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The Harbor Freight PASS/FAIL Thread...

AlphaWhiskey

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800 Lb. Low Lift Transmission Jack
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Big FAIL. Bought to change clutch on a Dodge pickup. It would take about 30 seconds to fall out of place. would fold under 200lb ******, then trying to get transmission back in was a ***** because the jack would keep falling down. Finnaly tried bleeding adding more fluid Which did nothing. final verdict it was complete junk
 
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I have had 2 of the 44" harbor freight tool chests, the first one i bought pretty much when they came out for around 425 or so, when we moved to maryland it got knocked off the back of the moving truck....bent and twisted all to hell, not really harbor freight's fault, a 6 foot fall WILL seriously mess anything that heavy up.
the replacement on (still the older dull red style) seemed a little "cheaper" and it was about a hundred bucks cheaper then the old one. a few days ago i picked up a 41" side locker (the bright red new style) and it seems to be ok, i cut a hole in the back to run a power cable for my Gensys and battery chargers
 

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^ Good to know. I wonder how their bigger orange one is?

I have had two of the large ones. The first was sold with my business, and I bought another soon after.

They have been used to remove/replace large transmissions, as well as other odd jobs. The transmissions the first one handled most often were Eaton Roadranger truck transmissions, which are quite heavy. I bought the second one when we replaced the clutch on my Son-in-laws Ford Superduty F350. We left the transfer case on the ZF 6-speed, which made it really heavy, but the jack didn't complain a bit!

As for odd jobs, I used the second one to hold a rear bumper in position while I fabricated and welded up brackets to attach it and the receiver hitch to the frame of my Superduty F250. I could control elevation, left/right tilt, and fore/aft tilt to dial in the position exactly where I wanted it!

PASS! :beer:
 

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dledinger said:
Here's my first post in the thread. While I generally avoid buying cheap tools...I will sometimes when there are substantial savings to be had.

Most of this stuff I have had for at least a few months.

7. Laser thermometer: PASS. Nothing wrong with this. Bought it on sale for much less than the indicated $59.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/96400-96499/96451E.gif

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96451

8. Three piece pry bar set: FAIL. These are junk....IMO. Not worth the $4 I paid for the set. They are about as stiff a a wet piece of spaghetti.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/44900-44999/44912.gif

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44912

9. 60 piece SAE and Metric tap and die set: PASS. I researched this before buying it, and found reviews that ranged from garbage - to great. I have a hodgepodge of HSS and carbon steel taps..but I was tired of always digging around in unorganized bins and jars for the ones I needed. This went on sale for $25, so I went to the store and checked it out. I found that the different sets represent a huge variation in quality. Some of them would obviously not cut threads. Not even CLOSE to functioning...and full of boogers and **** threads. On this particular set, both the taps and dies had nice, sharp, uniform threads....so I picked it up. In the end, it was well worth the purchase. I use it quite often, and find that they cut good threads. I haven't managed to break one after a few months of twisting them. I am very pleased with this purchase....and reach for this before the better taps in my cabinet just because it is organized. One flaw I found, is that it was missing one tap, and had two of another. Luckily I had a spare in the missing size and slipped it in the case. I'd buy this again in a minute!

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/35400-35499/35407.gif

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=35407

Well...hope that helps someone. I've had pretty good luck just by applying common sense to my purchases and taking a good look at the product before walking out the store. Most hardline tools I'd never consider buying there, but I think if you shop carefully and think before you buy you can have a couple good deals.

Laser Guided Jigsaw (Item #92772)...PASS

Used it to notch a dozen sheets of 7/16 OSB I used for sheeting my pallet racking. I'm no carpenter, but it got the job done for me ($19.99 on sale)

Non Contact Laser Thermometer (Item #96451)...PASS

Used for a variety of projects around the house and shop, checking beer fridge temp, smoker temp, etc. Got for $24.99 on sale

Cen-Tech 96451 - Non Contact Laser Thermometer.

