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Between 705 & 1200 SQ/FT The Cold Cactus Garage

Workspaces between 705 and 1200 squarefeet.

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welcome back.

I can always come up with reasons to not be able to move forward on just about anything.

I would start on one side and get it into shape even if it isn't the final solution.
 
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It's been over 3 years since I last updated this thread. Seems to be trend :(

Hey buddy, I didn't even know you were on here. Hope all is well! Holy smokes you have gathered a very impressive collection of tools, I should just come over there lol.

I am hoping to start my garage/shop soon. Just waiting on permits, well new permits. I had it all done and permits in hand and then changed my mind.....so I'm the process of revising those plans and took an extension while we amend them.

It will end up being overall roughly 60W x 56D with a 36W x 56D storage side and a 24W x 50D shop side. The shop side will be two stories and have an upstairs, two bathrooms, one up one down.

Once it's more than just out of control weeds I will start a build thread lol.

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Hey buddy, I didn't even know you were on here. Hope all is well! Holy smokes you have gathered a very impressive collection of tools, I should just come over there lol.

I am hoping to start my garage/shop soon. Just waiting on permits, well new permits. I had it all done and permits in hand and then changed my mind.....so I'm the process of revising those plans and took an extension while we amend them.

It will end up being overall roughly 60W x 56D with a 36W x 56D storage side and a 24W x 50D shop side. The shop side will be two stories and have an upstairs, two bathrooms, one up one down.

Once it's more than just out of control weeds I will start a build thread lol.

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Jordan??

I would go deeper on the storage side if you can. Like 65' or ideally 70'. That way if you ever get a big 5th wheel, you can pull the truck in with camper. I would think that feature would help resale down the road too.
 

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Jordan??

I would go deeper on the storage side if you can. Like 65' or ideally 70'. That way if you ever get a big 5th wheel, you can pull the truck in with camper. I would think that feature would help resale down the road too.

Yes sir :beer:

I will see if I can adjust that too, thanks! I am somewhat limited and almost at my max. The "pad" is already there, we used dirt from the house to go ahead and elevate the garage area, and I can not extend out the back as that is where the new second septic has to go (and its already permitted for as well).

The garage on the house is 30ft deep so I've got plenty of room in there for the truck. It just would be nice to be able to trip prep and or come home late, pull it all in and worry about it later.

Not terribly worried about resale, I am eventually going to try and get the land behind me and then might do a larger metal building at that point. This garage will be stick built to match the house.
 
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Took me a few to figure out who you were lol. I narrowed it down to you or another buddy that lives just south of you.

The garage on the house is 30ft deep so I've got plenty of room in there for the truck. It just would be nice to be able to trip prep and or come home late, pull it all in and worry about it later.

That's exactly why i suggested it. If/When I get a big shop that will be one of the requirements.


Not terribly worried about resale, I am eventually going to try and get the land behind me and then might do a larger metal building at that point. This garage will be stick built to match the house.
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Took me a few to figure out who you were lol. I narrowed it down to you or another buddy that lives just south of you.



That's exactly why i suggested it. If/When I get a big shop that will be one of the requirements.


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Haha that's funny. Only reason I put two and two together was your screen name haha. I was like wait I know that name.....
 

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not **** or toys, as my dad finally convinced my wife, they are "labor saving devices". My wife now refers to all my tools as labor saving devices. I can honestly say that what I have spent on tools I have easily saved much more. Maybe not all tools purchased paid for themselfs, but the ones that didn't were made up by the ones that did. :)

"labor saving devices" i'll have to use that one with my wife next time. :)

garage looks great. I dig the paint.
 

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Great spaces you have there and you have gotten/ built some fantastic tools! It looks like you have most of your tools on wheels; you can always build a coulple of rolling cabinets to store some of the smaller stuff in( motivation to clean up around the table saw!) and don't worry if you "may" get a mill or lathe later.Then you can line up everything not being used against the wall(s) and out of the way and see what can be moved out to your shed. In HSpencer's thread,( Small Two Car Operation)he has made most of his tools mobile so he can roll them outside for dirty jobs or to make room for bigger inside jobs. Putting a/c-heat into my little space has been a great motivator for me to get out there and do stuff. Sometimes it's amazing what you can accomplish in 14-20 minutes, then maybe you'll have enough room to do some of that socializing in your shop( more motivation to straighten it up )!
 
