cderalow
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heh, i see so much horizontal concrete that form ties hadn't even occurred to me.
Using sub 1-1/2" stone veneer?
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heh, i see so much horizontal concrete that form ties hadn't even occurred to me.
Using sub 1-1/2" stone veneer?
ODIS
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When I saw the picture of the stairs and the newly installed dock from out on the water, I thought it will really look great when the vegetation comes back in and heals the surrounding ground. I look forward to each new progress post. Like many others, I'm a big fan of your project.
Thank you.
Ody.
PS: Congratulations on finishing up the dock. I can certainly relate to the joy of seeing long term dreams come true.
Thank you.
Ody.
PS: Congratulations on finishing up the dock. I can certainly relate to the joy of seeing long term dreams come true.
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Oggy
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I for one only want to see the garage. Seeing everything else is merely a waste of space on the site.
Kidding. Definitely kidding. This is by far the coolest build I've seen, there are many nice garages on here, but sometimes you wonder about the house they're attached to. Seeing the entire build allows us to put everything into context. We don't have to say "hmm that's a nice boat, I wonder if the river behind his house is big enough for it." I'm not saying I would try to find these things out on my own, but it's cool to know. Just saying.
Kidding. Definitely kidding. This is by far the coolest build I've seen, there are many nice garages on here, but sometimes you wonder about the house they're attached to. Seeing the entire build allows us to put everything into context. We don't have to say "hmm that's a nice boat, I wonder if the river behind his house is big enough for it." I'm not saying I would try to find these things out on my own, but it's cool to know. Just saying.
We're making a push to place the first half of the basement before the long weekend. The boys had the form closed by mid morning and even managed to stand some back form for the next placement
As I've mentioned we're using coil ties for the architectural concrete. They are very versatile and can be used with various modular forms as well as stick built formwork. We are using 'plylags', which adapt the coil tie to our forms. The coil shaped thread of the plylag allows it to be backed out of the tie and concrete. The plastic cone is similarly removed after stripping
There are a lot of details we need to build into the formwork. These are seats for the W12 cantilever beams. You can see the column steel below, which is made up of six #5 bars with stirrups at 12" centers
Here is a shelf form, which reduces the depth of the 'ballast' wall from 24" to 10" and provides a seat for the cantilever beams. Each beam is held down with two 1" anchor bolts. We are leaving room 3/4" under the beam seats to allow us to fine tune the cantilevered end. We'll fill the void with NS grout.
Here's some formwork that creates a shelf for the Litedeck planks and a steel beam. The steel beams bear on 4" x 9' imbedded plates and are welded in place. You can see how we beveled the plywood back to facilitate stripping. Nothing harder to strip than plywood thats imbedded end to end.
Here's a view of the site retaining wall or 'the great wall of Pittston' as some have taken to calling it.
As I've mentioned we're using coil ties for the architectural concrete. They are very versatile and can be used with various modular forms as well as stick built formwork. We are using 'plylags', which adapt the coil tie to our forms. The coil shaped thread of the plylag allows it to be backed out of the tie and concrete. The plastic cone is similarly removed after stripping
There are a lot of details we need to build into the formwork. These are seats for the W12 cantilever beams. You can see the column steel below, which is made up of six #5 bars with stirrups at 12" centers
Here is a shelf form, which reduces the depth of the 'ballast' wall from 24" to 10" and provides a seat for the cantilever beams. Each beam is held down with two 1" anchor bolts. We are leaving room 3/4" under the beam seats to allow us to fine tune the cantilevered end. We'll fill the void with NS grout.
Here's some formwork that creates a shelf for the Litedeck planks and a steel beam. The steel beams bear on 4" x 9' imbedded plates and are welded in place. You can see how we beveled the plywood back to facilitate stripping. Nothing harder to strip than plywood thats imbedded end to end.
Here's a view of the site retaining wall or 'the great wall of Pittston' as some have taken to calling it.
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SiGmA_X
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I have been, but only in the yacht/sailing club aspects. Even the smaller docks have always been post-moored, whatever that is called.Then you haven't been around docks your entire life
You should see cantilever docks and suspended docks if you want to see a strange dock
LLWillysfan - Love the education!
Justanoldguy
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The coil ties sound interesting.
Can't say I have ever seen them in NZ.
Can't say I have ever seen them in NZ.
Thanks.
Glad you like it. Stop in for a beer on your way by
It's definitely a long term investment but I don't plan on going anywhere.
I try not to think about it
I'm glad you feel that way. Hopefully most others agree.
Years ago my Uncle's brother built a dock in a residential canal estate, local council hadn't implemented any planning permissions for docks so it was cast concrete with diesel storage tanks, water and three phase power.............
Changed the rules after that
Hmmmm.
Thanks. The floats are located by a pair of crossed 3/8" chains at each end. The inboard chains are secured by big boulders on the shoreline. The outboard chains are anchored to the concrete mooring blocks. The gangway helps some too.
