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Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

So here's the sequence, at least as I remember it.

1) I know what I'm doing is stupid. But I figure I'll be lucky, like I have been my whole life.

2) I hear the 'chunk' sound of the blade grabbing the wood -- kickback.

3) It feels like somebody's just clamped a pair of pliers on my fingers. Then the saw is still making it's no-load sound, and my brain jumps through a few quick steps, finally landing at: 'How many fingers did I lose?'

In my case, the answer is zero. But I won't confirm that for a few moments. I pull the glove off and wrap the fingers in paper towels without taking the time to look very closely. My quick look suggests the finger isn't severed. So...

4) I pull the plug on the saw and turn off the radio -- Why? I guess so the music won't bother the neighbors while I'm gone.

5) I find my wife (she's in the shower) and tell her she might need to take me to the hospital. The whole hand is numb now, more or less, and I take another look, confirming: only one finger affected, some of the 'meat' seems to be gone. A long cut, considering it's just one joint of the finger. But not severed.

5) Realizing we'd have to pack the kids into the car before we can go, I tell her I'll just walk down to the ER. Nice to have a hospital two blocks from my door.

6) I make it down there and get the thing stitched up. Two stitches inside, holding stuff together, 10 more across the pad of my right index finger.

It could have been much worse.

The table saw I grew up with came with a story: it had been given to my father after the original owner had lost his pinky, ring and middle finger with it. Understandably, the guy didn't want a table saw in his shop after that. It might just have been a smart story my father made up, but I've always been careful with the thing in the intervening 40 years. But last night, it bit me.

Completely my own fault. And again, it could have been much, much worse.

Here's the project it was the last piece of. A 'crooked' playhouse for the kids. They've been having a lot of fun in it, pretending it's different businesses and (yesterday) taping up signs my 7-year-old had written. I decided to make a little frame they could slide a piece of paper into. It's got a groove cut halfway through each piece of 1x2, but I needed to complete the cut all the way through the piece they'd slide the sheet through. My solution was not my most-shining moment of problem solving.

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Here's the sign-holder, finished today (with 9 fingers working). I decided to use the piece that got kicked back -- with its damage intact as a reminder to myself of how dangerous the saw can be.

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Here's the enemy. Still some pieces of my glove on the blade tips.

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Here's the glove I was wearing and the piece of wood that got pulled by the blade.

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Not good focus, but here's a shot of the stitches while the doctor went to get something to wrap it up with. As far as I can tell, the nerve damage was pretty minimal. It was a messy cut on the inside -- I think the only long-term effect will be a slightly less-meaty finger pad.

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I'm typing this with nine good fingers. The other one will be back in service in a week or so. But I hope the post nudges anyone reading it to be just a little bit more careful in 2016. :beer:
 
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Re: Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

Good time to sell your wife on a SawStop.

We'd have one but I don't write the checks.
 

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My dad lost 1 finger and 2 others are only 1/4 functional.



And I still use my saw with no guards. Really should put them back on.
 

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Re: Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

Ouch!! Glad the damage was minimal all things considered. Lately I have been using the Grr-ripper 3D push blocks whenever possible. They really do a good job of keeping your hand away from the blade. Hopefully this is a good reminder for all of us to always plan your cuts and always be safe.

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Glad it was not worse! My dad has a groove in his thumb where he removed a section of the pad with his table saw. Good reminder to use my guide!
 

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The playhouse is cool.

Chicks dig scars but not missing fingers. Glad it wasnt worse
 

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Glad you are OK and that you have all 10 digits even if one is out of action at the moment!

Thanks for posting this, it is an excellent reminder for safety.

I'm not a fan of my table saw. It's safe if used properly but like your experience, doing something wrong or a moments inattention can easily bite bad, even if you've "gotten away" with other things or the same thing in the past.

It is not uncommon at all to encounter someone in my profession (heavy equipment mechanic) that is missing a finger...or has other injuries. Safety rules are written in blood. We are very careful when working and do our best to make sure that we are as safe as possible.

Be careful out there, ya'll, whether you are in the home shop or in a professional setting. NONE of what we do is worth being maimed, crippled, or killed.
 

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That looks nasty. How were you trying to make the cut? Also curious about the gloves. I've never worn gloves around a table saw - too much chance of getting snagged by the blade.
 

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Sorry to hear about the accident Jack but thanks for posting it up as a reminder to all of us. One of the rules I remember from high school class is no loose clothing around the power equipment, that would include your gloves. Next time, please remove the gloves.