PASS.

I've used it to troubleshoot engines and snap switches on pellet stoves. It's getting to be invaluable. On sale this week-end for $26, a very good deal.

http://www.harborfreight.com/non-co...ab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_3578.jpg

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93984 Infrared Thermometer
- Pass, so far I've been pleased. The small size makes it easy to carry or slip in a pocket. Accuracy is pretty good.

Cen-tech infrared thermometer...Pass

Been using one regularly for the last few weeks. Seems to be accurate within the given specs. Only complaint I have (and its a small one) is that it defaults to celcius. Oh yea, also doesn't work well on stainless, but I don't think many do. With coupon only $25. Definitely worth the trip to HF.

Yes that is a good one.

You won't regret it..super efficient and incredibly accurate for the price.


Non contact infrared thermometer (96451) - PASS

This thing is awesome. Just point and click. I've been debating this buy but since it was 19.99 for black friday I had to jump on it. I'm glad I did.

I used it, pointed at different things and got temp readings that made sense, but never really used it in a shop environment. Just stuff in the kitchen & outside to see if it worked.

I have one and used it again just the other day to diagnose a failed thermostat. When the 190* thermostat was working, it read about 192 and the thermostat was open. Prior to that, the thermostat housing had raised to about 210 and the needle gauge was higher than normal.

I had one and it works fine. I think I paid $20 or so with a coupon when it was on sale. Like everything at HF, it is not going to be as good or last as long as a professional grade one that costs $100+.

It is actually the exact same as the cheapest fluke and the klien. Size, shape, and model number. Fluke obviously makes some higher end ones but I would be good money they are rebranding the same low end one that HF does. I have no standards to compare it against. I use it in my kitchen mostly. Boiling water is 100 degrees and an ice bath is 0 degrees. My wife is 98 degrees F so it seems to be working and I have no complaints so far.

Okay, bought the Cenco non-contact infrared thermometer. $35.99 less 25%, or $26.99.

Seems okay, so call it a PASS except for the stupid "heavy duty" carbon 9V battery that will likely have to be replaced in 2 months.

Only the Chinese still use carbon/zinc batteries. They aren't even made in any first world country anymore.

Yup, battery is junk, and nothing uses a 9v these days. I ended up buying some Ultralast batteries off ebay cheap, but next time I am at a swap meet with a bunch of store returns (costco, best buy, wholesale all returns and people sell them at the swap meets) I'll pick up a couple Energizer lithiums cheap (like a buck or so).

I have a couple of the IR thermometers, the same big one with a large range, and the smaller keychain size with a smaller range, but MUCH longer battery life.

Remember it is less accurate if point at shinny surface. I believe that is true for all brands. I bought a high temperature black marker just in case I need to mark up a shinny surface before measuring.

Anyone have any clue about the http://www.harborfreight.com/infrared-thermometer-with-laser-targeting-non-contact-69465.html laser targeting infrared thermometer? The 2 that I have gotten are both incorrect sometimes and spot on others. I dont want to say FAIL yet
but its not looking good.
I only see one comment about accuracy reL shiny surfaces. Otherwise, mostly good reviews.

Ours has worked great in the kitchen & garage for a couple years, through a few batteries.
 

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Add 3 more to the pass catagory

End Knippers
Diagonal Cutter
Cable Cutter

In my opinion these are also a good value as their Channellock counterparts are at least double in price. I used the end knippers yesterday to prep my house for painting (all cedar siding) and just as sharp as when they started the day.

 

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I only see one comment about accuracy reL shiny surfaces. Otherwise, mostly good reviews.

Ours has worked great in the kitchen & garage for a couple years, through a few batteries.
Thanks for using the same search that I already used. I was looking for
new experiences. Because mine is off by about 3-5 degrees on my body
and 1-2 on my thermostat in the house but other things its accurate.
Thanks for the input though. I think Im going to try one more exchange.
 

