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The new M18 2854 compact impact seems to basically be a 18v version of the M12 2554 stubby.

M18 should have better ergonomics than the M12 stubby and you should already have batts to use your 2863

Can’t find any 2854 display models to check the ergonomics.

HD has the Dewalt, albeit their price isn’t competitive with Amazon.

Edit: the 2854 at $219 isn’t priced competitively with the Dewalt, either, it’s well over $300 with an extra battery, so it looks like it’s out of my budget.
 
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Pretty good video regarding the power of the DCF890.

Thank you for posting that! That was the video I've been missing. I know from using it that the 890 outperforms the spec but I hadn't found where it had been proven/quantified.

So it looks like about 200 lb-ft of fastening torque and 300 lb-ft of breakaway torque. Quite a deal!
 

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Anyone have the 6amp XR 20 volt batteries? I just picked up 2 & don't really like them. I feel the 5amp is a better battery for weight vs power, they're about the same weight as the 6amp flexvolt which is more versatile, going to try & exchange them.
 

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Thank you for posting that! That was the video I've been missing. I know from using it that the 890 outperforms the spec but I hadn't found where it had been proven/quantified.

So it looks like about 200 lb-ft of fastening torque and 300 lb-ft of breakaway torque. Quite a deal!

Yeah after seeing that, I no longer thing I have a gap in my impact power ranges.
 

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Interesting to compare the DCF890 or 887 with 3/8 anvil conversion to the Mac MCF891. The Mac gun looks like the same tool, but it's advertised at 275 ft-lbs breakaway torque. That seems in the ballpark of the actual torque of the 890, doesn't it?
 

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Interesting to compare the DCF890 or 887 with 3/8 anvil conversion to the Mac MCF891. The Mac gun looks like the same tool, but it's advertised at 275 ft-lbs breakaway torque. That seems in the ballpark of the actual torque of the 890, doesn't it?
Yes. In fact, someone here has the Mac and said that it covers some mid torque duties (but I forgot who). It's interesting that Dewalt hasn't updated the listed torque figures, or at least they're listing tightening torque figures which puts them at a disadvantage in the marketing game.
 

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It's even more confusing when you compare the listed figures for the 12V 3/8" impact wrench (DCF902) and the 20V 3/8" wrench (DCF890).

For the 12V tool, they list "max torque" as 200 ft-lbs and in the description, they give 1500 in-lbs (125 ft-lbs) for max tightening torque and 2400 in-lbs (200 ft-lbs) for breakaway. But for the 20V tool, they only list "max torque" of 150 ft-lbs without mention of tightening or breakaway.

So if you're comparing "max torque" to "max torque", the 12V wrench is more powerful than the 20V. Doesn't make sense. Seems more likely that the 150 ft-lbs on the 20V is max tightening torque, and the breakaway torque is some higher, unspecified value.

Taking this a step further, if you scale the 20V tightening torque by the ratio of breakaway to tightening of the 12V, you get 240 ft-lbs breakaway for the 20V. Not that it's a 1-to-1 comparison, but it seems plausible the 20V wrench is in the mid-200s for breakaway. This is also supported by the 275 ft-lb that Mac advertises.
 

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It doesn't make much sense when comparison figures from the same family of tools can't be evenly compared.

As far as manufacturer to manufacturer, I harken back to the old days of stereo equipment and the useless "watts per channel" ratings that everyone was obsessed with. Those in the know didn't care about that until they were comparing from within the same line. But then again, who even pushes past 20watts when listening OR a 3/8" impact to 200 ft/lbs anyway?
 

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It's a good point, although I'm interested in squeaking out all the power I can from a 3/8" impact wrench for the use-case I described earlier. I'll need to use a universal socket or shallow socket + wobble extension to get to that caliper bracket bolt, so 200 ft-lbs out of the gun won't be putting nearly that much torque to the fastener.

Do I buy a Milwaukee 3/8" stubby with it's advertised 250 ft-lbs that I don't have any batteries for, don't like the ergonomics or general ethos of the company, or the Dewalt that may very well make just as much torque and I'm already invested in the battery platform? These are the tough questions :)
 

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You seem to have already answered that with you short pros-and-cons list but maybe add an extended length box end wrench just in case!
 

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I’ve been using that little 12V “Xtreme” 3/8” impact wrench since last year and it’s become my first-grab impact wrench (I think I posted pics in this thread when I bought it). I only use the Milwaukee stubby on fasteners bigger than 19mm now. I found its limit when I tried to remove some rusted-on caliper bolts doing a brake job, but it’s removed everything else I’ve asked if it. The ring of lights around the anvil are best in class IMO, and it’s amazingly light for the power it has.
 

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Okay, let's add some more confusion here... :lol_hitti

The DCF890 appears to be the same as the discontinued DCF886 except with a 3/8" square anvil instead of the 1/4" hex chuck. The 886 is the original brushless impact driver, single speed, replaced by the 887.

