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The Droobarn Stage 1: What, When, Where

drooartz

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The one advantage to my recent enforced down time (broken ankle) is that I've been spending a bunch of time here on GJ doing some planning for a detached garage build. I've had this project in mind since we bought the house 5 years ago, but have not had time/finances/resources to do anything about it. My wife and I have decided that we'll be staying in this location for some time -- to make a long story short we can't afford to be any closer to work, so this'll do nicely. We're only 16 miles from our work and we do like the town where we live. So this summer we went ahead and added a deck to the back of the house, and next up is cleaning up the landscaping... and adding the additional garage space.

After reading countless build threads here I developed some real motivation and made some phone calls to the city. I now understand the setbacks to the property lines and know that I can build as close to the house as I'd like to. If I keep to those limits I don't have to do any special fire code work -- still need a permit/inspections no matter what, but at least the interior can be done any way I'd like. This also allows me to space out the building if necessary since I wouldn't need to finish off the interior prior to a final building inspection.

We have a bit of an odd piece of property. It's about .3 acres and oddly shaped. This limits a bit of what I can do as far as size and location goes. In the photo below the brown box is the deck we just added, and the yellow box is the current proposed location for the new build. To the east of the property is a church parking lot, and to the south is a school playground; the white rectangle on the south end of the property is a gravel area where the previous owners had a swingset -- it will be removed. The house has an existing roughly 20'x20' (internal) attached garage.

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So here are my initial questions three:

1. What: My plan right now is for a very basic structure. As much as I love the more intricate external designs I've seen here, I'm assuming that a simpler standard structure would be noticeably cheaper to build. I'm planning on 10' walls if possible (no plans for a lift) with standard trusses and no attic storage, though eventual insulation and a pellet stove for warmth. Thoughts? Are my assumptions correct?

2. When: A bit more complicated is the issue of when. My wife *really* wants the landscaping and sprinklers done next summer. This would put that before building the garage. To my way of thinking that's backwards; landscaping goes after all the structures are done. The other side of this is the political points won by giving her what she wants first -- makes it easier to get what I want later. Your thoughts? Ideas to help bring my wife around? What could I do to try and get it all done at once (i.e. staging the garage build in an intelligent manner, just pouring the pad first, etc.)?

3. Where: The proposed site has some big advantages to my way of thinking. There's already a concrete driveway/approach done, it provides some privacy from the church, and it's using a space (currently a fire pit) that we do not and will not otherwise use. Does limit the size, though, as roughly 20'x20' external dimensions are pretty close to all that will fit. Anywhere else you'd put it?

On a side note, I don't mind space limitations. My cars of choice are small (currently an Austin Healey Sprite and a BMW motorcycle) and will remain so. I've also always got the existing garage for some extra storage and all the yard tools already have a shed. I'm used to tight spaces; the work on the Bugeye happened in one bay of the attached garage.

Sorry for the long post, but there's always a bunch of background information to get across at first. Thanks for making it this far, and a *huge* thanks to all here for the great ideas and inspiration. :bowdown:
 
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Taking into account keeping costs down I think that location is probably the best compromise. Personally I'd want to put it where the swing-set is but that would use up a lot of the garden (not a problem for me!). One other option would be to rotate the garage 45 degrees and set it parallel to the church car park giving the approach to it a nice sweeping curve, this may enable you to make it a bit wider/deeper?.
 

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First and most important questions. What are your zoning requirements? Are there any homeowner association requirements or deed restrictions? Are there any utility easements?
 
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One other option would be to rotate the garage 45 degrees and set it parallel to the church car park

I'll have to draw up something with the garage rotated to be parallel to the church parking lot. That's an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. Would require pouring a bit more concrete, but might also give us a bit more privacy on the church side. Hmmm.

First and most important questions. What are your zoning requirements? Are there any homeowner association requirements or deed restrictions? Are there any utility easements?

Good questions. This is a residential area, but other than property line setbacks (12' to the sides, 2' to the rear) the zoning is pretty loose -- though no commercial would be allowed I'm pretty sure. There is no homeowner association at all and no deed restrictions that I'm aware of. There is a 7' utility easement all around the property.

As drawn I'd be safe within the 12' side and no closer than 8' to the back line (which could be either the church parking lot or the school field).
 

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"2. When: A bit more complicated is the issue of when. My wife *really* wants the landscaping and sprinklers done next summer. This would put that before building the garage. To my way of thinking that's backwards; landscaping goes after all the structures are done. The other side of this is the political points won by giving her what she wants first -- makes it easier to get what I want later. Your thoughts? Ideas to help bring my wife around? What could I do to try and get it all done at once (i.e. staging the garage build in an intelligent manner, just pouring the pad first, etc.)?"