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Add 3 more to the pass catagory

End Knippers
Diagonal Cutter
Cable Cutter

In my opinion these are also a good value as their Channellock counterparts are at least double in price. I used the end knippers yesterday to prep my house for painting (all cedar siding) and just as sharp as when they started the day.


I have those cable cutters. They **** compared to Klein. The edge angle is way less sharp, so you really struggle to cut thick copper.

Anyone have any clue about the laser targeting infrared thermometer? The 2 that I have gotten are both incorrect sometimes and spot on others. I dont want to say FAIL yet
but its not looking good.

Infrared thermometers are generally ok on matte painted surfaces. They'll read low on shiny surfaces, and way low on shiny metal.
 

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Thanks for using the same search that I already used. I was looking for
new experiences. Because mine is off by about 3-5 degrees on my body
and 1-2 on my thermostat in the house but other things its accurate.
Thanks for the input though. I think Im going to try one more exchange.
You're welcome.

When did the product change, necessitating the new experiences? I estimate ours is 18 to 30 months old.

That's good you read those posts in between your first and second.

What was your point of reference in determining those inaccuracies?

Were you familiar with the breadth of the measuring area? It's outlined in the manual for your IR thermometer. I take it you've not read this?

From what kind of a lab did you retire?
 

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You're welcome.

When did the product change, necessitating the new experiences? I estimate ours is 18 to 30 months old.

That's good you read those posts in between your first and second.

What was your point of reference in determining those inaccuracies?

Were you familiar with the breadth of the measuring area? It's outlined in the manual for your IR thermometer. I take it you've not read this?

From what kind of a lab did you retire?

Im sure the product as with most products changes more than you think
The point of reference was said in the statement I measured my boy temp
with a standard contact thermometer and my digital thermostat displays
the temp on it. The reason I stated them is to see if thats normal for these
to be off by that amount. Yes I read the manual before posting.
A lab has nothing to do with any of this, I need the tool to do what
it was made to do and do it accurately. And if you must know for what
its to help diagnose a very small vacuum leak on my motorcycle so the
difference in the cylinder temps may not be that much
 

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Im sure the product as with most products changes more than you think
The point of reference was said in the statement I measured my boy temp
with a standard contact thermometer and my digital thermostat displays
the temp on it. The reason I stated them is to see if thats normal for these
to be off by that amount. Yes I read the manual before posting.
A lab has nothing to do with any of this, I need the tool to do what
it was made to do and do it accurately. And if you must know for what
its to help diagnose a very small vacuum leak on my motorcycle so the
difference in the cylinder temps may not be that much
Excellent.

Now for reference, you may wish to consider further the accuracy variance provided in the manual.

It happens to be in percent in the HF manual.

Interestingly, in Fluke's manual for a similar product, it's in a number of degrees.

With regards to the breadth of measured area, the area is going to be larger the further the tool is from the surface.

You're not experiencing anything outside normalcy.
 

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Fail

http://www.harborfreight.com/48-volt-cordless-screwdriver-kit-68394.html

I went to buy a cordless screwdriver when my Black and Decker battereis refused to charge and I needed a tool for a job.
This unit is horribly underpowered. If will drive a screw into a wood if the fit is not too tight but would not screw a screw into an anchor in a cinder block wall.

Really a hobby toy. Perhaps I was asking too much for 9 bucks (less 20%)
 

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Has anyone used the Steel Mesh Wagon?

http://www.harborfreight.com/steel-mesh-deck-wagon-38137.html

My new, detached garage/shop will be 90' from my house (rear of house and door to basement) and 140'+ from my attached garage (at the front of the house). Also, the last 50' or so will be stone or paver paths, so this, with large-ish rubber tires, could work out well for ferrying heavy things back and forth.
 

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Steel mesh deck wagon (38137)- Pass

http://www.harborfreight.com/steel-mesh-deck-wagon-38137.html

It's much handier than a wheelbarrow or a dolly when moving large items and boxes outdoors.