The good news is it appears that you can type pretty good with 9 fingers, probably a helluva lot faster then me with all ten in good shape. Looks like your writing career won't get hampered too bad.
 

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I use a table saw pretty much on a daily basis and while I don't like reading about this happening, it's a good reminder not to become lax and to be careful at all times.

Think of your post as a public service announcement. :lol_hitti

Seriously though, glad you only suffered minimal damage(for a table saw injury anyway). Stay safe.
 

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Jack, glad you were not more seriously hurt. I was using my table saw just a couple hours ago, and made some feed thru changes when I got " that feeling". All went well. I just now realized that the saw I have now is the one I bought from my Dad before he passed away, and is the same one that I ragged up the end of my right thumb on when I was about 18. Looks like you were running the slot after the part was cut to length. I have always run the long stock through to make the common form before ever cutting any lengths. Short lengths on a table saw I stay away from. I wish you a quick healing.
 

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Glad it wasn't worse. Maybe a little more detail as how you had it set up and maybe those that have done such a cut safely could advise how to do so safely. Or alternative methods. Have had 2 kick backs on power tools but no injury just scared the **** outta me to the point I usually shy away from wood. Have a lot of carpentry coming up this summer and seriously looking at the Bosch saw that has a similar safer feature as the saw stop.
 

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I know first hand or is that finger, "OH ****!"

I did the exact same thing to the same finger down to the bone. It only took about 8 yrs to get 90% of the feeling back. Definitely makes me very aware when cutting now. Hope for speedy recovery.
 

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Glad you're ok. I've also had a mishap similar to yours, it scared the heck out of me. Had to have a little plastic surgery on my right index finger. The incident made me get rid of the cheapo tabletop saw I was using and got a good one from Craftsman.

Anyway I'm noting that it looks like the blade on your saw is like a 28 tooth saw blade. That seems to be too aggressive for smaller cuts, that blade would be used for like ripping 2x's or other rough cuts. Go with a 50 tooth blade and your cuts will not only be finer but will easier to control as it won't bite the wood as bad especially with smaller pieces.

I also usually use a feather board to keep the piece against the fence and I always have two push sticks handy to keep my fingers away from the blade. One bad thing I still not do is use blade guard, but I do give the blade the most respect. Also I've gotten into the habit of unplugging the saw whenever doing any adjustments now.

Remember, safety first and if that fails, heal fast.

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I'm glad it was no worse than it was! Been there done that! I used to work for a guy that made plaques, and I ran 2,500 to 5,000 feet through a table saw on a daily basis. There was a blade guard and if you kept your thumb vertical there was little chance of getting in the blade, but kick back sure was an issue from time to time, if our setup wasn't quite right. Well, when it happened to me we were making up some special pieces, and one small piece was dancing by the blade, and I figured I'd push it out of the way. Sure enough I almost cut the end of my thumb off! There was nothing to stitch up, but it grew in and now doesn't even get too cold like it did for about 5 years after the accident. The plan here is that once my wife gets her new kitchen, almost done (hired a professional for most of it), and her new bathroom, I get my new shop. When I have a big enough space, I'm going to trade off the old Delta motorized saw for a Saw Stop. My wonderful wife sees the opportunity for the safety and she is on board with it, if I can just keep from cutting myself till the shop is ready to go!
 

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Re: Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

I have many push sticks and finger boards for my saw(s). The best and safest one is a Gripper:

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It doesn't do every type of cut.

Jack, it's too late to advise you about that cut. First of all, you needed and zero clearance insert so that the work can't dive into the slot. Thin, vertical work is always dangerous but not good at all w/o the Z clearance insert.

2ndly, it's always a good idea to mount a cut like that on another board. 2-sided tape is enough and if the saw kicks hopefully you are off to the side and are pushing the board that the work is attached to and not in contact with the work piece so as to get sucked into the blade when the work kicks.

Even a better way is to make a fixture to hold the work on 2 sides if not 3.

I've had to make some cuts that took a minute to do but took a half hour to set up. I've had 3 pretty major kick backs over the years, the kind that can stick in the wall. They are not kind to the machine as they are violent. Huge bang of a noise and scared to death right at the moment. In those instances I analysed everything I did wrong and never did that again.

