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[jives]

Re: Bending Hardwood With Steam -- Or Not

Sorry, not going to comment on the wood bending, but on the Lido 14. I grew up in San Diego sailing those and 8" Sabots. Last time I was in the Lido I was crewing with my dad in a race on Mission Bay. We were in the lead and a massive squall came up and we got caught in a jibe. Eventually we and many of the other Lidos turned turtle. Fun stuff.

 

[Jack Olsen]

Re: Bending Hardwood With Steam -- Or Not

Ya, you needed more steam.

I will say when I saw your steam source, I couldn't imagine you would have enough steam to have success. Its all about btu's and volume and the stove and teapot just weren't enough.

Yes, my source was too dainty. I agree. I moved it closer to the tube, and then also added negative pressure (shop vac at the other end of the tube) and was able to get the temperature up. And before that, I tried the heat gun at the far end, but that led to the PVC turning into butter.

A 5-gallon fuel can on top of a decent-sized burner is the way I've seen it done on YouTube, which makes sense. Seeing gas tanks on top of a fire makes me nervous, but if it's a virgin can I'm sure it's good. I thought about emptying a can (trips outside of the house being a pain in the neck right now), and then thought about residual fumes igniting. So I took a step back and just brought the heat gun to the wet wood.

I make Windsor chairs --- Use big plastic tube (looks like gray PVC) connected to a wall paper steamer. Just a bigger version of what you made .....

I've also seen long plastic bags used, the advantage being you can clamp it in the bag and keep the heat going as long as you want. As it happened, of course, I had just thrown away a 20' long plastic bag tube...

Sorry, not going to comment on the wood bending, but on the Lido 14. I grew up in San Diego sailing those and 8" Sabots. Last time I was in the Lido I was crewing with my dad in a race on Mission Bay. We were in the lead and a massive squall came up and we got caught in a jibe. Eventually we and many of the other Lidos turned turtle. Fun stuff.

We've really enjoyed ours. Knowing that we're going to capsize sooner or later, I added a float to the top of the mast. It was originally a $10 lobster trap float, which I trimmed to a more aerodynamic shape. I also put a camera mount inside it for above-the-boat video shots.

 

[rlitman]

Re: Bending Hardwood With Steam -- Or Not

...I considered doing that. My worry was that any kind of plywood (especially made by me) was likely to run into trouble when it's exposed to so much saltwater.

A few decades ago, glue options were either super difficult to work with or not so waterproof. Today, I'd trust Titebond III for exactly that sort of piece. But your bent single piece sure does look better than a laminated once.

 

[Jack Olsen]

Re: Bending Hardwood With Steam -- Or Not

Yeah. This was a piece of 'African' mahogany that cost me all of $10.45. So I was aiming for simple and quick -- at least, initially.

It ended up taking awhile. But the edge would be visible, so any lamination would make this piece look different than the rest of the wood pieces on the boat.

 

[Squankum]

Yes, I've painted it a few times (I think I've had two of the Magnaflow mufflers). High-temp paint, probably primer. Maybe once there was a coat of barbecue grille paint put on with a brush? But high-temp flat black on there now. It's held up better than I would have thought. And yes, for aesthetic reasons. If I didn't paint part of the exit pipes, it would just look plain weird.

Jack! An update from 2.75 years ago:

Ordered an aftermarket stainless exhaust for my old Benz sedan (from Time Valve in FL), talked about painting with them, they said they'd soda blast the rear pipe and rear muffler for better adhesion. I got it, spray painted it at home with high temp primer and high temp flat black paint (off the shelf humdrum Advance Auto type stuff, if not that brand, the other brand) and it worked out just fine. Haven't had a problem with it since.

Thanks!



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[MARKSTANG]

My first Thought, this was a story about Jack:

https://www.motor1.com/news/352416/...pvJW-VTl1fXmUBeKE4rNwVN1OGMz3zXK9uGMp-icuINGw

 

[jimkinney]

Hey Jack,

I see the boat up on the lift, but where's the camper? Did you build another lift?

Nice job on the bending. A friend used the swimming pool method years ago building a dash for a Jeep. He was trying to flatten a warped board, but it worked.

 

[Squankum]

Jack, I'm still catching up on this thread, and I'm at the point where the camper is up in the air. Sorry if somebody else already thought of this, but a vinyl wrap on the roof of the camper that is a photo of terra cotta roofing tiles would make your trailer invisible to the outside world!

 

[alpinewhite]

Re: Bending Hardwood With Steam -- Or Not

A cabinet maker of my acquaintance once gave me a tour of his shop. His steam bending setup was a boiler made from a 5 gallon metal paint can with a plastic hose connected to a capped length of ABS Pipe with the steam line connected to a Tee fitting.

He had a wooden fixture to clamp the parts in position as they dried.

A pic of this would really help.

 

[alpinewhite]

Re: Bending Hardwood With Steam -- Or Not

I’ve never steamed wood but I soaked in water to shape.

