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I will give them a call to figure out what happened.

So I talked with Scott at LEDlightingWholesaleInc and he said that the bulbs can be run directly off of 120V as per the documentation on their site.

I thought it was worth testing so I plugged a bulb directly into and extension cord and it lit right up! They work as advertised.

Cheers,
Ian
 
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So I talked with Scott at LEDlightingWholesaleInc and he said that the bulbs can be run directly off of 120V as per the documentation on their site.

I thought it was worth testing so I plugged a bulb directly into and extension cord and it lit right up! They work as advertised.

Cheers,
Ian

Did you measure the amp draw without the ballast?
 
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Doing the lighting math, it looks like I need 35 of the 4ft fixtures, along with 70 bulbs. I'm looking at the Maxlite housings and bulbs but I'm a little concerned with quality.

Is there a higher quality option in the $50-$60 per fixture range? I don't feel like jumping up to the $100 per fixture option that the local supply houses have.
 

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I can't speak for longevity but the build quality of the James/Diva tubes seems to be pretty good.
 

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I just replaced 4 failing fluorescent tubes with 4 Feit replacement tubes from Costco to my garage. They are the tubes only, direct swap, no messing with ballast and were $13 for a 2-pack. They are GREAT, like daylight in the areas where I installed them.
 

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I'm looking at this thread for some direction for my shop. It's a 24x45 (1080 sf) metal building. The ceiling is closed cell foam that's painted gloss white. The walls are light grey plywood, and the floor is a medium grey (Rust Bullet). The way the trusses work out, it would be nice to hang 21 lights, 3 on each of the 7 exposed trusses.

The lights in the first post of this thread (James ZY-T8-18W1200 BIXX-50K and MaxLite LSS2XT8USE4803) put out 2250 lumens/bulb. With 21 fixtures, my math shows:
(21 fixtures) x (2 bulbs/fixture) x (2250 lumens/bulb) = 94,500 lumens
(94,500 lumens) / (1080 square feet) = 87.5 lumens/sf

That's pretty close to the goal of 100 foot candles. So I think I'm good?

The next issue is trying to get 21 of these fixtures. They seem to be sold in groups of 15. What are my options for getting 21 of them? I want to stick with 5000K bulbs. I noticed that the MaxLite fixture has the options of adding two 5000K bulbs for $18. Are these LED lights? Are they as good as the James lights?
 

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anyone care to elaborate on how these would fare, versus the ones in the original post? seems to just be 120 vs 230 degree beam angle, and ballast bypass required? these are a little cheaper and in stock. just trying to determine if the 230 degrees are unsuitable for some reason. will be going in 10 ft ceilings ...

http://www.beeslighting.com/product-p/t8r-48-22l-50k-b.htm

I just installed the 4000k version of those tubes and am enjoying them very much. I am running 24 bulbs in 12 of the Maxlite fixtures in my 20x30 three car garage. Lighting is very even and well distributed. Obviously I can't compare them to the original 120deg bulbs, but I'm very happy with my choice.

link to the bulbs I got:
http://www.beeslighting.com/product-p/t8r-48-22l-50k-b.htm

I had the lights on and garage doors open the other night and my neighbor across the street said he thought the light spill from my garage might be better than the existing lighting in his. :lol:
 
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anytime your lights can elicit neighbor envy you've done something right, lol

good feedback on the 230 degrees, i am considering them for my project also. per some good info i got from "cybrdyke" on another thread, they may well work better than the 120's in 10 ft or less ceilings ...
 
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I am not a fan of the bare bulb lights...

Id like a wrap around diffuser and a nice looking fixture- basically a 2 or 4 tube 48" fixture with direct wire LED tubes. No ballast.

My rationale:

1. 'Nice" fixtures which are LED based are super expensive- well over $100 per fixture.

2. With my 'LED tube in a fluorescent style fixture' you can then replace the tube' in the future if you have an LED issue- not replace the whole fixture. Cheaper


3, Replacing the bulb means that in 5, 10, 15 years when the mfg of the integrated LED fixture is out of business and the fixture obsolete, you can pop in a new 48" 'bulb' and you are good to go. Not wind up with mismatched fixtures.


So, a light like this:

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$46 on amazon

Love to buy it without a ballast...

Then two bulbs for $9.50 per.

$66 per light

Or this:

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This one comes in 2 and 3 bulb versions. $140 for the 2 bulb version



This also comes in an LED version...it looks like $284 on line:

Acuity Lithonia LED Volumetric Surface Fixture (4 ft). Model: STL4 48L D50 LP835 NX.... approx 4800 Lumen output



Or this one, lithonia LB3...3 bulbs...T532:

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$96 per fixture, with a ballast Id toss immediately.


Anyway...i might have missed the 'best' in the 40 pages here...but in my quest for a more finished looking light, any suggestions??