Thanks Nutts
The product we're using is produced by New England Stone Veneer. It is a natural stone that is sliced into 1" sections.
Thanks Ody. The vegetation is starting to make it's way through the mesh already. Hopefully a couple months from now it will look like it's always been there.
Hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks
We're pretty limited to a float system since the whole dock has to be removed each fall.
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Stuntmonkey
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As a complete boat nut, the dock is the fav part of this build so far. Its gorgeous!
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dartsportsteve
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Simply amazing! This thread is the first thing I look for when i come online. Thanks for keeping up with the timely updates!
theoldwizard1
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Question on your dock and river.
Can you leave it in all year long or will ice flows damage it ?
Depending on the size and quantity of boats will be docking, you may need to sink some pilings, which might be impossible with all the hedge rock you have.
If you are docking anything over about 20' you might need another anchor block.
Can you leave it in all year long or will ice flows damage it ?
Depending on the size and quantity of boats will be docking, you may need to sink some pilings, which might be impossible with all the hedge rock you have.
If you are docking anything over about 20' you might need another anchor block.
HOTFR8
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I just close my eyes and sign.
Lovely, I'll have one of those but just leave the information blank as I can fill it all in for you
Not only is this a great build, you're providing some great info too.
RHD 4 LIFE
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Just simply outstanding my friend, Outstanding!
SuperSocket
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I think with enough concrete you can make it permanent...
... afterall, what is several hundred more yards?
Krokodil
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Every time I check the progress on this, I'm amazed!
red
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I think with enough concrete you can make it permanent...
... afterall, what is several hundred more yards?
Betcha the ice will take it out any way . . . . Maine's weather is Mother Nature at it's finest! And we all know better than to mess with Mother.
Thanks LLWillyFan! Love the work and love concrete! Keep amazing us!
We got another 46 cy of concrete in before the long weekend. Our conveyor truck was busy on a 'payin' job so I had to rent a pump.
We do a lot of complicated concrete but this foundation ranks right up there when it comes to complexity per cubic yard. Lucky for me, I have a world class concrete crew led by my BIL. I'm fortunate to have such skilled people building my home.
Gotta give the concrete truck drivers credit, we are short of space down here so they've taken to backing down a 2000 foot driveway with a 200 foot elevation drop.
When you've got a drop, the best way to ensure uniform consolidation is to place and vibrate the lower section, then install a 'cap' to allow you to vibrate the upper section without dumping a bunch of concrete on the ground.
Walls need to be straight. The guys pull strings down the length of each wall and adjust the braces until they get it within an 1/8", which is pretty damn close to perfect.
If you've never been involved with a big concrete placement, you've missed something pretty incredible. Done properly, it's a wonder to behold - many moving parts that must come together perfectly.
When you're placing 12' high walls, you can't beat a good, old fashioned plumb bob when it comes to ensuring accurate dimensions.
In their spare time, the guys stripped the site retaining wall - it came out very nice;
I hope you all have a fantastic Memorial Day weekend. Let's all remember what this holiday is all about. We should take every opportunity to thank those who have sacrificed so much to protect our freedom. As Americans, we are truly blessed to enjoy the liberty that was paid for with the blood of heroes.
We do a lot of complicated concrete but this foundation ranks right up there when it comes to complexity per cubic yard. Lucky for me, I have a world class concrete crew led by my BIL. I'm fortunate to have such skilled people building my home.
Gotta give the concrete truck drivers credit, we are short of space down here so they've taken to backing down a 2000 foot driveway with a 200 foot elevation drop.
When you've got a drop, the best way to ensure uniform consolidation is to place and vibrate the lower section, then install a 'cap' to allow you to vibrate the upper section without dumping a bunch of concrete on the ground.
Walls need to be straight. The guys pull strings down the length of each wall and adjust the braces until they get it within an 1/8", which is pretty damn close to perfect.
If you've never been involved with a big concrete placement, you've missed something pretty incredible. Done properly, it's a wonder to behold - many moving parts that must come together perfectly.
When you're placing 12' high walls, you can't beat a good, old fashioned plumb bob when it comes to ensuring accurate dimensions.
In their spare time, the guys stripped the site retaining wall - it came out very nice;
I hope you all have a fantastic Memorial Day weekend. Let's all remember what this holiday is all about. We should take every opportunity to thank those who have sacrificed so much to protect our freedom. As Americans, we are truly blessed to enjoy the liberty that was paid for with the blood of heroes.
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do you have to remove the concrete anchors also?
Stuntmonkey
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I wouldn't think he'd have to do that as its just the dock that requires the permit.
Thedoc14
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I love the mad panic that sets into the guys when a pour is happening, I have worked with Portuguese, Italians Greeks and Croatians.
The Portuguese are by far the most passionate, we where pouring a suspended floor around 30 x 60 meters square. They were on the phone cursing the truck drivers and supplier saying "if this floor goes off you bastards are paying for the ripping up and repair " "now get my F'n trucks here now. They are all screaming at each other while the pour is going down, then as they are troweling and using the helicopters they are all just backslapping and saying how great does that look.