I wouldn't do 1000 lbs on it though- probably max 500 lbs.

I'm going to grab one of these this weekend.......

If the rims have the 4 bolts holding them together, definitely take them apart and put some locktite on them.

Also, you really need to center the load. The construction is similar to a skateboard where it will lean to one side or the other causing you to lose your load easily.

I used to have this problem when I was in High School.....:lol_hitti

Thanx for the tip....:beer:

We use those type of wagons for all kinds of things around the place, but there is no way I'd put 1,000lbs on them. Make sure you put slime in the tires before you put the unit into service..

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I picked one up today....I see what you guys mean about the "1000 lb" rating...I'm 200 lbs and I stood on the cart and I don't know if I'd really want to put more then that on this unit....(Maybe they meant 100 lb, and added an extra zero by accident.)

Well, I ve had my HF Steel Mesh Deck Wagon for a few days now, and have used the hell out of it...I moved two pallets of travertine pavers (6000 lbs total) and four pallets of cement block...My back is hurting but the cart is doing good...(As stated, this thing could probably haul 300 lbs max.)

It is unreal when I open the door leading into the garage, I am blown away by the HF stench of this wagon...I wonder if I could air this thing out, or will the stench go away in time..

Does yours stink up the whole garage like mine does?

I don't have that cart but my 4 drawer service cart stunk up my garage for a week. It must be the wheels. I said it's lucky I bought mine for the garage because if it were something for the house or an office there would be no way people could put up with the smell.

When I bought mine, it did not smell at all. Considering the whole thing is powder coated, I don't see what could smell except maybe the rear axle?

I think it's the tires like skulldrinker said....

Has anyone used the Steel Mesh Wagon?

http://www.harborfreight.com/steel-mesh-deck-wagon-38137.html

My new, detached garage/shop will be 90' from my house (rear of house and door to basement) and 140'+ from my attached garage (at the front of the house). Also, the last 50' or so will be stone or paver paths, so this, with large-ish rubber tires, could work out well for ferrying heavy things back and forth.

Here you go...
 
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Horror Freight crow's foot wrenches: FAIL!

Keep in mind, these are 3/8" drive crow's feet. Not that much torque can be applied with a 3/8" ratchet that is less than 1 foot long... more like only 8" of leverage.

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http://www.harborfreight.com/7-piece-3-8-eighth-inch-crowfoot-sae-wrench-set-94426.html

I've been saying all along that HF wrenches are junk, based on the quality (or lack of) in the metal. I'm still waiting for someone to put a few under a hardness tester. A fellow in Greece recently did so on the "Tools from the Old World" thread. German wrenches all tested top notch. I'd like to see a comparison with the HF junk.
 

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Ha I"ve got another Chinese spanner wrench cracked in the same way. It was a large 1 1/8" combination wrench, that failed on the open ended side.

I've also had a Chinese torque wrench grenade apart... just exploded... that's how the metal let go.

I've never had any trouble with wrenches from Taiwan. My first full wrench set after deciding that my cobbled together random collection was not complete, was an "Allied" brand that I bought in the 1980's at Price Club (one of the predecessors to Costco).

The wrench set was an incredibly complete raised panel combination set made in Taiwan. I still use these wrenches to this day, three decades later. Never had a lick of trouble. The only sizes that didn't come with the set was 18mm, and that 1 1/8" from China that broke.

I think that wrench came from HF too... the old HF of 10 years ago when the father was in charge... before the small chain metastasized into a cultural verb, similar to McDonald's, opening two new store locations every month. I'm so glad this thread exists... to give wide and wild eyed new tool hunters a reality check about how these tools work in the field, and the safety risks inherent in using cheap, weak steel (or pot metal) that breaks away on you, causing injury.
 

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HF 4x6 band saw-Pass. got this last month and have done a decent amount of cutting( mild steel an brass) . Comes with ****** thin legs that are short and definetly requires thorough set-up and adjustment but once that's done,it cuts great even with the stock blade.