Anyone know of a good looking fixture (no ballast needed) that I can drop LED tubes into??

(Probably need 16 two tube fixtures)
 

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any update to this as we are in 2017 now? I have 1000sqft garage and I want to use LED, ceilings are 12-14'

thx

Jim
 

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anyone care to elaborate on how these would fare, versus the ones in the original post? seems to just be 120 vs 230 degree beam angle, and ballast bypass required? these are a little cheaper and in stock. just trying to determine if the 230 degrees are unsuitable for some reason. will be going in 10 ft ceilings ...

http://www.beeslighting.com/product-p/t8r-48-22l-50k-b.htm

I just installed this very lamp in my 24 x 32 garage with 10' ceilings. I modified 5 - 8' x 2 florescant lamps to 5 - 4 x 4' LED lamps. Very happy with the upgrade.

http://www.beeslighting.com/product-p/t8r-48-22l-50k-b.htm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172360441953?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT#rwid

Cost was around $40 per fixture, including retrofit kit and lamps.
 

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Platonic Solid, what info out of DIALux would you need to see, to give me your opinion on my design and fixtures?



Thanks!
 
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Platonic Solid, what info out of DIALux would you need to see, to give me your opinion on my design and fixtures?



Thanks!

Never mind...I just re-read the first post and can figure it out from there. Thanks for the heads-up on the software...does what I want to do, far easier and better than AutoCAD.
 

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Anyone have any discount codes to bees lighting. I'm looking to order a lot of bulbs and fixtures. So looking to save any money i can.
 

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I have six 8' fixtures to put LED's in and I will be doing the ballast bypass and also
the conversion to use 4' bulbs. Thanks for that link I didn't know this was available
before looking here. Also going to try the bees lighting bulbs linked above.

Will report back on results once done.
 
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Finally ready to pull the trigger on the MaxLight fixtures in the OP. The spec sheet states: Wire Tie tabs std. with fixture, Cable kit mounting accessory
available
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I'm not sure what the first part of that sentence means. Are the "wire tie tabs" just flat metal tabs on the top of the fixture that have a wire hole? Has anyone purchased the "cable kit mounting accessory"? Does anyone have pictures and/or feedback on these two mounting methods?

Thanks, Cory
 

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Finally ready to pull the trigger on the MaxLight fixtures in the OP. The spec sheet states: Wire Tie tabs std. with fixture, Cable kit mounting accessory
available
.

I'm not sure what the first part of that sentence means. Are the "wire tie tabs" just flat metal tabs on the top of the fixture that have a wire hole? Has anyone purchased the "cable kit mounting accessory"? Does anyone have pictures and/or feedback on these two mounting methods?

I asked Bees Lighting about mounting, and they sent me to MaxLite customer service. They are in NJ, and returned my call within 15 minutes. If I understood their description correctly, the "wire tie tabs" are close to what I described above, and the "cable kit mounting" is just wires that go through the tabs. I have a swaging tool, so it should be easy to create my own cable mounting.

Bees sales dept. was helpful. Their price break quantities are really high (100+ for the Maxlite fixtures and 600+ for the Diva LED tubes), so I just ordered 5 fixtures and 10 tubes. With their free shipping over $75, the total cost was less than LED Lighting Wholesale, and I've read nothing but good things about Bees.

Will report back once I have one mounted and operational.

Cory
 

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Okay, LED's arrived from Bee's today and this is the before/after result:

Pole barn is 30 x 40 feet with a concrete floor.

Picture #1 is the 3 four foot long florescent fixtures that came with the property.

Pictures #2 - #4 are the LED's - I ended up with 10 fixtures, 4 bulbs each.
More or less evenly spaced over the framing.

Excuse the crappy cell phone pictures, they don't do the resulting light
the justice that it deserves.

A couple observations:

If I were to do this again, I would just buy the fixtures correctly pre-wired for
direct power LED bulbs rather than spending the time to convert existing
fixtures. It's just not worth the time, and the "universal fit" kits are not
really all that universal if you end up with sheet metal fixtures that were
manufactured by several different companies as I did.

I would also go with 4 foot long fixtures and spread them out just a little
bit. This would get a little more light around the edges of the shop.

Overall, I am now very happy with the amount of light inside the shop.

Floor mat courtesy of our friends at Garage Flooring LLC, I am also very
happy with that as I spilled about 3 quarts of oil from the cruiser engine
that is sitting on the makeshift bench. It cleaned up quick and easy off
of the mat.

It'll be a few years until I can get around to really finishing out the shop
but until the house is done (or at least as "done" as a house ever gets)
it will work for me quite well.
 

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The first post could use a bit of updating for links and pricing.

At this time, based on a direct comparison between the two linked websites, with 30bulbs and 15 fixtures Bee's is the cost winner hands down.