I have also seen the Italians going off when a wall we poured was 10' high and 8" thick started to move and belly out while they vibrated it. They where screaming and yelling and running around like fools. It is amazing how much vibrating the mix effects the form work.
Love your build and cant wait to see all of it house, retainers veneer, garage & boat.
This and Marks Monster garage are the two I love looking at, yours is in Progress and his is finished and just a work of art like yours will be.
The Portuguese are by far the most passionate, we where pouring a suspended floor around 30 x 60 meters square. They were on the phone cursing the truck drivers and supplier saying "if this floor goes off you bastards are paying for the ripping up and repair " "now get my F'n trucks here now. They are all screaming at each other while the pour is going down, then as they are troweling and using the helicopters they are all just backslapping and saying how great does that look.
I have also seen the Italians going off when a wall we poured was 10' high and 8" thick started to move and belly out while they vibrated it. They where screaming and yelling and running around like fools. It is amazing how much vibrating the mix effects the form work.
Love your build and cant wait to see all of it house, retainers veneer, garage & boat.
This and Marks Monster garage are the two I love looking at, yours is in Progress and his is finished and just a work of art like yours will be.
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Thedoc14
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We should take every opportunity to thank those who have sacrificed so much to protect our freedom. As Americans, we are truly blessed to enjoy the liberty that was paid for with the blood of heroes.
I notice your beam bolts/studs you don't have them tied into each other or the reo. do you find that they occasionally will start to spin, as the washer may undo or are they welded or roundeded over?
Very neat work by your guys the slop is minimal.
SiGmA_X
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I just close my eyes and sign.
I bet that isn't how you really do it. I hope...With the concrete anchors you used, why did you use the type with the washer on it? I am obviously not one to say do it this way or that way, but my engineer neighbor (PE, concrete construction too actually) says to always use the bent L type. Is that just because he's old school, or is there a particular time you want to use one type vs another? I'd love your input.
I'm pretty sure he said he will pull them every winter, too, but I don't want to go re-read, homework is being delayed till Monday this weekend
Thank you and I think I'll post that quote in my military thread.
Well, lets just say thats a bit of a gray area although it is common to leave them in. The trick is to secure your chains so you can find them in the spring without having the ice pull your moorings away.
It's probably a cultural thing but the guys are pretty focused on their jobs and it's a pretty calm process. Love the stories though.
They are just double nutted and tightened. There isn't any torsional load so I'm comfortable they'll be fine.
This is a low stress application for anchor bolts - mostly to locate the column during steel erection. I could use about any type but we're making our own so nuts and washers fit the bill.
The L type bolts are falling out of favor. Under stress the rod will straighten and the bolt will pull out. In high stress applications we usually see nuts with plate washers that are welded together. We're just using a lighter duty version of that detail.
Awesome.
Buzz Lightyear
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This is simply awesome.
Everyone else can simply go home as you've won. I don't care what the competition is but you've just won it!!
Everyone else can simply go home as you've won. I don't care what the competition is but you've just won it!!
4th-stooge
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LLWillysfan, the sight of that flag flying over your dock is truly inspirational on this holiday weekend. Your neighbors across the river must be pleased that they have a patriot in the neighborhood, and they should be proud that they have a neighbor moving in with your value system. We just don't have a lot of folks that want to do things the "right way" as you obviously do. Have a wonderful holiday.
Stooge4
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Thank you, again, for being an inspiration to us all.
Won it ? No.......in the Top Ten
Buzz Lightyear, I appreciate the comment - yours too HotFR8 - but let's not make this into a contest. It's not my intent to show off or one up anyone and I hope it isn't coming across that way.
There are many fantastic garages and lots of talent and ingenuity on GJ. I am often humbled by what I see, both the high end stuff and the more modest but no less impressive efforts
Thanks guys. I was hoping the photos of the flag would have that effect especially on this holiday. I was certainly inspired and proud when we raised it for the first time.
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fastbroshi
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Good job with the build so far LL. I'm glad you found it so important to have the flag flying by today. On a Memorial Day note, I ran across this the other day. It's basically a Q and A with a WWII vet that fought in the Pacific theather, specifically Peleliu and Okinawa. He's got a book out from a rifleman's perspective on the front line. His name is, no ****, Sterling Mace. Happy Memorial Day everyone.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/u6306/iama_wwii_marine_corps_combat_rifleman_and_author/
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/u6306/iama_wwii_marine_corps_combat_rifleman_and_author/
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HOTFR8
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I agree 100% every topic here on the GJ has something to offer and to see how others do things from the biggest jobs to the smallest fittings, there is always something new to take in and learn. 
It was an emotional moment when we lifted the flag over our future home. It will fly proudly for as long as I'm there.
Very fitting.
-Jeff
Jkaz
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This is simply an amazing build, I am very impressed. The dock looks amazing! I would hire your team any day! I hope the rest of the build goes to plan, good luck and I'll be following!