The Milwaukee addiction thread! :)
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PelicanPines
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I truly want to know your results. I have a few of the impacts in your list.
DFB
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Totally curious myself how the 3/8" M12 FUEL 2454 performs with a 6.0 battery 
2manytools
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I truly want to know your results. I have a few of the impacts in your list.
I don't. It may result in me thinking I need another tool.
kctyphoon
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Its Tuesday.. T minus 4 days and counting...
Odd-job
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Not sure if this belongs in the ryobi thread or Milwaukee thread but i was able to get a Surebonder battery converter to work on a Ryobi devour cordless sweeper. I can put Milwaukee stickers on it if makes everyone here feel better.
Took some modification with the heat gun to melt the plastic a little. The issue is the surebonder has the Milwaukee battery stick down where it interferes with the housing a little such that you can’t seat the surebonder. Maybe surebonder could make their battery converter more compact or TTI could make Ryobi tools compatible with Milwaukee for that matter.
One of the few power tools a 2 year old can use without fear of amputation or long term hearing loss. I suppose trying to sweep up brake dust could lead to lung cancer so don’t let your 2 year old do that.
Took some modification with the heat gun to melt the plastic a little. The issue is the surebonder has the Milwaukee battery stick down where it interferes with the housing a little such that you can’t seat the surebonder. Maybe surebonder could make their battery converter more compact or TTI could make Ryobi tools compatible with Milwaukee for that matter.
One of the few power tools a 2 year old can use without fear of amputation or long term hearing loss. I suppose trying to sweep up brake dust could lead to lung cancer so don’t let your 2 year old do that.
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M12 Fuel 3/8 Impact Wrench Driver - Model 2454 - XC 6.0 Battery
M12 Fuel 1/4 Stubby Impact Driver - Model 2552 - XC 6.0 Battery
M12 Fuel 3/8 Stubby Impact Driver - Model 2554 - XC 6.0 Battery
M12 Fuel 1/2 Stubby Impact Driver - Model 2555 - CP 3.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 1/4 Hex Impact Driver One Key - Model 2757 - HO 6.0 Battery
M18 Fuel Surge 1/4 Hex Impact Driver - Model 2760 - HO 6.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 3/8 Compact Impact Driver V2 One Key - Model 2758 - XC 5.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 1/2 High Torque Impact Driver V2 One Key - Model 2863 - HD 9.0 Battery & CP 2.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 1/2 Mid Torque Impact Driver - Model 2861 - HO 6.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 3/8 Mid Torque Impact Driver - Model 2852 - XC 5.0 Battery
Changed over one car from snows to all seasons and this car was the perfect test. It has 3 locking lug bolts and 2 normal 17mm bolts on each wheel, since I divided a locking set between 2 cars. That way if needed I can test without the locking key, as its like a 3" extension. Bolts were torqued to 95 ft lbs about 3 months ago.
Easy ones, my HT is the One Key version of the 2767 Gen 2, M18 2863 HT 1/2, M18 MT 2852 3/8 & 2861 1/2 all easily took off the bolts and I only used them all on medium. I even put a 2.0 on the HT and on medium it took of the bolt just as easily. I wanted to do that test as my friend had a 2.0 on a 2663 regular HT 1/2 impact and it would not remove his lugs. In all the 1/2 tests I used my fancy 4-5" lug sockets with the 3" key, so theres a lot of possible torque loss and yet it was easy peasy.
Failures, even with a HO 6.0 the 2760 Surge would not remove a bolt LOLOL. I used the Milwaukee hex to 3/8 adapter and 2" deep socket. I didnt expect it to but what the hell why not try. I thought I was going to break the Surge, would pull the trigger and it would impact for 1 second and then shut down, I persisted and did this slowly like 10+ times to see if it would break it loose, no luck and my Surge might be broken oops. The M12 Stubby 2552 1/4 impact also would not remove a bolt, I used a 1/4-3/8 adapter and 2" deep socket. I thought it would work but it just couldnt manage it even with an XC 6.0.