HF drill press (69$ shorty)-Pass. another month old purchase.no wobble,motor doesn't drop rpm, Ive probably got roughly 75-100 holes drilled on it.i have no issues with it.
 

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I have 5 impact wrenches. Needed one that can take off a honda crank pulley bolt (none of mine could and I don't have access to my 1 in air impact) and was going to buy an earthquake 1/2 version when I saw a 3/4 inch version on sale for $79. With coupon, it came out to about $60.

1000 ft/lb max torque. Not bad. Better than my 3 craftsman air impact wrench in terms of torque.

Sale ended on 5/15 unfortunately.

Here's a comparison video:


This is the impact wrench:

http://www.harborfreight.com/3-4-quarter-inch-heavy-duty-impact-wrench-66984.html

Gary
 

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I bought the HF 14" metal chop saw it has to be close to 7 years ago, its cheap, its underpowered, but it wont die. for the 1/2 the cost of anything else on sale, I'd buy another anyday. I have had great success with 3/32" width blades, 1/8" is alot slower cutting and dont bother with anything bigger. if your into cutting each piece as you go it is good stuff, if you want to pile up metal and weld it all at once, I dunno, I think my success comes from working to stay well below my welders duty cycles hobart handler 190, so I cut the first few pieces and weld them up, and repeat, so nothing equipment wise gets too hot. I am still on my original brushes for the motor, if that matters.
 

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Cable Cutter

In my opinion these are also a good value as their Channellock counterparts are at least double in price.

I absolutely disagree. I bought them as a one time use tool when I was running #6 copper to the shop. They worked great for that but just limited use has really taken a toll on the blade.

I am a big fan of HF brand tools with the exception of almost anything with a sharpened blade. I have plenty of cheap import pliers and cutters but have been buying Kliens lately and will not be going back.
 

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I have had 2 of the 44" harbor freight tool chests, the first one i bought pretty much when they came out for around 425 or so, when we moved to maryland it got knocked off the back of the moving truck....bent and twisted all to hell, not really harbor freight's fault, a 6 foot fall WILL seriously mess anything that heavy up.
the replacement on (still the older dull red style) seemed a little "cheaper" and it was about a hundred bucks cheaper then the old one. a few days ago i picked up a 41" side locker (the bright red new style) and it seems to be ok, i cut a hole in the back to run a power cable for my Gensys and battery chargers

i got the shiny red one for work. $359 w/ coupon, usually the lowest they have it for these days. it's pretty good i think. greasable wheels, smooth drawer slides...a comparable quality name brand would be closer to $1000 i'd think. and being for work, where it's liable to get banged up, tipped over or crashed into, i wasn't spending any more than i had to.
 

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I bought the HF 14" metal chop saw it has to be close to 7 years ago, its cheap, its underpowered, but it wont die. for the 1/2 the cost of anything else on sale, I'd buy another anyday. I have had great success with 3/32" width blades, 1/8" is alot slower cutting and dont bother with anything bigger. if your into cutting each piece as you go it is good stuff, if you want to pile up metal and weld it all at once, I dunno, I think my success comes from working to stay well below my welders duty cycles hobart handler 190, so I cut the first few pieces and weld them up, and repeat, so nothing equipment wise gets too hot. I am still on my original brushes for the motor, if that matters.

i have one of these too. yes, it's under powered, but i've been using it for a couple of years now and it's been ok. i just cut slower. i need a bandsaw for most of the cuts i make on it anyway!
 

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Maybe someone in charge should chime in, but isn't this intended for longer term use reviews? giving anything a pass after 1 use or 1 day is not the goal of this thread. Does it hold up? Did you run into maintenance in your (at least a few weeks) time using it?

That's what we're looking for. had it for 1 day, pass, then 2 uses later it explodes? Not saying that will happen, their compressors are generally good in the sense that you definitely can get a bad one (but you probably won't with the better QC now) but they're underpowered for what they advertised.

