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Wouldn't have been easier to just bring the whole chest home and sort it later?
The thought crossed the Acquisitions Dept's mind, but he likely had the little white angel version of the Curator reminding him in one ear that we have too many unsorted chests for that in the Lugzsonian already, and the little red devil version of the Curator reminding him in his other ear (lowers voice to a whisper so as not to upset the hooligans...) that we are not big fans of Kennedy boxes.
 
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Other than identifying them, we won't be saying much more about the Southington Hardware Company wood screw gauge, the chalk or the French compass.

But we love and have so much more to say about the Bowes Seal-Fast tire marking crayon and the "Design-Aidor," starting with that piece, even though we're not sure how we're supposed to pronounce it!

As a wordsmith, the Curator can't help but see it as a "Designator" (with a hard "g", as in, someone or something who/which designates), which is crisp and clear and rolls right off the tongue with conviction. Given its purpose for mechanical drawing, though, we're sure we need to swallow that "g", and start with "Design-" but the suffix is killing us! We're finding ourselves pronouncing the end of the contraction like something in between the end of the word for an airtight container for keeping cigars fresh and the end of the word for the appliance in your kitchen keeping food fresh! Resulting in the euphemistic illegitimate daughter of Ralph Nader and a Pakistani belly dancer, named Desai (da-ZAI). As in, Desai Nader. :)

However we refer to it, it is a treasure in the sense of its wonderful, original condition and intactness!

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We have not yet tracked down the patent implicit in the "PAT. PENDING" marking on the folding envelope it is stored in and the celluloid device itself. We are not yet sure what "J.P. DART 24 Water Street New York" on the envelope refers to, but it appears to have been designed, made, and marketed by an enterprise calling itself O.D. PATENTS CORPORATION.

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I am reading it as Design-Aid-or (er). Dropping the I when pronouncing it would be more like Design-ador, which is how I read the highlight at first (Guide to Exhibit Hall). I think that is a function of our brain "speed-reading" (like the paragraph that only has the first/last letter correct and everything in between mixed up, that can still be "read"), rather than a correct pronunciation though.

Or it was made by the same kind of people who needed to add a pronunciation guide for ads about Kraeuter...

Either way, cool to see stuff that can still be around in modern times (for all of the items)!

PS. I am also kind of not a fan of Kennedy. Nothing personal, just find all of the other versions of the 520/526 by different makers more interesting, not counting the armorers chests, or other layouts.
 

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When I think "Design-Ador", I have this image in my head of a giant reptile with huge teeth and a long tail. :cool:

I am curious, though.... Does the arc on the top of that piece make a circle? Or.... ? I think I still have my French Curves from Junior High drafting classes, but I don't believe I have anything with a curve on it like that.
 
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When I think "Design-Ador", I have this image in my head of a giant reptile with huge teeth and a long tail. :cool:

I am curious, though.... Does the arc on the top of that piece make a circle? Or.... ? I think I still have my French Curves from Junior High drafting classes, but I don't believe I have anything with a curve on it like that.
That was the Designasaur. Universally hated by the more common Wrenchasuarus and Hammerasaur.
 
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Did you read the directions?
...of course not...
What are those again?
Five demerits each, which you can remove by volunteering to smack the blackboard erasers together outside after class every day this week. :)

Seriously, we have read the directions, and you can apparently use it to mark out lines and waypoints of circles of various diameters by using the array of geometrically calibrated markings and holes, but it's more complicated than we want to dedicate our time to this morning. The curve is on a circle at the outside edge in the 0*-45* section, and you can use it like a stencil to make a circle 12" in diameter, but it's obviously not a protractor (i.e., half a circle), or even a 1/4 of a circle, so you have to move it more than just twice (or four times) to maintain the curve.
 

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We are not yet sure what "J.P. DART 24 Water Street New York" on the envelope refers to,
Did a little poking about. The building at 24 Waters street was built in 1900, and appears to be slated to be torn down for a mega apartment (1300+ unit) complex.

I wasn’t having luck finding directories where I could look up the address to see who the tenants were when, but I suspect he was the retailer.
 