I think you have the answer in your question. The best balance could be to do the landscaping after the pad is in the ground and back filled. The size of garage you've chosen is not likely to have a bunch of folks running around the lot so go ahead and do the landscaping.

Another angle would be to wait until the garage is built so you can see how tall some of the more bigger landscaping elements will need to be.
 

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I'll have to draw up something with the garage rotated to be parallel to the church parking lot. That's an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. Would require pouring a bit more concrete, but might also give us a bit more privacy on the church side. Hmmm.



Good questions. This is a residential area, but other than property line setbacks (12' to the sides, 2' to the rear) the zoning is pretty loose -- though no commercial would be allowed I'm pretty sure. There is no homeowner association at all and no deed restrictions that I'm aware of. There is a 7' utility easement all around the property.

As drawn I'd be safe within the 12' side and no closer than 8' to the back line (which could be either the church parking lot or the school field).

Go by your local jurisdiction that has control over zoning (City, township, county etc.)and ask to look at the zoning regs. (They may be online). Find out the height and area restrictions for accessory buildings. I know you're on a budget and you already have a garage, but you will soon find you were too restrictive in your square footage and height decisions. Have you considered building attached to the existing structure? This is cheaper and will save some back yard space.

A question.....does zoning allow more than one accessory structure? Many places do not and that would require elimination of the existing shed.


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The best balance could be to do the landscaping after the pad is in the ground and back filled. [...] Another angle would be to wait until the garage is built so you can see how tall some of the more bigger landscaping elements will need to be.

The landscaping will be very simple, essentially just remove some of the old mess, level things out, put in sprinklers, and reseed. I am getting the feel, though, that at least getting the pad in first makes sense as the rest of the landscaping needs to flow around the building.

Go by your local jurisdiction that has control over zoning and ask to look at the zoning regs. Find out the height and area restrictions for accessory buildings. I know you're on a budget and you already have a garage, but you will soon find you were too restrictive in your square footage and height decisions. Have you considered building attached to the existing structure?

A question.....does zoning allow more than one accessory structure?

Good questions -- I took a couple minutes on my lunch break today and went to the city's website for the zoning regs. I'm getting better at reading them now. :) Max building height is 35', accessory buildings can't cover more than 25% of the rear yard. My existing "shed" is just a Rubbermaid-type cheap plastic shed, so I don't think that counts (and it's only about 4' square). It's more of a box with a door.

I am okay with the inherent size restrictions I'm dealing with. My original plan was just for a 12'x16' shed for parking the Sprite, but realizing that I had more room I'm trying to maximize it within my financial limitations. At this point, if my stuff doesn't all fit in something roughly this size than I have too much stuff. Though my wife might doubt it, I do have a strong minimalist streak in me.

I've not considered attaching something to the existing structure. Due to setbacks the only way I could go would be out the back of the garage, which would require moving the main electrical service to the house (currently attaches to the back wall of the garage). Is that sort of construction really cheaper? I hadn't figured it would be, but then again this is the first time I've ever done this.
 

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The landscaping will be very simple, essentially just remove some of the old mess, level things out, put in sprinklers, and reseed. I am getting the feel, though, that at least getting the pad in first makes sense as the rest of the landscaping needs to flow around the building.



Good questions -- I took a couple minutes on my lunch break today and went to the city's website for the zoning regs. I'm getting better at reading them now. :) Max building height is 35', accessory buildings can't cover more than 25% of the rear yard. My existing "shed" is just a Rubbermaid-type cheap plastic shed, so I don't think that counts (and it's only about 4' square). It's more of a box with a door.

I am okay with the inherent size restrictions I'm dealing with. My original plan was just for a 12'x16' shed for parking the Sprite, but realizing that I had more room I'm trying to maximize it within my financial limitations. At this point, if my stuff doesn't all fit in something roughly this size than I have too much stuff. Though my wife might doubt it, I do have a strong minimalist streak in me.

I've not considered attaching something to the existing structure. Due to setbacks the only way I could go would be out the back of the garage, which would require moving the main electrical service to the house (currently attaches to the back wall of the garage). Is that sort of construction really cheaper? I hadn't figured it would be, but then again this is the first time I've ever done this.

Is the 7' utility easement 7' on both sides of the property line, or 7' centered on the property line? It would be cheaper to use the existing roof line and side wall by extending off the side of the existing garage and use the existing pad. Setbacks might be dealt with by fireproof construction on the part that impinges on the setbacks.
 