Surprises, the M18 Fuel Gen2 1/4 Hex One Key Hex Impact 2757 with a HO 6.0 removed a lug bolt! I used the Milwaukee hex to 3/8 adapter and 2" deep socket. I had tested this years ago and dont think people really believed me it works, but it does. The only other surprise was that the M12 Fuel Gen 1 3/8 Impact 2454 with a XC 6.0 battery really struggled. With a socket and the lock key it would not remove a bolt, just using a socket it barely could get a bolt off. Long ago when I had much less impacts, I thought it used to work more often.
Predictiable, M18 Fuel Gen2 3/8 Impact One Key 2758 (2754 is non one key) with XC 5.0 battery. With a 2" deep socket and the 3" key it easily reomved a lug bolt on high, I thought it would struggle and it did not. Both the M12 Fuel 3/8 Stubby 2554 & 1/2 Stubby 2555 Impacts could not remove a lug bolt with the 4-5" lug sockets and 3" key, which I kind of guessed would happen. They both could remove the bolt with just a 2" deep socket and the 3" key, but still struggled. Using just a 2" socket was much easier and surprisingly matched the performance of the M18 3/8 2754 impact where it was using a 2" deep socket and the 3" key. Seems like the M12 stubbies are best with only a socket and no extensions & such. I did put an XC 6.0 on the 3/8 and a compact 3.0 on the 1/2, there was a small difference. In the special lug socket plus 3" key test, the 3/8 with the 6.0 almost got it, the 1/2 with the compact 3.0 stood no chance. I would say maybe 10%+ power difference.
My future lug nut use is going to be M18 MT 1/2 with HO 6.0 for removal and M12 Stubby 1/2 with compact 3.0 for install. The M12 is so easy and light to use with a compact battery.
M12 Fuel 1/4 Stubby Impact Driver - Model 2552 - XC 6.0 Battery
M12 Fuel 3/8 Stubby Impact Driver - Model 2554 - XC 6.0 Battery
M12 Fuel 1/2 Stubby Impact Driver - Model 2555 - CP 3.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 1/4 Hex Impact Driver One Key - Model 2757 - HO 6.0 Battery
M18 Fuel Surge 1/4 Hex Impact Driver - Model 2760 - HO 6.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 3/8 Compact Impact Driver V2 One Key - Model 2758 - XC 5.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 1/2 High Torque Impact Driver V2 One Key - Model 2863 - HD 9.0 Battery & CP 2.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 1/2 Mid Torque Impact Driver - Model 2861 - HO 6.0 Battery
M18 Fuel 3/8 Mid Torque Impact Driver - Model 2852 - XC 5.0 Battery
Changed over one car from snows to all seasons and this car was the perfect test. It has 3 locking lug bolts and 2 normal 17mm bolts on each wheel, since I divided a locking set between 2 cars. That way if needed I can test without the locking key, as its like a 3" extension. Bolts were torqued to 95 ft lbs about 3 months ago.
Easy ones, my HT is the One Key version of the 2767 Gen 2, M18 2863 HT 1/2, M18 MT 2852 3/8 & 2861 1/2 all easily took off the bolts and I only used them all on medium. I even put a 2.0 on the HT and on medium it took of the bolt just as easily. I wanted to do that test as my friend had a 2.0 on a 2663 regular HT 1/2 impact and it would not remove his lugs. In all the 1/2 tests I used my fancy 4-5" lug sockets with the 3" key, so theres a lot of possible torque loss and yet it was easy peasy.
Failures, even with a HO 6.0 the 2760 Surge would not remove a bolt LOLOL. I used the Milwaukee hex to 3/8 adapter and 2" deep socket. I didnt expect it to but what the hell why not try. I thought I was going to break the Surge, would pull the trigger and it would impact for 1 second and then shut down, I persisted and did this slowly like 10+ times to see if it would break it loose, no luck and my Surge might be broken oops. The M12 Stubby 2552 1/4 impact also would not remove a bolt, I used a 1/4-3/8 adapter and 2" deep socket. I thought it would work but it just couldnt manage it even with an XC 6.0.