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^ okay, okay...
Hey man, my eyeballs are old! I had to download and enlarge them to read it. That sounds like a rather laborious process to make a circle (as opposed to just pulling out a compass), but if that's all ya got, I suppose it would work fine. (I'm struggling with that one, because I was using a compass in third or fourth grade, as I recall - I loved playing with gizmos like that.)
I don't think I ever had any of those "all in one" widgets. I still have all of my old-school technical drafting tools from 7th grade: the curves, the scales, the parallels, and drafting pens and such. Mr. Buranen was a real stickler about using the right tool for the job, and properly using each tool (e.g., never use the scale for drawing the line with the pencil.)

So... did you ferret out the patent number?
Three different companies?
J.P. Dart
O.D. Patent
C.W. Keenan

Definitely a candidate for listing at datamp.org!!!
 
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Wait, so I am supposed to smack @four.cycle with the the erasers outside after class? And the teacher told me to do so? I am in!
Maybe you can get one of those clapping pattern rhythms going on like pre-teen girls used to be into Pre-internet.
Seriously now, you guys never had to clap erasers together after class or school? Am I the only one who has experienced this punishment privilege? Granted, this was a small Catholic school in a little coal town in the sticks, but I know someone out there knows what I am talking about. The sisters thought it was toil, and/or messy, but we loved it! The objective was removing all the hopefully an-du-septic chalk dust. They probably told us to hold our breath. We would smack them together, on a wall, against each other, etc, until no more dust came out. Meanwhile, it went everywhere. Fun times! :)
 

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Seriously now, you guys never had to clap erasers together after class or school? Am I the only one who has experienced this punishment privilege? Granted, this was a small Catholic school in a little coal town in the sticks, but I know someone out there knows what I am talking about. The sisters thought it was toil, and/or messy, but we loved it! The objective was removing all the hopefully an-du-septic chalk dust. They probably told us to hold our breath. We would smack them together, on a wall, against each other, etc, until no more dust came out. Meanwhile, it went everywhere. Fun times! :)
Somehow, we were brain-washed into believing it was a privilege! Honest.

Somewhere in High School (mid-'70s) they introduced a mechanical cleaner--like a carpet vacuum mounted upside-down--that didn't require going outside to use. Very convenient in the rainy climate of the Willamette valley.
 
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So... did you ferret out the patent number?
No.
Three different companies?
J.P. Dart
O.D. Patent
C.W. Keenan
I haven't figured out Keenan yet. I am thinking J.P. Dart just printed the envelope, but I am not sure. It's an awfully large font for simply giving them credit for that.

I have not found much on O.D. Patents Corporation, either, other than to confirm they seem to be the prime mover. I have been musing about the name. The "O" could be almost anything, but the "D" is probably "Design," I guess. I have not seen it expanded in any literature. Searching on it results in a surprising number of companies named [Something] Patents Corporation. This is not something we see in the hand tools sector. Almost like companies were just inventing and patenting things. In other words, that was their business model. And then they perhaps moved it onto someone else to execute (for a fee, of course).
Definitely a candidate for listing at datamp.org!!!
Not to dampen your enthusiasm, which I appreciate - I am pretty confident the piece is from 1929 and therefore almost 100 years old, which is thrilling to me, but DATAMP is mainly mechanical. I understand this "tool" could be used for mechanical drawing, but I don't think DATAMP has anything like this in its mission statement or data base.
 
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^ Well..... on that note.... Jeff and I have many times discussed that aspect of it. "Tool" is "tool", and I think he's kinda-sorta on the same page as me when it comes to the definition: "a device used to assist in the performance of a task."
Ergo: that bone being used to smash the skull of the tapir - about 17 minutes into "2001: A Space Odyssey" - is "tool".

It's for that reason I chase down patent numbers on can openers, jar wrenches, and corkscrews. Some of the stuff I've sent to datamp.org looked questionable to me when I hit the "send" button, but then found that one of the stewards got it posted to the site.
So... you just never know.
I would call it "tool".
On that note, I just sent something in that I did NOT think was appropriate for datamp.org, but possibly VintageMachinery.org, and he said he's going to post it on both sites. (I can't remember what it was now.. only a couple days ago!)