Now for some torque values:

886 - 1500 in-lbs (125 ft-lbs)
887 - 1825 in-lbs (152 ft-lbs)
890 - 150 ft-lbs.

So if we draw some comparisons between the impact drivers and their equivalent 3/8" impact wrench versions, it looks something like this:

886 (125 ft-lbs) --> 890 (150 ft-lbs)
887 (152 ft-lbs --> 887 w/anvil mod (??? ft-lbs)

If the 3/8" anvil nets a little more torque than the 1/4" hex chuck, the 887 w/anvil mod would be the most powerful 3/8" wrench, even more powerful than the 890. Plausible?
 

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Wun Ton, $499 at Farm and Fleet with the infeed/outfeed tables and spare set of blades plus a $25 gift card.

Thanks! I forgot I had asked about this but I am glad I did! I just ordered one for myself. I didn't get the gift card but even after shipping (I don't have a store anywhere near me) it was still $100 cheaper than Amazon that has free shipping and was the next cheaper price I could find currently.
 

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Okay, let's add some more confusion here... :lol_hitti

The DCF890 appears to be the same as the discontinued DCF886 except with a 3/8" square anvil instead of the 1/4" hex chuck. The 886 is the original brushless impact driver, single speed, replaced by the 887.

Now for some torque values:

886 - 1500 in-lbs (125 ft-lbs)
887 - 1825 in-lbs (152 ft-lbs)
890 - 150 ft-lbs.

So if we draw some comparisons between the impact drivers and their equivalent 3/8" impact wrench versions, it looks something like this:

886 (125 ft-lbs) --> 890 (150 ft-lbs)
887 (152 ft-lbs --> 887 w/anvil mod (??? ft-lbs)

If the 3/8" anvil nets a little more torque than the 1/4" hex chuck, the 887 w/anvil mod would be the most powerful 3/8" wrench, even more powerful than the 890. Plausible?

I don't know the answer, but I have the 887 and 890. With a 4AH battery with 3 bars the 890 will barely loosen lug nuts tightened to 90lb-ft on studs with anti-seize. It does it, but it struggles …

-edit- these are not acorn nuts, but proper shoulder nuts with washers; this makes a huge difference. It'll remove acorn nuts no issue at 90
 

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Steve_P - when you say "struggle" do you mean it doesn't zip them right off like a 1/2" gun would , or you really have to let it rattle for, like, 10+ seconds?

There's video out there of a guy torquing nuts on lubed threads to 250 ft-lbs and then (barely) removing them with the 890 after letting it hammer for 10+ seconds. I think he did some at 300 ft-lbs and eventually got those loose too.

I know there's variability in this kind of thing but I'm surprised there's that much variability.
 

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Steve_P - when you say "struggle" do you mean it doesn't zip them right off like a 1/2" gun would , or you really have to let it rattle for, like, 10+ seconds?

There's video out there of a guy torquing nuts on lubed threads to 250 ft-lbs and then (barely) removing them with the 890 after letting it hammer for 10+ seconds. I think he did some at 300 ft-lbs and eventually got those loose too.

I know there's variability in this kind of thing but I'm surprised there's that much variability.
I think he was using a 5ah in the video and I've done all my own testing with a 5ah too. That could make some part of the difference.
 

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I think he was using a 5AH in the video and I've done all my own testing with a 5AH too. That could make some part of the difference.
Possibly, but the 4AH batteries are 10 cell, 5S2P arrangements too. I would think they'd put out close to the same current as the 5AH batteries. I wouldn't expect a difference like you see dropping down to the 5 cell compact batteries.

Edit: They do make a 4AH compact battery with 5X 21700 cells. Probably what Steve_P is using if it has the fuel gauge. That would put out more power than the 2AH compact but probably not as much as the 5AH.
 
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Brief update on the 887 with anvil mod:

With a fully-charged 5AH battery, it removes 90 ft-lb lug nuts with no problem...on speed 2! Yeah, didn't even notice I wasn't on the highest speed until the lug nuts were already off.

Not so lucky with the caliper bracket bolt. It took off the bottom one with a 17mm deep socket without too much struggle. But to access the top one I needed to use a shallow socket on a 5" extension. No dice. These had red loctite and a few winters of rust.
 
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A little update on the Dewalt DCG 426 die grinder, I have to say it works better than the corded version. The three speed ranges and soft start are a big plus, the down side is you need two wrenches to change the bit. Ergonomically it is very comfortable, fits good in hand and spins a real 1/4" but with good control 👍
 

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A little update on the Dewalt DCG 426 die grinder, I have to say it works better than the corded version. The three speed ranges and soft start are a big plus, the down side is you need two wrenches to change the bit. Ergonomically it is very comfortable, fits good in hand and spins a real 1/4" but with good control 👍

Sharp unit. I've never had an electric one, always small pneumatics.
 

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Here's my 887s. One with a 3/8" anvil mod. I did it about 3 years ago and have been satisfied. It isn't everything you could ever want in a an impact but it did get me a decent 3/8" gun that will typically most of what I need it to do.
 