You need to use it some and post back with more time on it.
 

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That happens with anything people review online. People are excited about their new stuff and immediately post a review while they're still in the honeymoon period.
 

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That happens with anything people review online. People are excited about their new stuff and immediately post a review while they're still in the honeymoon period.
sort of. I bought an item and during the first use it did not function sufficiently. I had to "tune it up" to make it work some what. I posted it up and gave it a fail - during the honeymoon period. I find a review like that useful to help me make a choice on a purchase.
I do agree that it is a tendency to post positive reviews if it meets your expectations. But there should be a followup review at a later time to see if it holds up over time.
 

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I completely agree with you laser. And while sometimes it's a judgement call whether something is an immediate fail, nothing is ever an immediate pass.

Nearly everything from HF that runs on air or electricity is buying a mini-project that you have to tune up to get it to work in the long term. The bandsaw is a perfect example. Can you imagine if the first person just gave it a blanket fail after using it once? there's so many people out there that have tweaked it just right for them, we all know it now as a great option if you are willing to make it work. On the other hand, it does not deserve a pass right out of the box and anyone who gives it one is not being helpful in any way.

This isn't intended to be for just one person's benefit. Everybody saw what happened a few weeks ago, let things cool out for a little and we'll all do just fine.
 

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Generally, I only read poor reviews of products. You assume the products anywhere should do what they claim so the positive reviews are usually not detailed enough to be related to my particular task to be useful.
 

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Okay let me think about everything I have thats HF. For reference this is all "light duty" home use.

Pry bar set (4) - Pass/fail. The big ones are a pass but the smallest of the 4 is a fail since it bent the tip easily.

plastic trays - Pass. These are great to hold nails and such.

1/2" breaker bar - huge pass

knee pads - pass. I wish they came one size smaller. I am only 5'3" so they are pretty big.

blue latex gloves - pass I use these all the time. They are awesome

multi oscellating tool - pass.

nail pry bar - huge pass

Chisel set - pass

riveter - pass

6" level - pass but wish it had a stronger magnet.

curved jaw locking plier - pass/fail. the big and medium one pass. the small one fails.

tonge and groove plier - fail.

snap ring plier - pass/fail some of the tips broke but I still have 1/2 of them left.

long reach needle nose - pass

Air tool quick connects - fail these things leak

air paint sprayer - seems to do good for someone that doesnt know what hes doing. Pass

red rags - huge pass

micro fiber towels - huge pass

vacume brake bleeder - fail it never worked well

roller seat - huge pass. I love this thing!

funnels - great and cheap. pass!

jack stand (3 ton I think) - pass

canvas bags - pass. great to store my hitch and tie down straps in my truck

resperator mask - pass

3" vise - FAIL. It cracked.

pole saw - pass/fail. worked well for a while and then failed.

garden gnome - failed. They chipped easily.

tarp - fail - these just fray to easy. Its like a one use thing.

tie down straps (both ratchet and the just pull tight kind) - pass.

There is more but I cant think of everything. I am sure I have tossed things away over the years.

I just picked up the 2.5 T jack. I lifted the back end of the truck and let it sit for maybe and hour or two with no movement. I think i can get some good life out of this one!
 

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Garden Gnome!!!!:lol_hitti

What are the evaluation criteria for that one?

I think it's whether or not it gets you good rates on travel fares.

Like I said, i am a light duty home tool user and unfortunately the garden gnomes just fell apart in a short time. its not like we were kicking them because of bad airline deals but they just kinda crumbled. Maybe if they were stored in a enclosed cabinet they would have survived.

For reference this gnome has survived several years and a move and is going strong!
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HF semiautomatic tire changer (item 67517) - pass!

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They just took it off their website for some reason, but it's a heck of a deal at $599 after coupon and minus tax and shipping.

Gary
 
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