Surprises, the M18 Fuel Gen2 1/4 Hex One Key Hex Impact 2757 with a HO 6.0 removed a lug bolt! I used the Milwaukee hex to 3/8 adapter and 2" deep socket. I had tested this years ago and dont think people really believed me it works, but it does. The only other surprise was that the M12 Fuel Gen 1 3/8 Impact 2454 with a XC 6.0 battery really struggled. With a socket and the lock key it would not remove a bolt, just using a socket it barely could get a bolt off. Long ago when I had much less impacts, I thought it used to work more often.
Predictiable, M18 Fuel Gen2 3/8 Impact One Key 2758 (2754 is non one key) with XC 5.0 battery. With a 2" deep socket and the 3" key it easily reomved a lug bolt on high, I thought it would struggle and it did not. Both the M12 Fuel 3/8 Stubby 2554 & 1/2 Stubby 2555 Impacts could not remove a lug bolt with the 4-5" lug sockets and 3" key, which I kind of guessed would happen. They both could remove the bolt with just a 2" deep socket and the 3" key, but still struggled. Using just a 2" socket was much easier and surprisingly matched the performance of the M18 3/8 2754 impact where it was using a 2" deep socket and the 3" key. Seems like the M12 stubbies are best with only a socket and no extensions & such. I did put an XC 6.0 on the 3/8 and a compact 3.0 on the 1/2, there was a small difference. In the special lug socket plus 3" key test, the 3/8 with the 6.0 almost got it, the 1/2 with the compact 3.0 stood no chance. I would say maybe 10%+ power difference.
My future lug nut use is going to be M18 MT 1/2 with HO 6.0 for removal and M12 Stubby 1/2 with compact 3.0 for install. The M12 is so easy and light to use with a compact battery.
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DFB
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Well thanks for sharing those results.
None of it is too surprising to me
Wouldn't have expect the 1/4" to do it at all
or the Surge
And that the old 2454 had reasonably difficult time at 95 ft lbs to be fair it is only max rated for only 117ft lbs as opposed to the stubbies which are rated more double the breakaway rating. I have tested mine with a torque wrench and has removed up over 100 ftlbs using a standard 3/8" drive 13/16" deepwell impact. Though it had to hammer at it.
Quite interesting about the stubbies.
And really the socket choices most likely had a lot to do with all.
1/4 hex M18 though less ft lbs isn't too far off from the 3/8 sq anvil tool and have seen surprising results before using them on lugs almost wonder if by using the small extension shank it helps increase the impact momentum?
Mid torque should do 95 ftlbs no surprises
As for the high torque...yawn
None of it is too surprising to me
Wouldn't have expect the 1/4" to do it at all
or the Surge
And that the old 2454 had reasonably difficult time at 95 ft lbs to be fair it is only max rated for only 117ft lbs as opposed to the stubbies which are rated more double the breakaway rating. I have tested mine with a torque wrench and has removed up over 100 ftlbs using a standard 3/8" drive 13/16" deepwell impact. Though it had to hammer at it.
Quite interesting about the stubbies.
And really the socket choices most likely had a lot to do with all.
1/4 hex M18 though less ft lbs isn't too far off from the 3/8 sq anvil tool and have seen surprising results before using them on lugs almost wonder if by using the small extension shank it helps increase the impact momentum?
Mid torque should do 95 ftlbs no surprises
As for the high torque...yawn
2manytools
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You only couldn't post it here if Milwaukee made their own version
There are several manufacturers, as well as people on their own, that make Ryobi -> Milwaukee adapters. While I prefer the Surebonder because it is made by a known company, there are other options. A couple of my Ryobi tools can not be used with adapter because of that hump as well (and any heat gunning isn't an option). Here is one adapter. Here is another adapter that claims Milwaukee & Dewalt to Ryobi.