As goofy as it might seem, I still send them in and defer to Jeff.
(Still have to send in the "Champion Spark Plug" "Plugometer" that @Stubby1743 posted a couple days ago, even though it's a British RD patent - I'll shoot it in anyway... odds are Jeff will find the equivalent Canadian or U.S. patent for it.)

Sorry for the thread drift, but I wanted to point out that I think the parameters datamp.org works within are far broader than what many of us here think they are. (example)
 
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Seriously now, you guys never had to clap erasers together after class or school? Am I the only one who has experienced this punishment privilege? Granted, this was a small Catholic school in a little coal town in the sticks, but I know someone out there knows what I am talking about. The sisters thought it was toil, and/or messy, but we loved it! The objective was removing all the hopefully an-du-septic chalk dust. They probably told us to hold our breath. We would smack them together, on a wall, against each other, etc, until no more dust came out. Meanwhile, it went everywhere. Fun times! :)
Of course! and yep, punishment detail (weren't all school chores?)

you just got me going with the clapping them together, with 2 people add...

Also, Nuns: black habits. Do you think they were going to get all that chalk dust on themselves? when that can be going :twak: and sending you?
 
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"Tool" is "tool",...[ ]...I wanted to point out that I think the parameters datamp.org works within are far broader than what many of us here think they are.
I'm not arguing it's not a tool, 4.c. (We here at the Lugzsonian are pretty proud of our aesthetic and curation! :)) I'm just saying I don't know if it's a DATAMP tool. I am pretty familiar with their entire corpus, which can most conveniently be seen in Full Hierarchy mode. I know they have parallels and draftsman's rules under Rules, and compasses and protractors under Layout Tools, but they're with heavier dividers and trammels, etc. But hey, I'm not arguing or protesting. If you want to submit the DeZAI Nader (still cracking myself up on that one!), be my guest.
 
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^ I get it. I understand where you're comin' from (or at least I think I do), but again, Jeff and I have gone back and forth on this one several times, so now I just put it all together, hit "send", and if he posts it, he posts it, and if not, he doesn't. I have no kind of "investment" in it.
Where I KNOW for sure he's drawing the line is when you get into genres of tools and machinery that are really far outside the scope of "mechanic" or "tool": meat grinders, apple parers, washing machines. (Notwithstanding the Goodell Company of Antrim, New Hampshire having no fewer than 18 different patents for apple parers.)
So... while I dive into these rabbit holes, dig up all the details, and think I've got it figured out, there's no guarantee it's going to end up posted at either datamp.org OR VintageMachinery.org.
But again, I try not to put any huge investment into it - I'm not emotionally attached to any of it - so whether or not Jeff puts it up or not is entirely up to him. That said, I've found him to be far more open minded (in respect to adding stuff) than I would have ever imagined five or six years ago.

So I gotta ask: did you or @RTM come up with the patent number yet? 🤡
 

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Ok, just wandering thru this topic a bit, humor the train of thought typing

So... did you ferret out the patent number?
Three different companies?
J.P. Dart
O.D. Patent
C.W. Keenan

Seriously now, you guys never had to clap erasers together after class or school
First random find, tying two disparate topics from this thread together

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OK, but seriously

No patent information found with C.W. Keenan or Dart as an applicant or inventor in the 1910-35 range.

Digging into the 1929 O.D. Patents address at 117 Liberty street, was a relatively new building at the time, built inJan 15, 1927

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Which will take you to this thread, just a random post. Cuz it always comes back to GJ.
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Looks like there was a variety of tenants in the building, engineers, tax attorneys, sales engineers. Wonder if the owner tried to be an early incubator?

Googling "o d patents" lists them only once, as Lugz noted above as an exhibit hall. Lots of weird line break, scanning, or abbreviations show up. But once you add "117 liberty", the list gets real short (or google ignores your quotation marks)

Finally, into brute force mode

Using this search at USPTO advanced searching, ranging from 1935 down to 1921 in clumps. Forgot that drafting can refer to fireplaces, boats, and industrial drawings. Similar search for Drawing was a bad idea.

