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The Hand Plane Thread

Jim C.

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I know that many of the members and visitors to the Garage Journal come here for more reasons than I could ever list. I'm sure the population consists of professional craftsman and techs, to relatively skilled DIYers, and those who are just figuring out tools and getting started. To some extent or another, I think we all have an interest in tools and that's why we keep coming back. It seems like a lot of the focus here is on mechanic's tools. I've learned a lot more about them than I ever knew just by reading your posts. My "continuing education" here has certainly caused me to look more closely at my ratchets, sockets, wrenches, etc., and the way I think about using these tools, and others, more effectively and efficiently when I'm engaged in a project around the house, or if I'm just out in the shop tinkering with an old car or machine.

That being said, every now and then it's nice to see something a little different, so I thought I might occasionally post some information about hand planes. I know there must be some woodworkers here, and I'm sure there are some DIYERs and non-woodworkers who might benefit from seeing and hearing about these very useful tools. I should note here that I'm a hand plane collector. In the coming months, I'd like to present some great hand planes that every DIYER should own and use, and maybe a few others that collectors might enjoy too.

I'm definitely not an expert on all old hand planes. There were so many different manufacturers and types of planes being made out of many different materials, and it would take one a lifetime to learn everything. I'll mainly focus on my passion.....old Stanley cast iron planes. I wouldn't call myself an expert on those either, but I'm learning more and more all the time. I'll try to show them to you in pictures, explain their uses, and give you a little history about each one. In between my ramblings, I REALLY hope that you will share your planes too.

I guess I'll start it off with one of my favorites, the Stanley Bedrock #604 Smoother. It was manufactured by Stanley between 1900 and 1943. The plane depicted below is a "type 8" and was most likely produced between 1927 and 1930. It's about nine inches long and has a two inch wide cutting iron. Back in the day this was one of Stanley's premium bench planes, hence the "Bedrock" name. The Bedrock series of bench planes was a little nicer than Stanley's more common bench planes. Maybe we can discuss some of the differences in a later post. The #604's primary use was to "smooth" the surface of a piece of wood, and it was probably the last plane one would need to use just prior to applying a finish to the wood. I say this because with its iron properly sharpened, and the plane properly tuned, it could leave a finished surface that needed little or no sanding. It's capable of taking a very fine shaving and leaving the wood feeling clean and silky smooth. Still, this plane could easily accommodate many general planing jobs. Today, any DIYER might find it handy to use for planing down the edge of a cabinet door that sticks. The key to using this, and any other plane, is making sure the cutting iron is SUPER sharp. That's half the battle. Although the Bedrock series of bench planes are generally coveted by collectors and users alike, some sizes, like this #604, are available via online auctions, flea markets, and garage sales. A plane this size is one I would recommend to any DIYer. It's versatile, fairly rugged, and compact.

Thanks and I hope to post more in the future.

Jim C.
 

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What a great thread topic! I have a few planes; nothing fancy, but I'll try to post a pic or two. There is something really satisfying about using a hand tool that has a good design and is properly tuned. I've tried to learn what is involved in that tuning process to make even a marginal plane perform well. Getting a precise edge to the iron is almost a black art and having a solid jig for the grind, sharpening and polish is essential. I'd be interested to see what you and others use to tune up the plane. I've even tried to shape and polish the bottom plate and throat to keep the motion smooth and chatter-free. The other day I watched a couple of videos (referenced on GJ) about an English custom guitar maker and I was surprise to see him adjust the cut 'on-the-fly' for the piece of stock he was working at the moment. I've always 'assumed' that once a plane's cut depth and angle was set, it should remain at that setting; learn something new every day here at GJ!
 

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I have a few old planes laying about , I picked up some old stanley tools this week, again not much but still fun to look for. I like your post and your pictures:)
 

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Here are some of the planes that have been in our family for many years. The funny thing is the last time that I have used one is in industrial arts class, about 32 years ago.
 

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I have several Hand Planes, most are Stanley with a few Lie Nielsens. Learned alot about them the last few years and use them frequently. I bought mine used and rebuilt them.

I have found you can achieve a a much smoother finish using a hand plane. An amazing tool. The old timers knew what they were doing.

Someday I hope to purchase or build a few infill planes.
 