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2manytools
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I'm not surprised at the Gen2 Fuel driver. The Gen3 easily has the power too, but get ready for shear adapters in the process. I think the issue with the Surge is the lack of peak torque to break the lug loose (I'm sure a Gen2 will take care of that
). I also have the Gen1 Fuel 3/8" and that never helped on my brake jobs, so no surprise there.My 3/8" stubby took off my lug nuts on my 4runner no problem, maybe another impact or 2 over a M18 model. Though, I too also noticed the stubbie's not breaking nuts free with an extension, but able to socket only ( I could replicate this on some M18 models as well). With a few more ft/lbs (+50?) the stubbies could be more of a replacement.
Odd-job
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You only couldn't post it here if Milwaukee made their own version
There are several manufacturers, as well as people on their own, that make Ryobi -> Milwaukee adapters. While I prefer the Surebonder because it is made by a known company, there are other options. A couple of my Ryobi tools can not be used with adapter because of that hump as well (and any heat gunning isn't an option). Here is one adapter. Here is another adapter that claims Milwaukee & Dewalt to Ryobi.
Thanks for sending. These definitely look more compact with a smaller footprint and might have allowed me to go easier with the heat gun. I guess inherently it is probably impossible to have a converter with the same exact footprint as a Ryobi battery.
DFB
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So whaddya "experts" think about this? 
Was burying home about 2 dozen 3 inch deck screws one right after another with the ol' 2653 Fuel impact driver tonight when it cut out on me several times, but started right back up in 20 secs or so...
Thinking maybe that it's just what it's designed to do though and tool was getting pretty hot, but don't rightly recall experiencing that before.
After that I impacted up and loosened several times over a 3/4" nut/bolt combo in the vise...no hestation, no cut out
Figured I consult some before considering sending it out
Was burying home about 2 dozen 3 inch deck screws one right after another with the ol' 2653 Fuel impact driver tonight when it cut out on me several times, but started right back up in 20 secs or so...
Thinking maybe that it's just what it's designed to do though and tool was getting pretty hot, but don't rightly recall experiencing that before.
After that I impacted up and loosened several times over a 3/4" nut/bolt combo in the vise...no hestation, no cut out
Figured I consult some before considering sending it out
Handyandy23
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I'm surprised even the 1/2" stubby would struggle with 95 ft lbs. It's rated for "250 ft lbs of breakaway torque". How can that be true? Seems across the board the torque numbers are exaggerated based on the results.
Not to say that's a Milwaukee specific issue, I'm sure it's the same for others. Just a little surprising to hear a 250 ft lb tool struggle with 95.
Not to say that's a Milwaukee specific issue, I'm sure it's the same for others. Just a little surprising to hear a 250 ft lb tool struggle with 95.
techieman33
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It was 95ft/lbs when it was torqued. That was 3 months ago though, and since then it's been exposed to water and salt and all kinds of ****. All that causes corrosion. It would have been interesting to use a torque wrench to see how much torque it took to loosen them.
Handyandy23
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True, it's impossible to say what the torque on each individual nut was at the time of the test. Would be good to test them on freshly torqued nuts to know for sure.
Still though, you're talking about a gun rated for like 250% of the original torque. I doubt a few months of corrosion could get anywhere near that value. My Astro Nano took the 140 ft lb lugs off my truck this weekend after a full Canadian winter without breaking a sweat.
DerekV
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Awesome man!
I just did a brake service on my car over the weekend and decided to try using my 2753 impact driver with a 2.0 battery for everything, just for fun. I could not believe how effortlessly it zipped off the lug bolts. I was expecting at least a little bit of a struggle but it was nearly as fast as my gen 1 high torque 2763, I’m not kidding. Maybe even faster haha. 92lb/ft, 10 bolts total (fronts only). It even took off the caliper carrier brackets...with barely any effort. This literally blew my mind. These things take an 18mm socket and are torqued to 96 lb/ft. They haven’t been off in well over 3 years and see lots of heat cycling and weather. Both lug bolts AND the caliper carrier bolts were something my 2755B 1/2” compact impact WRENCH I sold-off a couple years ago struggled on.