So far, I've been cut once and it was with a Skill saw and not a TS. The cut looked a lot like yours. It'll heal fine and you'll have all your feeling back. But for now you're a 9 fingered writer!
 
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Jack, thank you for your PSA, and for keeping it short and to the point. I was literally holding my breath reading it, and it was getting increasingly uncomfortable towards the end. ;)
Best wishes to a speedy and minimally painful complete recovery!

... it looks like the blade on your saw is like a 28 tooth saw blade. That seems to be too aggressive for smaller cuts, that blade would be used for like ripping 2x's or other rough cuts. Go with a 60 tooth blade and your cuts will not only be finer but will easier to control as it won't bite the wood as bad especially with smaller pieces.

I also usually use a feather board to keep the piece against the fence and I always have two push sticks handy to keep my fingers away from the blade. One bad thing I still not do is use blade guard,..

60 tooth blades are more for cross cutting and finish work, and I find they burn too much when ripping.
I'd suggest a 50 tooth blade for all purpose work. They have a large gullet following a flat topped rip tooth, and then four teeth behind that that alternate LRLR with a cross-cutting bevel.
Save the 60 tooth blade for the miter saw (LRLR for softer woods, TCG for harder stuff).

But as said elsewhere, the issue here was cutting too short a piece. A featherboard wouldn't have helped in this case, and a guard would have prevented anyone from cutting such a short piece anyway (though I'm not a huge fan of TS guards...).
A riving knife would probably have prevented the kickback, and for cutting small pieces, I use long pine push sticks, so that it's ok if you lose a little of the stick to the blade.
 

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Re: Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

Sorry to hear that, but at least it wasn't as bad as it could have been.

1) I know what I'm doing is stupid. But I figure I'll be lucky, like I have been my whole life.

I've been using a table saw for ages, and the one time I got my finger I was doing the same thing...it's always when you let your guard down that these things happen. It does serve as a good reminder from now on.
 

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Re: Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

I feel your pain Jack. Been there and done that 42 years ago. Bad cut, but no nerve damage. I regained full function and have only a small chunk of my right index pad missing.

Like Skamp I use the Grr-Ripper when I can. For cuts with the blade 90 degrees to the table I use a shop made throat plate with a splitter that functions like a riving knife. I also use a magnetic feather board to hold the work piece against the fence. My next shop made fixture will be a table saw sled with a removable miter jig. I have a full wood shop and use it a lot so I have considered the Saw Stop. I's still a ways off though since I'm not yet done with the shop building.

Stay safe my friend. I sincerely value your contributions to this forum. Thanks for all you do.

John Minton
 

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Glad its not worse Jack. That said, I cant fathom wearing gloves using a table saw or many other powered tools. I hope that didnt contribute to or get your finger pulled in there. Heal fast man! :beer:
 
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Re: Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

Thanks for the kind words and the sympathy, guys.

The good news is that the pad of the finger still seems to have all its feeling, and the very tip might as well -- although I'm not 100% sure, yet. I know if I end up with some numb spots there's still a good chance the body will slowly re-route stuff to work it out. But it's possible that I did no nerve damage at all. We'll see. But I definitely got off with what amounts to a slap on the wrist, when it comes to what could have happened.

And the bad news is that what I was doing was just plain dumb. I had ripped the groove into the side of the 1x2 stock at full length. Then I did the miter cuts. But then the last piece needed to be ripped all the way through for the middle 8-3/4" of its total 10-1/2" length (like a thin toaster slot). I decided to drop it down on the blade to make the majority of the cut, which I could then finish off with my Bladerunner (a jigsaw blade coming up out of a fixed table).

I first planned to stick the piece to a larger piece of wood, and also clamp in a stop so it would be able to rest on the table without moving. But then good sense said bye-bye and I decided to just do it quickly by hand, braced against the table face on one end and alongside the fence. I was coming in from the not-grooved side, so I didn't even need to let the blade come up the full inch and a half.

It didn't work out like I planned. :)

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure what other saw would do the cut. But I can also now see that I didn't really need to do the cut at all. I could have simply fully ripped a longer piece of the wood, mitered it, and then put in the fill/spacing I needed at either end. (Three third-thicknesses, sandwiched.)
 

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Man I got about a 1/3 the way in and went.. oh no! Glad to hear you ended up not loosing any digits.

When I bought my Jet table saw the first thing it did to me was kickback on me. I was lucky as all I got was a severe slap on the hand and a sprained wrist. I forget now just what I was doing but I remember I was ripping a small piece for something, and thought I don't need to grab the push stick.
 