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Checking for celloid from 1910 to 1935 also drew a blank. More later.
 
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I'm having one of those wistfully weird mindfully synchronous days.

Dropping the 3rd Person schtick, although it involves the Acquisitions Dept as much as the Curator, I'll start this long shaggy dog tale with these photos of a handsome, leather-clad Dietzgen hand-cranker...

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...with a very nice 100-foot blackface steel tape inside...

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..that I found on January 1st, 2021!

It was part of a flea market haul that grabbed 'First Find of the Year' honors in the (doing math on his fingers in public...) 10th Annual Garage Sale thread.

Why am I posting it now? Because I apparently never posted it anywhere else before. I used the Search function on Username Already In Use's 'Tape Measures' thread, then 'This forum', and finally 'Everywhere' - where it turned up in the 2021 GS thread. I went to my 2021 folder of photos and, sure enough, there it was.

But what the heck made me think of it now you may be wondering?

Good question!

If you're still with me, that's where the story gets a little weird.

Earlier this morning, in a thread called 'Prices of vegetables at farmers markets' up in the Free Parking forum, I posted a reply, linked here, that was probably a little too dark and philosophical for GJ, where I referred to a 2008 dystopian novel called World Made By Hand in which modern life as we know it had been reduced back to an agrarian- and craftsmen-based barter society.

About an hour later I went for a daily exercise walk. I was coming up to a house with its long driveway being re-done. The house is one of the older houses on this thoroughfare, a coastal evacuation route between town and the beaches, that, much like mine, has not yet been demolished and replaced with a McVictorian Replica. It's in a state of disrepair. But the owners, who I have never met, have bees, because they have had a little sign out front for a few years stating, 'LOCAL HONEY FOR SALE. OUR BEES LIVE HERE.'

As I was walking past, there was a young-ish guy with an armful of tats in grimy jeans on his knee holding a Stanley 25' yellow carpenter's tape to a stake in the ground, and a young-ish woman with white hair, also with an armful of tats, also wearing grimy jeans, a toolbelt, and big onyx black disks of the type I associate with African tribal rituals in her earlobes, struggling with the other end of it, the tape stuck, kinking, or whatever, and I heard her say, "You never take good care of your tools."

I heard him say, not un-kindly, "Bla bla bla." Literally. As if they had been through this routine before.

I smirked, thinking to myself, 'that's not really the proper tool for that job, anyway,' but, minding my own business, and not wanting to stare, I continued on my walk. I couldn't get it out of my mind, though. As I completed my usual circuit, I started to think about all my vintage 100-footers collecting dust, the young beekeeping couple and their driveway, and the fact that I had no honey in my evening tea last night!

By the time I got home, my mind was made up. I went down the basement, grabbed the Dietzgen, jumped in my truck, drove back to their place, double-parked - not planning to say too long, put on the 4 ways, and hopped out.

"You're probably gonna think this is kooky," I say as I approach.

Ten minutes later, after a very pleasant, charming conversation, in which I learned that they don't own the house or the bees, she works for the owners spinning the honey and her husband is trying to start his own general Mr. Fix It type business, and they learned that I was a vintage tools hound willing to part with an antique if they promised to take care of it and that their last name meant "scrap" in the native tongue of Eugene Dietzgen, I walked away carrying this jar of honey! :)

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they learned that I was a vintage tools hound willing to part with an antique if they promised to take care of it
I love seeing good tools passed on like that. I've given a few away to willing victims in the past, sold a few others for token money when they came looking for an item.
 

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Fast forward to Act II where Lugz has acquired the property and we now have "The Apiary at the Lugzonian" - just so he can have honey in his tea. ;)
 
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I love seeing good tools passed on like that.
Yeah, and honestly, it's my self-gratifying 'good deed for the day' (remember when that was a thing?! :)), too!

The funny thing about the passing on that I did not tell - guess who took the tape measure out of my hand when I held it out?! :ROFLMAO:

Yup.