All this with a compact M18 2.0 battery. I’ve been itching to get the 2853 as it’s supposedly more powerful and definitely more compact, but damn the gen 2 impact DRIVER is a beast. I swear it hits harder than my old 2755B.
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DerekV
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Anyone see this in the latest Harbor Freight catalog?
Looks eerily familiar to the M18 right angle impacts haha. I’d be interested to see if that head would adapt to my RA impact driver...I know the tool is underpowered for 1/2 drive but I only have 1/2 impact sockets. Would be nice for the very tight spots where the 1/4 hex-1/2 socket adapter would be just too long. Can’t find the tool on their website, weird. I’ll check it out in store and report back on head fitment.
Side note: pretty crazy price if it includes the battery and charger...
Looks eerily familiar to the M18 right angle impacts haha. I’d be interested to see if that head would adapt to my RA impact driver...I know the tool is underpowered for 1/2 drive but I only have 1/2 impact sockets. Would be nice for the very tight spots where the 1/4 hex-1/2 socket adapter would be just too long. Can’t find the tool on their website, weird. I’ll check it out in store and report back on head fitment.
Side note: pretty crazy price if it includes the battery and charger...
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It failed with a 4-5" lug socket and 3" lock key.
Struggled with a 2" socket and 3" key.
Was much better with just the 2" socket.
The drop off with 5-7" total length seems a bit much but maybe not, it should be the realistic expectations. It's always tough to know the torque loss per inch of extension and socket length.
Struggled with a 2" socket and 3" key.
Was much better with just the 2" socket.
The drop off with 5-7" total length seems a bit much but maybe not, it should be the realistic expectations. It's always tough to know the torque loss per inch of extension and socket length.
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Shaners256
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With the 1/2" stubby, you only tested with a CP3.0 right? That could be a huge difference between CP and XC batteries.
The 3/8 stubby with a XC 6.0 acted the same way, failed - stuggled - easier in the 3 tests. Its functionally the same as the 1/2 stubby. The 1/2 stubby with the compact 3.0 was a minimal difference in power.
pioneer1
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Email I received from Milwaukee of the differences of the Concrete & Pesticide Switch Tank from my research of Chemical Sprayers. Just thought I would share since the website gives the same info for both, yet the Concrete sprayer cost more.
Hi Ed,
I checked with product management and was given the information below.
There are several differences between the units from both a performance and material perspective that lead to the Concrete Sprayer being a higher price. Please see details below and let me know if you have any questions.
• The Concrete Sprayer has a higher flow rate pump
o Concrete Sprayer: 0.14 – 0.82 GPM
o Pesticide Sprayer: 0.10 – 0.51 GPM
• The Concrete Sprayer uses more expensive materials for compatibility with harsh concrete chemicals
o Pump Body Material
Concrete Sprayer: PPS (Polyphenylene Sulfide)
Pesticide Sprayer: PA6 (Nylon)
o Seal Material
Concrete Sprayer: Viton
Pesticide Sprayer: Viton for Critical Seals and Nitrile for Other Seals
o Wand Material
Concrete Sprayer: SUS316 Stainless Steel
Pesticide Sprayer: SUS304 Stainless Steel
Hi Ed,
I checked with product management and was given the information below.
There are several differences between the units from both a performance and material perspective that lead to the Concrete Sprayer being a higher price. Please see details below and let me know if you have any questions.