This turned out nicely. Where did you get the chrome pieces that hold the glass?

 

[Dan in Pasadena]

Jack, I'm still catching up on this thread, and I'm at the point where the camper is up in the air. Sorry if somebody else already thought of this, but a vinyl wrap on the roof of the camper that is a photo of terra cotta roofing tiles would make your trailer invisible to the outside world!

Yeah, but then he'd have to tow it around looking like his camper has a terra cotta roof!

 

[Craptain]

Yeah, but then he'd have to tow it around looking like his camper has a terra cotta roof!

In California that would not look so unusual. Come to think of it, it might not raise too many eyebrows here in Florida.

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[Squankum]

Yeah, but then he'd have to tow it around looking like his camper has a terra cotta roof!

I guess I'm weird. That could be kinda kewl! A SoCal antidote to the "hillbilly shack on wheels" gag campers that are out there.

I went a googlin' for tarps that had a terra cotta print on them and got nowhere. Of course Jack being in show biz, he might know some prop people. Actually, billboard people could do this, since most billboards nowadays seems to be printed on fabric that is then placed on the billboard.

(I'm assuming he'd rather have a tarp for camouflage above trailer and sailboat, rather than a terra cotta-look vinyl wrap on his trailer.)

I'm not saying he needs to fool the Russian spy satellites... but it will fool the satellites that google maps uses and somebody his neighbors who poke around the neighborhood on google maps satellite view will never notice a thing.

One more thing about your lifted conveyances, Jack: when I first saw them, I thought, cables? Winches? As a layman with no industrial experience it just doesn't feel right... but i had also recently noticed on Hoovie's garage (the dumbest car channel on youtube) that he has many of his exotic cars stored in stackers that really are just a commercial version of what you've got -- steel cables, pulleys, steel columns. OK, then. Real engineers are doing it.

See:

 

[Jack Olsen]

I like how you think, Squankum. The Spanish-tile trick is smart. My neighbors all happen to be very tolerant of my weirdness, but I'd thought about painting something that looked like vines or shrubs on the one part that was visible across the street.

But then I switched it up, and put an actual cover over the camper. The camper had been functioning very poorly as rain protection for the car I park underneath it. But I realized if I put a cover over the camper I could improve on that -- and also reduce the long-term UV and rain problems for the camper itself. Plus, I could paint the cover to match the surrounding surfaces. It's actually three different colors, based on where it's visible.

It's even got a fabric skirt.

Automotive lifts do hide cables and hydraulic cylinders under their steel. But the conceptual model lightbulb went off in my head when I saw boat lifts -- which are designed to sit in the water next to a dock and then raise a boat up and out of the water. I adapted that idea with my good-engineering-for-a-screenwriter brain. So far, my emergency brake system (sets of 4 automotive seatbelt mechanisms) have not had to be put to the test. But I never stand near or under the things when they're not in the resting-on-pins or resting-on-the-concrete position.

Here's a boat lift video:

 

[Squankum]

Personal boat lifts: my gawd, don't these people ever want to give their children a chance to scrape barnacles and learn to sand and paint with epoxy paints? It builds character!

I've resisted the urge to discuss my nautical childhood much after seeing your sailboat purchase, but I did learn two things watching my father, when I was a boy:

a) sailboats are great! Borrow or crew on somebody else's
2) Or, have a small one

Hooray for #2.

When you said boat lift, I thought of much larger, industrial things. Every year, our marina would, for a fee, take our boat out of the water, pick it up with a large steel contraption that had four steel columns, a motor, slings etc etc, and carry it over to some wooden V-shaped (I forget the nomenclature... cradle?) and leave it there for the winter. And if they set it down at the wrong angle the cockpit would gather rainwater and leak into the cabin below.

Also, my father, being cheap, liked to build his own boats. This was a 21 foot boat that was a kit he mail ordered. (A semi truck dropped off a very large crate in our driveway.)

Let's just say we spent more time building and maintaining than sailing. (But all that being said, I did learn a lot as a wee lad, with the building.)

OK, something else I learned, from the thinking-outside-the-box brain of my father, the amateur naval architect, and you can apply this to your li'l boat:

Want to go faster? Commission a sailmaker to sew you up a catamaran-style full-batten mainsail. (My li'l 10 footer only had a mainsail, though, and you have a jib... I have no idea if it was a good idea, but it seemed to work for us.)

 

[Jack Olsen]

Those industrial things use the exact same four-cable-segents idea, but larger and stouter. I remember after buying the boat, driving past the places where they service the big sailboats at the marina, looking at exactly how they engineered them.

As it happens, I just got a picture from up high that shows the patio shade covering I made (six years ago), the camper lift (two years ago) and the boat lift. All of it is out of the line of sight of just about everyone (except me), but it's also the stuff of Homeowners' Association's nightmares.