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Ahhhhhhhhh........reminds me of good times....good times.

NOT REALLY!!!

Jack,
My next youngest brother Eric, had a Craftsman 10" table saw.

He built a beautiful hexagonal wood terrarium with glass panels in it. All small pieces and custom angles.

Next we heard he had cut half way through 3 fingers, cutting nerves, tendons, flesh and halfway through the bones. He had to live with the damage the rest of his life.

Cause was letting too much scrap pile up under the saw, and slipping on same.

I now have a 9" Craftsman without a guard. Seems to be slightly out of tune too. At least I put a good 40 tooth carbide blade on it.

I'm pretty scared of table saws, chainsaws, circular saws, band-saws, lathes etc.

I'm just learning to play the piano, and don't want to CUT into my practice.

Hope you mend as well as possible.

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I can relate to your injury, glad it wasn't worse for you.
I was cutting wood shims on my table saw 15 yrs ago and had a ooops moment, went thru very similar actions as you did. I ended up with a scar and large area of scar tissue on my left hand thumb.
 

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Jack, this is the only bit of your work that I haven't enjoyed seeing. The playhouse is nice though. My daughter just bought me a Sawstop last month. Great saw, excellent dust collection, etc. After all the years of working with my '48 Unisaw I am just trying to figure out how the new "safe" saw is going to try to get me. I hope you heal up well. My experience is that the flesh heals quickly, but the nerves take time. You have that, tap tap, I know there is a finger tip there, but darned if I can feel it, or it is just kinda dull. My experience was with a router table. I remember looking at this new fluting bit going, "boy, now that thing looks vicious." I finished running the work, turned the router off and turned, reached up into the low floor joist to grab some material stashed up there , put my hand back as a counterbalance and stuck my finger in the free-wheeling bit. It was going slow, but zip, zip zip. The Dr asked which little piece I wanted to sew to the other little pieces. All I can say is that life is a humbling experience.

I too, would suggest loosing the gloves with the spinning blades and grinding wheels.
 

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YIKES, Jack!

VERY sorry to read this. If there's anything I can do to help out while you're at reduced capacity, drop me a PM. I'm relatively nearby.

I hear (co-worker had a VERY serious table saw injury years ago) that the throbbing the first few hours is very hard to deal with. Take your meds and don't try to muscle through it!
Wishing you all the best, Dan
 

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I've had 3 pretty major kick backs over the years, the kind that can stick in the wall. They are not kind to the machine as they are violent. Huge bang of a noise and scared to death right at the moment.

Same here, cutting 3/4 oak on a radial saw in my basement, saw threw the oak piece back at me. Thankfully I was standing off to the side, scary how much of the ceiling's 2x10 it took a chunk out off when it hit.
 

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Re: Table-Saw Trouble: Let's Be Safe In 2016

It is good that you didn't lose a finger or two. We can't be too careful, especially with a saw. Hopefully your injury will heal quickly.
 

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Clinically speaking.....you should be fine.

Clinically speaking.....you're one lucky SOB.........

Did the glove contribute to pulling your finger in??
 

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When my son, then 16 years old, told me he was old enough to use my saw I said to him; " I have only one safety lecture; This saw is so dumb, the only difference it knows between fingers and boards is that fingers are easier to cut."

He has not cut any fingers yet, but it has been only 30 years so there is hope yet.
 

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Hurts to even look at.

But I must ask, why gloves? I never wear gloves when using the table saw. I figure it's too easy for them to get caught in something.

And your blade looks a little tired....which can lead to issues. But then again, a sharp blade can cause more damage to the hand.

Just glad you're ok.
 
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I don't think the glove played much of a role in it. I've always known not to wear gloves with low-RPM, high-torque tools like a drill press or a mill. With the table saw, the RPMs are so high it just sailed right through it. In looking at the glove, I don't see any evidence of it getting 'caught.' But I'm no expert, and some of the reading I've done today suggests there's a danger from the way a glove reduces your feel of the material. I don't think that was a factor here, but I also don't see any benefit to a glove in this situation. I'll take them off in the future.

The piece of wood I was cutting ended up going down under the table -- I believe my finger rode it as it moved and the blade emerged and got me.
 

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I keep contemplating why I am doing all this work to upgrade my table saw so that it has as many modern safety features as possible. This reminded me why.
 
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