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Cactus: how about some new pics since it's been a while? one thing about building where you are you surely don't have to schedule in for snow or much rain. that said I sure wouldn't want to be roofing in August when it's 120.

good luck!!
 
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Cactus: how about some new pics since it's been a while? one thing about building where you are you surely don't have to schedule in for snow or much rain. that said I sure wouldn't want to be roofing in August when it's 120.

good luck!!

No, you don't want to be roofing in August....trust me I know...I roofed that shed in the middle of June. :lol_hitti
 

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Well....one look at the new drawings which pushed the building to over 4,000 sqft and I got nixed on those revisions pretty quick by the other half lol. So the second story got cut and we are down to the original approx 3,100 sq ft. But I already have permits for those plans so we can start sooner is the good news. Have my sister's wedding to get through this week and then will start getting everything in order to hopefully break ground. Will start a thread once some progress happens lol.
 
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I needed to cut some plywood. Great, I have all these rails to choose from, lets get it done. The only problem is, they are all in their shipping boxes tucked back into a corner so they were protected. In other words, a PITA to get to.

My first thought is to find another solution since I really don't feel like digging them out. Instead I decided to stop being lazy and dig a 55" rail out. 10 min later I had the rail out, only to discover the clear cut strip is coming off...:wtf: This rail had only been used like 4-5 times. This shouldn't be happening already. I suspect its primarily from the heat during the summer time here in Phoenix. The box was leaning against the wall in such a way that the weight of the rail was also pushing on this strip. Granted they don't weigh much, but that also could have contributed to the strip adhesive failing.

I have realized that if something isn't easily accessible, I wont use it. If I don't use it, its a waste of money. Maybe I am just lazy, but its the way I am. I need to make these rails easily accessible, organized and protected since they are expensive. So I am came up with a rack that will hang them all.

The next question is where to put it? The perfect spot is the wall right behind the dust collector. That's when the analysis paralysis kicked in. I cant do that, that's where the mill is going to go etc etc..after 20 min, I came to the conclusion, it might be years before I get mill, if I ever get one. I might not even be in this house by the time I get one. I wont have all that much time or money into the rack. Even if its only up for a year or two, the ease of accessibility and if it keeps the strips from failing, it would be worth it.

Its a simple piece of baltic birch screwed to the wall with aluminum rod sticking out. I drilled a slightly undersized hole at a slight upward angle, and pounded the round into the plywood. Simple and effective. Its made using the rails 1000 times easier. Unfortunately its going to come down much sooner then I anticipated, but not because I am getting a mill or moving. I will get into that later.

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Are they thin enough later to go above the rear overhead door. Yeah the door would have to be closed to access them but that's easy enough. That space is kind of a dead wall for anything that's not super thin....? At least it ends up utilizing a space that is somewhat unusable.
 
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Are they thin enough later to go above the rear overhead door. Yeah the door would have to be closed to access them but that's easy enough. That space is kind of a dead wall for anything that's not super thin....? At least it ends up utilizing a space that is somewhat unusable.

It actually would fit behind thickness wise easily. But my longest rail is 118" and I should have around 96" above door. 16' ceiling minus 8x8 door leaves ~96". So the longest rail wouldn't fit and I would like to keep them all together.

I would have to utilize a ladder too which would **** and makes it not really easily accessible. If that long rail would fit, I would still seriously consider it though since you're right, it would be a really good use of space. :thumbup:
 

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ICE: if you have a beam that is about 8 inches wide can you maybe hang all of these off of one pin? maybe since they are FESTOOL and not cheap by also making cardboard pieces to fit in between each one? I know it's a pain if you might need the one in back, but they'd be a lot more accessible than maybe other places.