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What a great thread topic! I have a few planes; nothing fancy, but I'll try to post a pic or two. There is something really satisfying about using a hand tool that has a good design and is properly tuned. I've tried to learn what is involved in that tuning process to make even a marginal plane perform well. Getting a precise edge to the iron is almost a black art and having a solid jig for the grind, sharpening and polish is essential. I'd be interested to see what you and others use to tune up the plane. I've even tried to shape and polish the bottom plate and throat to keep the motion smooth and chatter-free. The other day I watched a couple of videos (referenced on GJ) about an English custom guitar maker and I was surprise to see him adjust the cut 'on-the-fly' for the piece of stock he was working at the moment. I've always 'assumed' that once a plane's cut depth and angle was set, it should remain at that setting; learn something new every day here at GJ!

Thanks for posting first! There are so many things to learn about planes, and their utility, they can become addicting. I'm always amazed to see a piece of furniture or millwork that's 100 years old, or more, and think that some craftsman made it strictly using hand tools. A few key hand planes were absolutely essential, and in some ways, if you're still working with wood, still are. There are a few thing that one could do to tune up a hand plane, but I think that one of the most important steps to be taken is having and keeping an extremely sharp cutting iron. There are many schools of thought on how to go about getting that super sharp edge. Many craftsmen use various jigs, stones (oil and water), grinders, etc. I actually have my own process that involves using a low speed, water lubricated grinder, varoius grits of sandpaper, and a buffing wheel. I'll save that post for another day. None of these processes are a big secret. All it takes is a little practice and some experimentation. Post a few pictures of your planes. I'd like to see them.

Jim C.
 
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I have a few old planes laying about , I picked up some old stanley tools this week, again not much but still fun to look for. I like your post and your pictures:)

Thanks Woody. If there appears to be some interest, I'd like to post more pictures of some old, and a few new planes, that I have in my collection. I'm hoping that others will also post some pictures of their planes.

Jim C.
 

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My FIL collects hand planes. He's got hundreds of them. When I'm there for Christmas ill try to get some pics
 
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Here are some of the planes that have been in our family for many years. The funny thing is the last time that I have used one is in industrial arts class, about 32 years ago.

Wow, what a great collection of planes! I see many, many nice useable planes in those drawers. I also got my first taste of using hand planes, and other hand tools during industrial arts classes back in the mid 1970s. The planes have fascinated me ever since. I really didn't start collecting them until about twelve years ago, but I've always had a few essential "users" around since junior high school. At the very least, everyone should have one or two blocks planes on hand and ready to go. I see several in your collection. You're lucky to be the keeper of the family "jewels." The pictures are appreciated.

Jim C.
 
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I have several Hand Planes, most are Stanley with a few Lie Nielsens. Learned alot about them the last few years and use them frequently. I bought mine used and rebuilt them.

I have found you can achieve a a much smoother finish using a hand plane. An amazing tool. The old timers knew what they were doing.

Someday I hope to purchase or build a few infill planes.

I'd really like to see what you have and I'm glad to hear that you use them. The #604 I posted above is one of my favorite user planes. I think that Lie Nielsens are some of the best planes being made today. They're certainly a little pricey, but well worth the cost in my opinion. They're definitely a pleasure to use. I hope to incorporate some of them into future posts. When you get an infill (built, bought, or both), please post a picture or two.

Jim C.
 

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Hi ho,

I've been collecting more and more Stanley hand planes myself over the last few years (and only Stanley hand planes), although what I do with them is likely considered blasphemy by many here - I do my best to return them to "like new" condition, rather than make any attempt to preserve the original patina and parts - electrolysis for rust removal, re-paint and polish, re-finish the knob and tote, etc. I understand that I'm removing their collector value, but I'm getting them to put to use and have no plans to ever re-sell them, so I'm fine with that.

I started picking them up when I started our home renovation project, only buying those models I needed for a particular project. That of course led to then finding the rest to complete a set of a particular style (like getting all the iron bench planes #2-#8, or all the rabbet planes of the #90 series, etc.), which has led to getting more styles that I'll likely never use at all (like finding all the block planes they offered, or all the transitionals). I'm pleased and proud of what I've been able to put together for a collection, although I consider it far from complete.

Oh, and as Jim C. said, the Bedrock series is the best of the Stanley bench planes by far, but I've promised myself that I will not get any of those until I finish the restoration work on the existing piles of planes I already own. I have to make some kind of incentive to make progress on what's here before I delve into the Bedrocks, especially considering their expense.