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love it ... nothing in particular just needed to reply to un-subscribe to the thread.

I think Dewalt is great, I have a few dewalt tools that I prefer ... same time I love many other tools like Bosh or Makita Or ... enjoy your thread.
 

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Got my planer today! I now own 3 dewalt tools including an RO sander and an older sawzall that I don't even have batteries for and I should really just sell lol. My other 20 or so battery tools are all Milwaukee but sometimes you just gotta change up colors for certain tools or deals!
 

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Got my planer today! I now own 3 dewalt tools including an RO sander and an older sawzall that I don't even have batteries for and I should really just sell lol. My other 20 or so battery tools are all Milwaukee but sometimes you just gotta change up colors for certain tools or deals!
Nice! My neighbor's got one. I know exactly when he's using it. Ask me how.

At least I know where to go when I need some really true boards!
 
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Got my planer today! I now own 3 dewalt tools including an RO sander and an older sawzall that I don't even have batteries for and I should really just sell lol. My other 20 or so battery tools are all Milwaukee but sometimes you just gotta change up colors for certain tools or deals!

Nice planner! I have the same one for 3 years no issues. Nothing wrong with multiple platforms.
 

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Can never have too many.

Agreed. I might pick up another one if they go on sale somewhere, but it would be one of the lower amp ones with a paddle switch. I could use one more, that way one can be for cutting (most likely would be the new 11 amp one), one for grinding, and one for wire wheeling.
 

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Had a little surprise of my own delivered today. I pre-ordered this the minute it became available and then promptly forgot about it.

First impressions are that it's HUGE! This is not going to be something you weild one handed. That said, it's a lot less cumbersome than dragging out the electric pressure washer.

It will not replace a pressure washer for some tasks at just 550 psi but for most of my uses, it will do just fine. It comes with a tube and a filter you can use to draw water straight out of a bucket or you can attach a garden hose. I've only experimented with the turbo tip and it's pretty awesome. It also accepted a 9 ah flexvolt battery which surprised me.

Hope to see more of this kind of thing from Dewalt (transfer pump?) 95cf66b5f56fe509303dd6250bf4fe21.jpg
 

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Had a little surprise of my own delivered today. I pre-ordered this the minute it became available and then promptly forgot about it.

First impressions are that it's HUGE! This is not going to be something you weild one handed. That said, it's a lot less cumbersome than dragging out the electric pressure washer.

It will not replace a pressure washer for some tasks at just 550 psi but for most of my uses, it will do just fine. It comes with a tube and a filter you can use to draw water straight out of a bucket or you can attach a garden hose. I've only experimented with the turbo tip and it's pretty awesome. It also accepted a 9 ah flexvolt battery which surprised me.

Hope to see more of this kind of thing from Dewalt (transfer pump?) 95cf66b5f56fe509303dd6250bf4fe21.jpg

I like it! keep us posted how you like it.
 

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A little update on the Dewalt DCG 426 die grinder, I have to say it works better than the corded version. The three speed ranges and soft start are a big plus, the down side is you need two wrenches to change the bit. Ergonomically it is very comfortable, fits good in hand and spins a real 1/4" but with good control [emoji106]


I just got one myself and used it for the first time today and Agree that it’s a nice little unit
 

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Anyone have issues still with the hi end flexvolt blower and getting shocked at the handle or did they resolve that issue? :dunno:
 
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I have some Dewalt cordless power tools with the shorter 18V base that I still use (impact driver, impact wrench and jig saw). Anybody have any experience with the 18V-to-20V adapter? It looks like a decent purchase that comes with an adapter, charger and priced right with two compact 20V batteries.

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I have some Dewalt cordless power tools with the shorter 18V base that I still use (impact driver, impact wrench and jig saw). Anybody have any experience with the 18V-to-20V adapter? It looks like a decent purchase that comes with an adapter, charger and priced right with two compact 20V batteries.

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The adapter works just like it should. Keeps great tools running and allows you to use higher amp/hr batteries too.

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Anyone have issues still with the hi end flexvolt blower and getting shocked at the handle or did they resolve that issue? :dunno:

I've had one for 6 months, no issues, in fact this one really does blow away all the others, no pun intended, love with the 9 amp battery. It is a little heavy with the 9 amp battery, but for a half hour it's not an issue.
 

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I've had one of these tables for a couple years, and have found myself needing another one while working on projects. Have also heard lots of good things about the inflator, so I snagged one of those as well 731cb0f5cb0e61629933564978f44042.jpg

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Do someone was actually jealous of my Dewalt collection today. My dad (who introduced me to Dewalt tools when I was about 7) stopped by to borrow a tool, and happened to see my drill, 3 impacts, 2 angle grinders, bench grinder, palm sander, and sawzall, all Dewalt. So of course, he said I had enough tools to be able to just let him have some lol
 

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Having problems with my dewalt fan jobsite fan, thought it was the battery but had a second battery do the same thing

Motor dips a few seconds in but then returns to normal

I'll leave it running but return to the fan not spinning and the battery at 3/3
 
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