I own flat file cabinets that have big enough drawers to hold them so if you have room for a stack of flat files that might be another option.

tell me how much you liked roofing that shed in JULY? just playing golf down there that time of year you have to almost run from sprinkler to sprinkler to stay cool.

that said I bet the weather is damn near perfect today so enjoy and hope you show us some more of your cool stuff as you get ORGANIZED.

cheers
 
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I own flat file cabinets that have big enough drawers to hold them so if you have room for a stack of flat files that might be another option.

tell me how much you liked roofing that shed in JULY? just playing golf down there that time of year you have to almost run from sprinkler to sprinkler to stay cool.

cheers

You have flat file cabinets that are over 118" long?

To make it bearable, I would spray myself with the hose every 15-20 minutes. The evaporation happens so fast you're actually kinda cold for a bit. It was still brutal though.
 

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ICE: yep I bet a JULY or summer roofing job isn't in your future for you or for anybody after that one you did.

sorry I thought I saw that 48 inch was your longest and the widest flat files I own are 54 inches. I almost picked up some that were 84 inches wide, but no where to put them and they would have been a PITA to move cause i think they were about 4 foot deep.

since you have more than a few very high quality Festool tracks do you have any beam saws? i just picked up a 415mm Makita beam saw and wondering if you have any tips or tricks in using one cause even though i'm pretty big and strong it looks like it's more dangerous than my big chainsaws. if you'd like to post your answer on my thread my link is in my sig line. thanks

carry on and enjoy your sunshine while I venture out in the SEATTLE DRIZZLE.

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Im still playing catchup..

I have always wanted a height adjustable workbench and I have been brain storming and gathering ideas for years now. I bought the buildpro welding table 3 years ago with the idea that it was going to be put on some type of adjustable frame. Most likely a scissor lift. I considered motorcycle lifts, but they either didn't have the capacity or I was going to have to hack them up a lot to make them work. The other option was scissor lifts, but those are super expensive new, so I looked for quite some time (like over a year) for a used one. Everything I found was to small, 24x48 and was usually 3 phase. I eventually decided to design my own scissor lift.

Surprisingly I got quite far...probably 75% of the fusion 360 design is complete. However, I ultimately decided I didn't have the skills to build it the way I wanted so I shelved the project for the time being until I had the skills and the right equipment...

Now fast forward to mid 2019...I was browsing around on the internet and came across a scissor lift table a woodwork built. Something told me to check craigslist for scissor lift tables. I had given up my search prior and had not looked in over a year. What do you know, there was a 24x60 single phase industrial lift table with 2500 lbs capacity. And it looked beefy! That's perfect! Except the price, it was more then I could swing.

Turns out, he actually had two of them. After some back and forth, the seller was willing to sell it to me for what I wanted to pay, but I had to buy both of them. Now, what the hell am I going to do with two. Then the light bulb went off, I could have a height adjustable assembly table and a height adjustable welding table. That's my dream setup anyway..problem is I dont have my dream shop and space is limited. It was just WAY to good of a deal to pass up though, and I scored them both. The wife wasn't super happy about buying one, let alone two, but understood :) I will figure out the storage later on. When lowered, they really dont take up much room and I can pile **** on top of them.

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The one was much dirtier on the inside then the other. He must have left that one in the up position for some time. I took this pic right before I started to clean them up.

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They both were built in 2002 and weigh over 800 lbs each according to the tag. Made in the USA with lesson motors too. They are really heavy duty. This same table was available up to 6000 lbs. I am pretty sure, the same frame was used, they just added an additional cylinder and the pump/motor is bigger. They were apparently bought for a business, but this business went out before they were ever used. The seller told me he acquired them with the plastic still wrapped on them. They were used in his home shop to rebuild a couple engines. This why the paint is scrapped off on the tops. He used the one to rebuild a motorcycle, which is why the one has black tabs welded on. However quickly realized it was not large enough and bought a real motorcycle lift table. These have sat ever since. Which is why he put them up for sale.

Both tables, other then being dirty from sitting for years and the paint scrapped off, look brand new. Considering what these went for new, I have to say this is my best craigslist score by far! :D Like a kid on Christmas morning!