I was careful not to block my neighbor's solar panels.

 

[Squankum]

Well, solar panels would cover the camper, too! And eventually pay for themselves.

And the North Vietnamese Army would just plant plants and vines that grow to cover what's hiding below. Little bit of framework and give occasional guidance to the tendrils.

I can't find a photo of their managing live vegetation to form a canopy over a road. Closest I can find is this pic, merely adding chopped vegetation to a bridge. (There was more where that came from.)

 

[Fatandre]

no update?

 

[Jack Olsen]

Updates? Change comes slower, now. Here's the garage in two pictures, taken 8 years apart.

And we added another puppy recently.

 

[pwschuh]

C'mon Jack... all dogs have a name. Watcha got?

 

[Outlawmws]

Well, the current pics shows some over growth (Ivy?) no fire extinguisher ( ) and the paper towel bar is falling down?

 

[Jack Olsen]

C'mon Jack... all dogs have a name. Watcha got?

Pip. The kids named him.

Well, the current pics shows some over growth (Ivy?) no fire extinguisher ( ) and the paper towel bar is falling down?

We pulled the vines at some point over worries it was hurting the plaster. I miss it. (But I don't have to trim it.)

Good eyes. The paper towels were originally mounted at 45° because I had an idea they'd tear off better that way. I was wrong. When I installed a GoJo dispenser, I straightened it out.

And my father is a fire safety engineer, so there have always been multiple extinguishers in many locations. (Currently 8!)

 

[ddawg16]

Pip. The kids named him.



We pulled the vines at some point over worries it was hurting the plaster. I miss it. (But I don't have to trim it.)

Good eyes. The paper towels were originally mounted at 45° because I had an idea they'd tear off better that way. I was wrong. When I installed a GoJo dispenser, I straightened it out.

And my father is a fire safety engineer, so there have always been multiple extinguishers in many locations. (Currently 8!)

You have me beat.....1 in the kitchen and 2 in the garage.

But, then again, I'd rather plan things out so I never need to use it.

One of the reasons I no longer have any gas powered lawn tools....all electric...so no gas in my garage....and my jeep no longer fits in it.

 

[Arclitgold]

Garage looks good! If it ain’t broke...


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[kbuhagiar]

Looking good, Jack.

Can't believe I've been following this thread for around nine years.

Keep the updates coming, your adventures are one of the highlights of GJ.

Cheers!

 

[Grizz1963]

Updates? Change comes slower, now. Here's the garage in two pictures, taken 8 years apart.

And we added another puppy recently.

Welcome to the new pup.

Looks like a wide awake guy.

Here’s to a good year for,you,and your family.

 

[alpinewhite]

I have Jack and this thread to blame for having bought my 10 Lista/Vidmar/Lyon cabinets. I have never even heard of those brands until I saw this thread. I was happy being able to build cabinets out of plywood.

 

[Ronin22]

Had a good one playing "spot the differences" with those two pictures.
Cheers Jack!

 

[shortykorte]

I have Jack and this thread to blame for having bought my 9 Lista/Vidmar/Lyon cabinets. I have never even heard of those brands until I saw this thread. I was happy being able to build cabinets out of plywood.

Ditto


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[shortykorte]

Jack still a great garage for us to inspire towards.

Since it has been 8 years, how’s the layout working and is there any major thing you’d change or tweak?


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[BBE]

That tiled floor with the lift looks fantastic. Very clean!

 

[Southern83]

I have Jack and this thread to blame for having bought my 9 Lista/Vidmar/Lyon cabinets. I have never even heard of those brands until I saw this thread. I was happy being able to build cabinets out of plywood.

I'm up to 3 Vidmar/Lyon and one Lyon cabinet work bench. Biggest take away for me is I now have a shop "color" and all cabinets and boxes are painted to match.

 

[flyingdog]

Different license plate!

 

[jocww]

different bench cabinet as well

 

[OJKD]

I am inspired. This is great, following !

 

[GirlnAgarage]

Hey Jack, I wondered if you were still around here and how you were doing. Yes, updates do kinda take a bit don't they, especially after you get the garage to an ideal level. Least, that's what I was coming to the conclusion of as I checked in with my stuff here. Since getting my garage to more where I wanted it, the changes come small. Like, my pegboard need rearrangement because the radio is not really working anymore more and I added a new Milwalkee square. I added a couple wall cabinets on cleats. It's not big stuff, but part of the little stuff that creeps in with time and use.

The place still looks good. Glad you're still around

Well, the current pics shows some over growth (Ivy?) no fire extinguisher ( ) and the paper towel bar is falling down?

 

[CN Spots]

The stool has drifted 6 inches to the left.

 

[PugetDude]

License plate is a different color.

 

[fouckhest]

I'm still shocked no one noticed the different tail lights

 

[eklipsis]

I'm still shocked no one noticed the different tail lights

Thats how you know its a garage forum and not a car/Porsche forum.

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