Speaking of expense, another "rule" I have is to not spend more than $20 on any plane. With patience I've been able to get most of what I have for only a few dollars. Again, there are exceptions based on the rarity of the model number - I picked up a very nice #2 bench plane not long ago and it was nearly $200 for that puppy... still need the #1, but I don't think that's going to happen on line since they rarely sell there for less than $1500. Besides, you guys have gotten me hooked on bench vises now (so of course I'm chasing the Stanley 74x series to try and get all 6 of the pre-1939 models).

I don't have any group photos of the planes, although individual photos of each one, stuff about electrolysis and tuning, and a full list of specs for each model are available at my renovation project website KesterHouse.com if you're interested.

Looking forward to seeing more of other GJ member's hand planes here!
-JeffK.
 

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I have a few hand planes that used to belong to my Grandfather. Off the top of my had the two I can identify, a Union No 7 with a patent date of Oct 22 1889, and a Stanley No 78 (Canada, I think). I also have a big one like in jjrjh's last pic, but I haven't been able to find any markings on it yet. I'll be sure to take pictures next time I'm up at home, leaving this morning for the city again :(
 
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Hi ho,

I've been collecting more and more Stanley hand planes myself over the last few years (and only Stanley hand planes), although what I do with them is likely considered blasphemy by many here - I do my best to return them to "like new" condition, rather than make any attempt to preserve the original patina and parts - electrolysis for rust removal, re-paint and polish, re-finish the knob and tote, etc. I understand that I'm removing their collector value, but I'm getting them to put to use and have no plans to ever re-sell them, so I'm fine with that.

I started picking them up when I started our home renovation project, only buying those models I needed for a particular project. That of course led to then finding the rest to complete a set of a particular style (like getting all the iron bench planes #2-#8, or all the rabbet planes of the #90 series, etc.), which has led to getting more styles that I'll likely never use at all (like finding all the block planes they offered, or all the transitionals). I'm pleased and proud of what I've been able to put together for a collection, although I consider it far from complete.

Oh, and as Jim C. said, the Bedrock series is the best of the Stanley bench planes by far, but I've promised myself that I will not get any of those until I finish the restoration work on the existing piles of planes I already own. I have to make some kind of incentive to make progress on what's here before I delve into the Bedrocks, especially considering their expense.

Speaking of expense, another "rule" I have is to not spend more than $20 on any plane. With patience I've been able to get most of what I have for only a few dollars. Again, there are exceptions based on the rarity of the model number - I picked up a very nice #2 bench plane not long ago and it was nearly $200 for that puppy... still need the #1, but I don't think that's going to happen on line since they rarely sell there for less than $1500. Besides, you guys have gotten me hooked on bench vises now (so of course I'm chasing the Stanley 74x series to try and get all 6 of the pre-1939 models).

I don't have any group photos of the planes, although individual photos of each one, stuff about electrolysis and tuning, and a full list of specs for each model are available at my renovation project website KesterHouse.com if you're interested.

Looking forward to seeing more of other GJ member's hand planes here!
-JeffK.

Hi Jeff,

I have to say that your KesterHouse website is fantastic! I highly recommend it to everyone who may read this post. I'll definitely be visiting and watching for future updates. The information you posted on your website regarding your plane collection, and the restoration process you perform on them, is certainly more than worth a casual look. I really think you should post your plane restoration process it as a separate thread. At the very least, maybe you could post it here in the this thread as a resource for others who are interested in rehabbing and using old planes. I hope you'll consider it. I think it's great that you're giving new life to old tools that would most likely be left to deteriorate beyond use. Maybe seeing and reading about what you've done will inspire someone to go get that old plane out of the basement/garage/shed, and give it another chance.

As for collecting planes, I hear you, it can be addicting. My collection started out of necessity, where I bought old "user quality" planes, fixed them up, and put them back to work. If I spent the money on it, I used it. Somewhere along the line, I got more and more insane about a plane's condition, authenticity, and originality, and started looking for the "collector quality" planes still in their original boxes. I hate to admit that my "non-users" now significantly outnumber my "users." In the coming months, I'll try to highlight both. I hope you'll post a few pictures too. I'd love to see your 90 series rabbets.

Jim C.
 