Ledlightingwholesaleinc.com LED T8 Tubes (James Magic tubes)
Case of 30 = $268.50

Ledlightingwholesaleinc.com Strip (Maxlite)
Qty of 1 = $15.96
Qty of 15 = $12.50/pc BUT you get hit with a $30 overweight shipping charge
Cost for 15 = $217.50

Then to my Ohio residence shipping is $45.04

Grand Total to my door from LEDLightingwholesaleinc = $531.04




Beeslighting.com LED T8 Tubes (DIVA Light)
Qty of 30 = $254.70

Beeslighting.com Strip (Diva Light)
Qty of 15 = $224.55

Shipping = FREE

Grand Total to my door from Beeslighting = $479.25
 
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D94R - Yeah, it's been almost a year since last update. I will fix it this evening. Thanks for doing the work. :thumbup:
 

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No problem. Since my barn is almost done and I've been researching the heck out of LED lights I figured it's the least I could do.
 

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cybrdyke what is the issue with the James LED's? I haven't seen any negative posts.

P.S. I had read some time ago about delivery being very slow, but nothing lately.
 
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Thanks both of you for your efforts.
A question on the "single end" bypass type tubes. I'm assuming that both end tombstones need to be non shunted?
 
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Dragfluid - I believe you are correct as you may risk shorting power if the non-powered end of a single end powered LED bulb is installed in a shunted tombstone. Since there are many manufacturers of these things, I yield to the wiring instructions that come with the bulb. That said, you can't go wrong by replacing all tombstones with non-shunted type.
 

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I jumped on this thread more than 2 years ago. The work laid out by Plantonic Solid was a great benefit and appreciated. However, he inferred at the time the LED industry was still immature and pricing and technology was changing rapidly. I have read the entire thread 2 times and I am no better off today than 2 years ago. As with anything new, that is stimulated and kicked off by legislation, charlatans and opportunists will rush in to take advantage. Some of the stuff coming out of China, branded with trusted American names is pure ****. I have even had lights dropped-shipped directly to me with all Chinese addressing on the package. They didn’t even go to the American importer for repackaging. They came straight to me from China. Dimming was non-dimming. 1 out of 4 would not even light. Instant-on was not! In fact, I still don’t have any LEDs that are truly instant on. There is always a millisecond starting delay. The 50,000 life we find out isn’t a life at all. It is a percent of dimness.

I have lowered my expectations . . . I can wait no more. I will most likely buy some of the lights linked to in #824 above. Thanks. Many thanks to all that have contributed to this thread and of course, the OP.
 
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I am not a fan of the bare bulb lights...Id like a wrap around diffuser and a nice looking fixture
Snip . . .
Anyone know of a good looking fixture (no ballast needed) that I can drop LED tubes into??
Great question . . . anybody?
 

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I bought 5 of the fixtures and 10 of the tubes from the OP (both Maxlite brand), and thought my impressions might be helpful.

First, a big thumbs up to Bees Lighting. Their customer service has been great. I was concerned about buying Chinese tubes not backed by a large American company, but Bees explained that they stand behind the full 5-year warranty.

The order came quickly. My only knock is the packaging of the tubes. They sent my 10 in what looked like the standard packaging for 15 tubes, with very little extra packing in the box. By the time they got to me, the tubes were just loose in the box. Thankfully, only one was broken. Bees immediately shipped a replacement, but it was also broken by the time it got to me, so Bees just refunded the cost of the tube. That was my request, since these 5 fixtures are for testing and I'll be ordering more fixtures and tubes later this year.

I have 2 fixtures up and wired, and I'm impressed for approx $32 per fixture. My garage is 30x50. The walls are 13' and the peak is approx 18'. My plan is approx 18 of these fixtures in 2 outer rows and approx 5 high bays down the middle. I think it will be plenty of light!

The fixtures are approx 14" from the outer wall and approx 11' high. I realized that my 12' ladder is not tall enough for me to permanently attach the inner mount, so please excuse the temporary yellow plastic chain. Here are some pics.

Fixtures just look like metal rectangular boxes when first unpacked.

fixture 3 by cory58f5, on Flickr

Some assembly required, which was easy. Instructions were good enough. There is plenty of wire for the connections.

fixture 1 by cory58f5, on Flickr

fixture 2 by cory58f5, on Flickr

Testing the tubes.

test tubes by cory58f5, on Flickr

Milestone – first fixture mounted a operational!

First light hung by cory58f5, on Flickr

Cory
 

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Thanks for the pics Cory. I was set to do just that but you beat me.

I too suffered a broken single bulb in the "25 pack" they shipped. As you point out, there was no packing other than being double boxed. Mine took a slight hit during shipping and shattered one bulb. I have an email into Bee's so hopefully they are as good as you say about CS. The 5 single bulbs they shipped were all bubble wrapped rather sufficiently though.