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I left the tables in the up position overnight and noticed the dirty one dropped more then the clean one. It was dropping about a half inch a night versus approx a 1/16" over night on the clean one. Great I got a leak. I understand the principal behind hydraulics but I have no hands on experience or knowledge of how to repair a hydraulic system. So I started researching and determined its either coming from the cylinder or the check valve in the hydraulic pack. Considering that I could see oil flowing from the vent tube back into the reservoir I was pretty sure I had a bad seal in the cylinder. I took off the vent line and raise the table to its top most position and oil sprayed out...yeah I definitely got a bad seal.

It made sense. Whoever painted the cylinder, forgot to mask the bottom of the rod. So there was a 1" wide line of paint on the underside of the rod and you could see where some had flaked off. My guess is that the paint got in the cylinder and ruined the seal.

So the next step is to get the cylinder repaired. I have no idea how or what I am doing so I called around to try and get a ballpark qoute on what it would cost to repair the cylinder. No one could give me an idea without seeing the cylinder. Youtube and a couple threads here in the GJ to the rescue. Learning something new is always fun...

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I took the cylinder off and bought the correct spanner wrench to remove the gland.

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Yup, quite a bit of crud in the bottom.

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And there is the culprit....hard to see in the pic, but the plastic ring that hugs the o-ring and supports it is bent over and flattened out which would comprise the o-ring.

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Definitely some scoring in there too...im guessing from the paint flecks. Most of them I couldn't feel with my nail, but a few I definitely could.

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Next step is to figure out new seals and how to clean up the cylinder. Again, I have never done anything like this before so after hours or research and education, I ended up buying a Lisle 15000 Honing tool with the 500 grit stones. While I waited for that I called Martin Fluid Power here in Phoenix. You can bring the seals and or cylinder to them and they will match up the seals. I didn't want to do that though as I would have had to take time off work. So the lady was nice enough to walk me through measuring them over the phone and they shipped the seals to me. $38 and a day later I had two complete sets of seals to do both cylinders. And better seals then I had before. Not bad..

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Used some lacquer thinner to take the paint off the rod and installed the new seals. Next up, clean up the cylinder.

There definitely is a learning curve to using that honing tool. The whole time I was worried I was going to screw the cylinder. I started with the 250 grit stone and once I couldn't see the large lines anymore, I switched to the 500 grit to finish it off. It looks much better now and my nail doesn't hang up anywhere.

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After that I buttoned it all back up and reinstalled the cylinder. Being that its 18 years old, I figured its probably a good idea to replace the hydraulic hoses while I am at it. Refilled with fresh fluid and I am done. It would have been cheaper for me to pay someone to fix it, especially if you factor in the tools I had to buy and my time. However, I can reuse the tools down the road. As for time, well I consider the learning experience to be invaluable. While I am not expert, I am way more confident with hydraulics now.

I was concerned I maybe honed it to much or what not, but I must have done a decent job. There is no oil coming from the vent and the table dropped less then 1/32" over a 24 hr period. From what I gather, that's really good for tables like these.
 
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Almost caught up...

The lift table projects are shelved for right now. I need to design in fusion 360 some type of sub frame for the buildpro table to mate with the lift table. And the woodworking assembly table is going to be an even bigger project. Neither i want to tackle until I have had ample time to process.

Back to trying to get things more organized. Ever since I got this garage, I have always looked up and wondered how I could utilize this vertical space. The ceilings are 16' tall. I came up with a lot of ideas. A loft across the back, a narrow loft down one side, pallet racking etc. Each had its own set of problems and one thing in common. I would need a forklift to get equipment up there. I decided to build a shed instead as it seemed more practical.

Now here I am, almost 4 years later. The shed ended up being 1' narrower, and also shorter then I wanted and its full of ****. That -1' of width makes a big difference. It ended up being packed with pool toys and all kinds of other stuff along with shop things. Anyway, I need more room and I have never been able to let go of the pallet racking or long narrow loft along the one side. I kept coming back to it. How cool would it be to make "stations" that I could fork up on to racks using a pallet stacker. Or be able to lift my table saw up and out of the way since I really only use it a couple times a year.

I decided to pull the trigger and bought a pallet stacker. I hope this idea works out.