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I have a few hand planes that used to belong to my Grandfather. Off the top of my had the two I can identify, a Union No 7 with a patent date of Oct 22 1889, and a Stanley No 78 (Canada, I think). I also have a big one like in jjrjh's last pic, but I haven't been able to find any markings on it yet. I'll be sure to take pictures next time I'm up at home, leaving this morning for the city again :(

We'd like to them.
 

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Not to brag, but i have a few too.
 

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Too much talking, not enough photos. These all once belonged to my Grandfather. My Dad gave me Stanley large chisel plane and the Craftsman rabbit plane. The old wood plane was given to me by my Aunt, this plane had seen some abuse.

Stanley chisel plane

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Old wood plane in need of a few handles.

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A few odds and ends.

Stanley router planes.

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Stanley bullnose chisel plane

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Veritas Miniature Router Plane, Miniature Shoulder Plane, Miniature Edge Plane

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Dang,I'm at a loss for words?

Collectors **** D*ck comes to mind?

Just so my positivity meter stays inline.....all you guys out there using hand planes for their intended purposes....ignor this thread.

No hard feelings to OP.....stupid sharp rules!Every time I'm using my Dad's #7,its like he's right in the shop with us....you know what I mean?
 
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Harvey Melvin Richards, those are some GREAT looking planes! I'm particularly fond of the Lie-Nielsens. Those are really wonderful tools to use. Do you have a favorite? I wish I could afford a few more of those. That old Stanley chisel plane is certainly a rare one in almost any condition. Thanks for posting the pictures. I promise to post a few more pictures this weekend.

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I've been collecting planes since the mid 70s, I got interested in them college, I was an industril arts major. I had more, but have sold alot of them. I need to learn to use them more, I'm more of a power tool woodworker. But I still use hand tools for carving.
 
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While I don't collect hand planes myself I found this fine site while looking for stuff on Record vices.
www.recordhandplanes.com/index.html
There are plenty of little known facts about the vices too...recommended!

That is a nice website. I only have one Record in my collection and it's a compass plane. I bought it many years ago so that I could fair the concave seats of some stools I made for an island in my kitchen. The plane worked perfectly. It's not one that I use very often, but it did a fine job for what it was designed to do. It's a plane that gets one thinking outside of the "flat surface square corner" woodworking box.

Jim C. (who needs to add more to his curved woodworking designs)
 
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Dang,I'm at a loss for words?

Collectors **** D*ck comes to mind?

Just so my positivity meter stays inline.....all you guys out there using hand planes for their intended purposes....ignor this thread.

No hard feelings to OP.....stupid sharp rules!Every time I'm using my Dad's #7,its like he's right in the shop with us....you know what I mean?

You're at a loss for words? So am I. I'm not sure I understand your point(s), but thanks for stopping by.

Jim C.
 
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I've been collecting planes since the mid 70s, I got interested in them college, I was an industril arts major. I had more, but have sold alot of them. I need to learn to use them more, I'm more of a power tool woodworker. But I still use hand tools for carving.

You know, I was in the same boat. I found myself relying more and more on using power tools, and less and less on using hand tools. That all changed several years ago when I encountered a project that was too big for my power tools (particularly my planer) to accomodate. Flattening the boards that eventually became a tabletop required using a scrub, jack, jointer and smoother. That's when I remembered that having some good planes in the shop were invaluable assets. Of course, that mindset morphed into an addiction, and now I have way too many and I'm always looking for more.

Jim C.
 

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Regarding the restoration of a Stanley Hand Plane. I prefer to restore one to as close to new condition as I can. I really do not care about the Patina as I care more about the performance and looks of the tool. Or course, if it is some kind of historical antique I would take exception. But all my Stanley Planes are used even though they are old. As I have been educated more regarding Hand Planes I have learned that the infill planes perform much better than my Stanley or Lie Neilsen Planes but the cost is prohibitive for me.

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My point is....there are those that collect and there are those that DO.

No biggy....continue on.........
 

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Harvey Melvin Richards, those are some GREAT looking planes! I'm particularly fond of the Lie-Nielsens. Those are really wonderful tools to use. Do you have a favorite? I wish I could afford a few more of those. That old Stanley chisel plane is certainly a rare one in almost any condition. Thanks for posting the pictures. I promise to post a few more pictures this weekend.

Jim C.

