine in about October.

:)

I also have a suburban double garage (a little smaller than yours, 5,500 wide by 6,000 (18' by 19'9")), and you have given me so many ideas that it will take me years to get through my expanding to-do list.

I also have a young son, almost 2. He likes to help which is great, but it makes everything take approximately 10 times longer!!

Mat.

P.S. I've been thinking about the colour scheme for my garage... until I joined GJ and found your thread, I didn't think "garage colour scheme" was even a thing!
 
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