"I'll be taking that," she said, admiring the supple leather, both of them smiling.
Fast forward to Act II where Lugz has acquired the property and we now have "The Apiary at the Lugzonian" - just so he can have honey in his tea.
Hmmm. :unsure: That's not a bad idea. I have to admit I was thinking smaller, wondering how many tools Wes (he) and Amanda (she) need and how long it'll be before I ever have to buy a jar of honey again! :)
 
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The Acquisitions Dept came home with this 1902 edition of Pierce's Memorandum and Account Book "designed for Farmers, Mechanics and All People."

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Regulars will know of our fondness for the wit and wisdom in these types of booklets and may remember seeing our copy of The Ready Reckoner, published in 1887, linked here, a sort of early calculator (quantity and other conversion tables) for farmers, buyers, traders, general store owners, longshoremen, and the like. This one is decidedly more commercial and mercantile in nature, with every other page dispensing advice on all kinds of common ailments, along with advertisements for medicines and devices.

The Curator is not sure if this is the same "Pierce" as the famous William Pierce who published what is considered to be the first of these kinds of publications here in Colonial America, an almanac, An Almanac Calculated for New England, to be exact in title, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1639. But we think not. A slew of almanacs (including Ben Franklin's popular and famous Poor Richard's version (publish 1732 to 1757)) would follow. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were known to record their daily activities in their copies of the Virginia Almanac, which may have prompted the types of books we just found. This one is not so old and probably not rare, although these types of booklets can fetch four and even five figures with Antiquarian groups when they are.

An unused 1901 version has been uploaded to IA, linked here, if anyone wants to page through it.

We're just happy that whoever faithfully logged his workdays with this one, earning between $.75 and $1.50 per day, $2.00 during harvest...

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...was given Christmas Day off. :)

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But not new years!
I saw that. Brutal! :)
Hey, I still use books like that. Much more convenient than trying to note things down in a smart 'phone!
Oh, heck yes, J.! (And I am glad we have a real "Farmer" instead of a pretend "Mechanic" to attest!) I prefer mine a little bigger, though. Such as US federal government engineering notebooks. Just in case my grey hair, unassuming tone, but incisive, authoritative, subject matter expertise don't announce my age and experience in meetings, the large, brown, old-fashioned notebooks on the left are sure to do the trick. I like to have fun with the junior engineers, analysts, and sometimes the senior directors by calling the smaller green style on the right my "Eye Pads", for when I am traveling light. :)

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The "you" in this blurb, posted elsewhere on GJ on an old good thread on the topic of journaling (updated for accuracy, and with some emboldening for emphasis), is not you, but it might as well be... :)
I have dozens of them going back nearly 30 35 years, work (class and unclass environments) and home for all the reasons you cited, especially tables (nothing is more powerful than an XY matrix for organizing the world) and also great for checklists. I would not survive without an engineering notebook in my presence, and I guard mine like money. My whole life is in there. But I suspect they're too big for the OP. The green ones, also govt supply, are a nice handier size, but not graphed, unfortunately.
Some things change - and should. Some things never change and shouldn't. With apologies to Ogden Nash, "Progress is fine,..." except when it's not.

(If you'll indulge me going personal, I used to reaffirm the mnemonic virtues of notetaking, by hand, with a pencil, a connection which cannot be perfectly replicated by any device, not even a stylus, that my children all learned in school, before the onslaught of technology, and it wore off on my eldest son, the good doctor and light colonel. The other four are hopeless gadgeteers. He's a dedicated notebooker. They're all over his house and when I see him noodling I can't help but smile.)
 
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I used to reaffirm the mnemonic virtues of notetaking, by hand, with a pencil, a connection which cannot be perfectly replicated by any device, not even a stylus,
I'm in the same boat. If I write it down, normally with a fountain pen, I will remember it. If I type it, I lose the thread of the meeting, and can't remember it. I am the senior member of one meeting, with 7 laptops open around the table, mine open with a notepad beside it. I use perforated pads, so I can segregate by topic, into manila folders, instead of carrying 6 notebooks.
 
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