My favorite is probably the Large Shoulder Plane, mostly because it really does what I need it for. The small block planes are very useful also. I don't work with wood too much at the moment, so the only plane I use currently is the Small Scraper Plane, it actually works OK on polypropylene.

Chisels planes are mostly useless unless you need to trim plugs, tenons or work into a corner. Then they can't be beat.

Veritas has some of the best and most innovative planes being made today. Most other planes are just modified copies of planes no longer made.
 

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Hi ho,

I second that Veritas / Lee Valley has some fantastic planes available, and HMR - that Stanley 97 is a thing of beauty and a joy to behold! Been trying to get one of those for years now. Thanks for sharing!

-JeffK.
 

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Hi ho,

I second that Veritas / Lee Valley has some fantastic planes available, and HMR - that Stanley 97 is a thing of beauty and a joy to behold! Been trying to get one of those for years now. Thanks for sharing!

-JeffK.
Thanks, I think the Stanley has had a hard life, lots of nicks in the front of the bed.
 
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My point is....there are those that collect and there are those that DO.

No biggy....continue on.........

Oh, well thanks for explaining that. I guess I'm guilty of both "doing and collecting." Hey, is there a third category for pompous, elitist jerks?

Jim C.
 

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New guy here, and I am really enjoying this board. It is assuring to find so many others with "the sickness" :)

In another lifetime, I worked as a custom millworker, and this collection of planes saw regular use (daily use, for some of them), for 25 years:

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I have a bunch of my Great Grandfather's cabinet making tools. For a while he was making Ice Boxes with these. I need to get more picts of them sometime, you can see though several molding planes and others.

Here is a more unique plane though. It doesn't say Stanley on it. I don't remember specifically what is said on it. From what I gleam about what I wrote about it though it looks like it could be a Stanley #48 Tongue and Groove Plane. But I made some other notes that suggest that Miller had a patent on this in 1876. If I recall what I read before Stanley would buy rights to use patents and so I can't really tell for sure if its a Stanley, Miller or other brand using the miller Patent.

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It has 2 blades and uses the guide on the left side to cut the tongue. You can pivot the guide on the screw in the center by releasing the locking pin by the knob handle. By pivoting the guide 180 deg it would cover one of the blades and place the groove in the correct position.
 
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New guy here, and I am really enjoying this board. It is assuring to find so many others with "the sickness" :)

In another lifetime, I worked as a custom millworker, and this collection of planes saw regular use (daily use, for some of them), for 25 years:

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Hey Henry,

Welcome on board. What a great group of planes! You've got a pretty diverse collection for sure. That #10 bench rabbet looks like it's in mint condition. Is the shoulder plane in the lower left corner a Preston?
 
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I have a bunch of my Great Grandfather's cabinet making tools. For a while he was making Ice Boxes with these. I need to get more picts of them sometime, you can see though several molding planes and others.

Here is a more unique plane though. It doesn't say Stanley on it. I don't remember specifically what is said on it. From what I gleam about what I wrote about it though it looks like it could be a Stanley #48 Tongue and Groove Plane. But I made some other notes that suggest that Miller had a patent on this in 1876. If I recall what I read before Stanley would buy rights to use patents and so I can't really tell for sure if its a Stanley, Miller or other brand using the miller Patent.

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It has 2 blades and uses the guide on the left side to cut the tongue. You can pivot the guide on the screw in the center by releasing the locking pin by the knob handle. By pivoting the guide 180 deg it would cover one of the blades and place the groove in the correct position.

Hi Falcon (I like your avitar),

I think you're right. It appears that you have an early Stanley #48, or possibly a #49. The only difference between the two models is the size of the tongue and groove joint each would cut. Both models were manufactured between 1876 and 1942. Early models, made prior to 1898, were japanned and had a scroll design on the handle. These early japanned models should have Miller's patent date (7/6/1875) cast under the handle. Later versions of the plane were nickel plated and had a fishscale design on the handle. Even though these planes really look like crazy "contraptions," they actually work very well for making the joint they were designed to make.

Jim C.
 

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Hey Henry,

Welcome on board. What a great group of planes! You've got a pretty diverse collection for sure. That #10 bench rabbet looks like it's in mint condition. Is the shoulder plane in the lower left corner a Preston?

Thanks for the welcome!

It is a Record 77. I bought all of those planes new, as needed for work, except for the Stanley/Bailey #5, which I acquired used.
 
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