I only did a quick spot check of my strips but mine did not come with assy or wiring instructions. For me, it's not an issue, but for some it may be. Maybe one of the others have it in there.
 

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I only did a quick spot check of my strips but mine did not come with assy or wiring instructions. For me, it's not an issue, but for some it may be. Maybe one of the others have it in there.

Strange. I have not checked all of mine, just the first one. Chinese quality control?

Not sure why, but one thing the instructions stated was to install the powered tombstones on the end that has the mounting hole for the cover farther away (closer to the center of the fixture). I didn't even notice that the cover mounting holes were not symmetrical until I read that instruction.

Cory
 

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I'm about to buy a bunch of lights from Bees, but I can't figure out what to do with my garage attic. I have low ceilings and I need 7 wrap fixtures. If I was going fluorescent I would just get the Lithonia LB232 low profile curved basket wrap:

http://www.lithonia.com/commercial/lb.html

These lights are available for about $50, probably a little less if I shopped around. If I throw out the ballast and replace with Bees LEDs, the total fixture cost is $80.

However, Lithonia sells an equivalent LED fixture which looks the same on the outside:

http://www.lithonia.com/commercial/lbl+led.html

However this fixture is like $120. They are dimmable (which I don't need), but is the light output significantly different?

One concern with the first fixture is the tombstone angle, as the LED bulbs are designed to face down. I think these face down but not sure.

Has anyone used the LB232 fixture with LED replacement bulbs? Is it worth springing for the LED custom fixture?
 

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*********************************************
Best bang for the buck LED bypass 4ft 2-lamp strip light as of 7/12/2017:


Here's the Diva Lite Spec sheet (linked)

Here's the Diva-Lite DLC report showing almost 135 Lumens per Watt.

Diva Lite UL Listing File: #E472082

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Yes, the title was meant to get you here. There are way too many threads about the exact same: “What light fixture should I buy for my garage?” question. Should you go LED or Fluorescent? Strip Light, recessed cans, screw-in bulbs of any flavor, … the options never end.

Disclaimer: I have been designing lighting products for over 30 years, primarily for the military and specialty markets. I do not design consumer grade residential lighting. Designing a 200 Lumen per watt fixture is easy, but not cost effective (yet). I have no affiliation with any company mentioned and I have nothing to gain by sharing my research. Everything stated is my opinion. I am human.

Typical Garage/Workshop Lamp options:

• Bare F54T5HO lamps produce too much glare when mounted below 15 feet. If you like them, put them in a wrap style or louvered fixture to cut down the glare.
• 400W Metal Halide can be quite efficient, but also produce too much glare when mounted below 15 feet. Additionally a 20,000 hr. 36,000 lumen 400W MH lamp will only produce 25,000 lumens after 8,000 hrs. = 30% light output loss.
• All T12 and T12HO Lamps should be considered obsolete. That doesn’t mean there aren’t some very efficient T12 options out there.
• Recessed Can type fixtures do not have the beam spread necessary to produce high lumen shadow free lighting unless you use a ridiculous amount of them.
• LED ballast-bypass 4ft retrofits are your best bang for the buck option. Long life, excellent efficiency and immediate full brightness in cold temperatures. Just be aware that there’s no shortage of no name Chinese LED bulbs and fixtures with questionable specifications and no third party certification.
• F32T8 Lamps are designed to be mounted below 20 feet and there’s quite a head spinning variety out there. Some are capable of lasting 84,000 hrs., providing 100+ lumens per watt and a reasonable 85 CRI.
• You can have higher CRI in both fluorescent and LED, but you will sacrifice efficiency and light output. I’m not going to address that here as the vast majority of people do not need CRI higher than 85 in their garage.

Here’s the original comparison spreadsheet, though as of this post edit (7/12/17) it's now almost 2 years old so all links and data are questionable: Lighting System Comparison. (I'll have to get around to making it mostly LED related.)

Here's an Excel viewer if you don't have Excel: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=10
Spreadsheet was created in Excel 2010 and has xlsx extension.
You can also open and edit in Google Sheets.


Looking to throw some lighting in my soon to be finished garage, 24x24. Do you still suggest these for that specific build? 9 foot walls surface mounted of course.

If so, how many? I am thinking 4 of them, evenly spaced.
 

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I have bought mine from Four-Bros.com. My garage is 10'x20' with a 16' ceiling height T5 4 lamp high bay for 65 bucks i believe because I wanted a super bright garage. They told me typically for every 100 soft you should use one 4 lamp high bay so I bought 2 with T5 fluorescent tubes in 5000K. Overall transaction for 2 fixtures with 8 tubes cost me around $200.



Your roughly twice the height as me, I do want super bright though


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