• The Concrete Sprayer has a higher flow rate pump
o Concrete Sprayer: 0.14 – 0.82 GPM
o Pesticide Sprayer: 0.10 – 0.51 GPM
• The Concrete Sprayer uses more expensive materials for compatibility with harsh concrete chemicals
o Pump Body Material
Concrete Sprayer: PPS (Polyphenylene Sulfide)
Pesticide Sprayer: PA6 (Nylon)
o Seal Material
Concrete Sprayer: Viton
Pesticide Sprayer: Viton for Critical Seals and Nitrile for Other Seals
o Wand Material
Concrete Sprayer: SUS316 Stainless Steel
Pesticide Sprayer: SUS304 Stainless Steel
PelicanPines
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Protection circuitry kicked in... it's normal... it's why I own two of those... if I'm busy... I switch out and let one cool.So whaddya "experts" think about this?
Was burying home about 2 dozen 3 inch deck screws one right after another with the ol' 2653 Fuel impact driver tonight when it cut out on me several times, but started right back up in 20 secs or so...
Thinking maybe that it's just what it's designed to do though and tool was getting pretty hot, but don't rightly recall experiencing that before.
After that I impacted up and loosened several times over a 3/4" nut/bolt combo in the vise...no hestation, no cut out
Figured I consult some before considering sending it out
DFB
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Great info!
DFB
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Good to know...wasn't looking forward to sending out a 3rd tool. Just surprised me I guess as I usually only use this electronic mode 3 speed in the garage along with with socket adapters... love it for that. The M18 2657 2 speed brushed impact driver is what I mostly use for decking screws. Really like the #1 position on that one!
Hey Guys, got a question for you. I have a M12 fuel hammer drill. It is more than a few years old, think it is the first generation, bought it the same time I got the fuel impact. Last couple times I used it it has shut off when drilling, like it is over torquing but it is doing it too soon, if I have it in hammer mode it shuts off as soon as it hammers. Does this with any battery I put in it. It has maybe 10% of the use I have put the impact through. I am pretty sure it is out of warranty. Any idea which part is going bad? I would like to repair it myself.
Thanks
Thanks
2manytools
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Before saying it's out of warranty, you should check. Based on the serial #, you can see when the 5 year warranty started. The first two # indicate the year, then next two I believe are the week it was made. A lot of people are surprised to find their tools are still covered.
kctyphoon
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T- 3 days.
chickenfarmer
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DFB
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^^^
Probably a tool release none of us need nor can afford!
Probably a tool release none of us need nor can afford!
Need some help please. Thinking about an M18 blower. Can get a 2728 blower with a 5.0 battery and charger for about 135 or a bare 2724 for 149. Is the newer a bunch better? I’ve got a 9.0 and charger from the trimmer I could use but the extra 5.0 would be used on other stuff. Thanks. Ron
Bighead38
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Nps 2019 I’m guessing.
Shaners256
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That's in June. I believe it's the first week of June.
tonync
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Care to share were the 2728 is available at that price. I wants secon one for the backyard and could use another battery. I prefer the gen 1 because of the lock on switch.
Firefighter1406
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I have been wondering about this myself. I bought the small handheld blower that I use to blow as dust and stuff off the tools. However that second gen looks really nice, like the size compared to the gen 1. Does everybody like the second gen?
I had Gen1 and like everything I had to have the new version. I dislike Gen2 very much, the switch lock *****, your pants/shorts get caught in the rear suction all the time, and the handle is to small. Performance seems to be the same, balance isnt much different, weight isnt an issue.
For the life of me I dont know why Gen2 was released with more negatives and possibly no positives depending on your perspective.
For the life of me I dont know why Gen2 was released with more negatives and possibly no positives depending on your perspective.
I never used the gen 1, but the gen 2 works great for my yard. I use 9.0 and 5.0 batteries with it, probably 15 minutes on the 5.0 and 25 min on the 9.0.
2manytools
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I thought Gen2 had a little higher CFM, but hearing that it isn't really any better than the Gen1, I won't worry about upgrading so much. I actually have a 2nd Gen1 brand new in the box I scored for $.01 somewhere that I wanted to sell and upgrade, but think I will put it to use this year on a 2nd property (unless they release a backpack blower!!!)