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7' easement is around the perimeter of the entire property (see dashed line below) -- so it's 7' into my property as far as I know.

I'll have to do some measuring on the side of the property to see what's possible.

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More measuring

Now that I'm able to walk a bit better I went out and did a bit more measuring. Looks like I've got a little bit more leeway to the property line than I originally thought -- especially as I realized I can overlap the new garage and the existing one a bit now. As long as the garage door is in the clear, the building can sit a bit farther from the property line if necessary.

This would give me a max of about 24x24 (external) if I used up all the space. I also measured my existing garage, and it's roughly 20x21 (internal) so I'm easily doubling my space.

I'm also pretty set now on a second building as opposed to trying to enlarge the existing garage. I thought about the complications (moving electrical service, etc) and decided that I really like the idea of a separate space. Keep the daily drivers and the projects apart. I also looked at the possibility of rotating the new shop to be parallel to the church parking lot, but decided that doesn't really gain me much here, and might cause some issues with the way the existing utility lines are run.

Here's a few shots of the proposed location for reference. The rocked-in fire pit would be where the new shop would go, extending towards the house and possibly overlapping the existing garage by a few feet (the pine and aspen tree will go). The existing concrete pad would stay, though the bit that extends into the back yard at the rear of the house might get shortened up a bit to make room for the new shop.

So the revised plan is same location and orientation, but 24'x24'. Thanks again for the thoughts and ideas, gave me lots to think about.

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if your landscaping only involves clean up, leveling and some seed, i'd go for that 1st.
keeping the wife happy goes a long way


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keeping the wife happy goes a long way
It sure does. Depending on some other plans I may be able to do both in one year, but I will certainly get the landscaping done this coming summer. Especially as my new shop may wind up a *tad* bigger than she is expecting. :)
 

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It sure does. Depending on some other plans I may be able to do both in one year, but I will certainly get the landscaping done this coming summer. Especially as my new shop may wind up a *tad* bigger than she is expecting. :)

after we bought our house 5 years ago, we did some interior remodeling, repaint, new kitchen floor, countertops, sink, range hood, installed dishwasher, stripped and refinished the original solid maple cabinets.
the landscapeing had been neglected for years by the former (elderly) homeowners. this summer i took down a large apple tree, added a few truckloads of dirt, mulch, horesh*t, and rocks for the wifes planting beds.
kept her happy :)
i'll probably never get around to building a larger (30x40) garage, and demo'n the old (19x22) one.
oh well. :(
if i get rid of my s-10 blazer off road truck, i'd have plenty of room

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Well, I've decided firmly against trying to get the garage done this year. I just don't have enough cash on hand to do it properly, and will feel stupid if I cheap out just to get it a year sooner. Besides, that frees up some funding this year to finish up the Bugeye and maybe even get some work done on the BMW.

Garage is still in the plans, though I'm going to wait until I have the funding on hand to do it properly. Thanks again for the ideas -- I'll be back at the planning stage soon enough!
 

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I'm planning on 10' walls if possible (no plans for a lift) with standard trusses and no attic storage, though eventual insulation and a pellet stove for warmth. Thoughts? Are my assumptions correct?

If the plan is to one day heat this space, consider insulating the slab, it will really add to the comfort.

Perhaps you can transplant the fire pit to the swingset area. Personally I like the fire pit and would be hard pressed to give it up.
 
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If the plan is to one day heat this space, consider insulating the slab, it will really add to the comfort.
I will definitely look into that once I get into the deeper planning stages. I'm all about insulation and heat -- it was -16f at my house this morning. Brrrrrr

Perhaps you can transplant the fire pit to the swingset area. Personally I like the fire pit and would be hard pressed to give it up.
We've got a nice deck now, so we're really not interested in the fire pit. Just not our sort of thing. Out it goes. :)
 

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When I built my garage, I had the slab and footers done in the summer with the intent of building the rest that same year. Within a week of getting all the block and concrete work done, I got laid off and money got tight. I put off the build until the following Spring and my friends kept kidding me about my new 'Helo Pad.' They even threatened to paint a yellow circle and put up a wind sock.

My point is that block and concrete is one of your biggest expenses so doing those this year and building next year can be done safely and even economically. My concrete had no problems lasting thru the winter up here in the Midwest.

Maybe this will work for you???
 
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My point is that block and concrete is one of your biggest expenses so doing those this year and building next year can be done safely and even economically. My concrete had no problems lasting thru the winter up here in the Midwest.

I have thought of doing it this way. Good to know that it worked out for someone. I'll be doing a bunch of landscaping work this summer anyways, so that might work into the plans. Hmmmm....
 
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