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I had been looking at these for a few years now. I was about to buy one model, a non powered drive model, when at the last minute I found a powered drive model for less then a couple hundred bucks more. It lifts more, but 6" less overall lift height. I was apprehensive about the less lift height but its a way better deal and nabbed it instead.

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Doing what any grown man would do, start lifting things :lol_hitti

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Turns out the powered drive was a wise choice. Its tight moving around in there. Schlepping around a 1400 lb pallet stacker + 1000 lb welding table wouldn't be easy. Especially when your right up against the toolbox and you can't get your legs into it. The powered drive makes it easy.

These things are useful for all kinds of things too. Like changing the oil in my generator. Im starting to wonder how I lived without it.

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Now that I have something that can lift my **** up...I need to figure out what to put it on.

At first I really wanted to build my own narrow I-beam loft that ran along the right side of the garage. Basically a heavy duty shelf I would forklift heavy items up and on to. Ultimately though, i decided that pallet racking would be cheaper and more versatile. What I really didn't like about the pallet racking is that my spans between uprights would be less. However, I think I can make it work. I started up fusion and began playing with different designs..

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Since I don't know whats going where, I can't really design the racking around where stuff was going to be stored. So I designed it to maximize my space. From left to right, you have 4 sections at 8', 12', 9' and 8' wide. This SHOULD just fit in the garage with about 1.25" clearance between the front and back walls. I will have to modify the racks to accommodate the garage door track.

Next up is to find the racking. It took a while. I really wanted some heavy duty uprights. Most are like 14 gauge. I finally found some 16' uprights that were basically brand new, never been used and 11 gauge metal. I snagged those and some 9' beams. I ended up buying the rest of the beams used from a material handling place. Since I needed specific sizes its just to much effort trying to scour craigslist and making 15 different trips.


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Time to clean the wall where the racking is going to go. Stacker came in handy for that.

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Moving the shelf to the opposite wall.

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Putting everything back on the shelf.

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And finally painting the wall behind the shelf to match the rest of the garage.

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Now it's getting serious! Good work. Nice score on the lifts too. I am always a day late and a dollar short when I see stuff on CL these days haha.
 
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Thanks...I am too usually...I got lucky with those lifts....real lucky. We all know how well u do selling though lol
 

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Thanks...I am too usually...I got lucky with those lifts....real lucky. We all know how well u do selling though lol

Hahaha, yeah I do usually end up getting pretty lucky on sales end of CL, not so much the buying end though.

My last CL purchase however was goats lol. They are my new weed control plan :lol_hitti
 
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Like I mentioned earlier, the first two uprights in the design are going to have to be cut down to accommodate the garage door track. It hangs down about 2 feet. So to gain the most storage, I need to mount the beams as close to the track as possible. The two feet between the ceiling and the top shelf can then be used to hand stack stuff. Things that I rarely use but still want to hang on to. Look at the previous post with the drawing to get a visual of what I am referring to.


So first step is to cut down the upright. I only need to cut the front post of the upright. The rear can stay at 16'.

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The upright closest to the front will have to be cut down more then the other. About 10" more to clear the curve in the door track.

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It just clears the track.



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Testing the first section of rack. As you can see the rack with its 42" depth fits perfectly against that wall and stops just before the opening of the garage.
 
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With the uprights cut, its time to address the upper most beam that goes under the door track. In order to maximize my space, I am going to have to modify the beam since the uprights are at different heights. I am going to have to cut the beam and angle it down. Which is also going to require a donor beam since angling it down is lengthening the beam.

Chop the beam at the correct angle.

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Cut a section out of the donor beam

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Make some internal reinforcement places that will get welded in.

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Cut the mounting plate off and clean up on the belt sander

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Drill some holes for rosette welds

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Tack the mounting plate on.

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Tack the internal braces on

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Welded up and test fit. I test fit it on a lower section of the upright. Its going to go all the way at the top.

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Ground down and blended in to make it look factory.

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With the beam angling down, it should clear the garage door and track at the very top of the upright.
 
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With the modified beam complete. Its time to address the gawd awful orange and its 100 different shades. Nothing against orange, I like the color. But each beam was a different shade and/or faded badly. The upright themselves are brand new and were only a bit over a year old according to the stickers. The AZ sun is brutal and it badly faded/chalked the paint on parts of the uprights. I cant deal with the inconsistency. :) I want it to match the color scheme of the garage.


First step is to prep the beams. Scuff sand and remove any rust, powerwash then Clean with Krud Cutter Deglosser. After that I built some temp swing set looking stands and hung the first 8' section of beams. Each beam is hung from the one above using some HD powder coating hooks.

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First coat sprayed. I am using Dunn Edwards Aristoshield Low Sheen.

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Second coat on and drying

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Completed

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Ended up using a gallon of paint. Way more then I was expecting. This is going to cost me a bit more then I anticipated. Both in money and time. This process took up pretty much my whole weekend. At this rate it will take me 5 weekends to complete the painting portion...:headscrat

But dam they do look good :thumbup:
 
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Looking fantastic, it's worth your effort. To muck to rattle can anyhow. Once you get the first one up it shall provide motivation on the rest.

At least you can paint and have it dry quickly in February. Not the case in cold wet miserable places.
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Looking fantastic, it's worth your effort. To muck to rattle can anyhow. Once you get the first one up it shall provide motivation on the rest.

At least you can paint and have it dry quickly in February. Not the case in cold wet miserable places.
:)

Thanks!

No kidding. The next morning after I painted these, I woke up to everything being wet. It had rained during the night. It wasnt suppose to rain. :wtf: Luckily it didn't do anything to them.

Then last Monday it poured and I had to scramble to get the uprights brought inside. They were "dry" and I thought they would be OK, but I noticed the rain drops were starting to discolor the paint. This paint dries quickly but takes forever and a day to actually cure.


And this past week it rained all day Saturday...We go months without rain...Apparently my project is attracting the rain :lol_hitti

Reminds me of every time I wash my truck.
 
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Is that a Graco sprayer and if so how do you like it?

It is and I do really like it. Its the older True Coat II Pro Model. The new 360 one is a bit better. It's great for small projects where you would use like a quart or two of paint. Maybe up to a gallon.

After this first set of beams I quickly realized I was going to need a bigger sprayer. Its not that it couldn't do it, but it gets real heavy and having to refill often is really annoying. My wrists started to really bother me and I quickly realized trying to get in all the angles of the uprights was going to be a nightmare.

I ended up buying a graco X5. Its so much easier with the lighter weight gun and not having to refill during a coat. You can also get more tips with the X5, so I was able to get a 211 tip, vs the 311 for the portable (4" wide paint spray vs 6" wide), which helps with the over spray. Pretty sure the newer 360 portable uses standard tips too so you have a lot more options. However clean up is a bit more, you waste more paint and the hose is a PITA at times with it wanting to coil up.

I really like them both and each has its place. Doing what I am doing right now its the X5 all the way. It was well worth buying. If down the road I add a shelf and need to paint 2 beams, or scrape the **** out of a beam and need to touch up. The portable truecoat is what I will be pulling out.
 
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On to the first set of uprights. Same procedure. Scuff sand, power wash, clean with Krud Kutter Deglosser.

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Painted

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Finished and moved into garage:

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The following Weekend. 2nd set of uprights. Rinse and Repeat.

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That wraps up weekend #3 of painting. 4 of the 5 uprights are done and the first section of 8' beams are completed so far.
 
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Painting Weekend #4. Beams for the 2nd 8' section, and the beams for the 9' section.

Scuff Sand

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Power Wash and clean with deglosser

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Ready to be painted

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First coat on

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2nd coat and finished.

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The paint job on these beams turned out fantastic.There is definitely a learning curve to using the sprayer and also how the paint likes to be applied. You really need to think about the order you're going to spray in to minimize overspray. If you don't the overspray lands on the wet paint and makes it rough.

This Aristoshield paint likes to be put on thick and wet. Almost to the brink of running. If you do that, it will level out nicely and the overspray seems to melt into it. I wish I would have figure this out sooner. The other beams and uprights turned out OK, rough in areas, smooth in others. Oh well Live and learn.

This posts bring this thread to the current state.
 
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