mobiledynamics
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Does anyone know the release date on the Framer ?
The Milwaukee addiction thread! :)
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toddoky
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The release has evidently been pushed back to the first quarter of next year.
MikeF2316
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This is how I use mine too. Just a minute or two here and there. If you're using a grinder constantly, the inconvenience of a cord is not such a big deal.
For auto/home DIY, what would you guys recommend? The new M12 FUEL™ Installation Drill/Driver Kit or a M12 FUEL Hammer Drill and Impact Driver Combo Kit
I'm wondering if it will be annoying switching out attachments on the 4-in-1 tool.
I'm wondering if it will be annoying switching out attachments on the 4-in-1 tool.
Black300zx
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I've found the hammer drill/impact driver kit very useful. I've used the hammer drill to hang some shelving on our basement cinderblock walls with Tapcons and it handled a hole saw well enough to put in a new deadbolt in my garage door.
The 1/4" impact driver is incredibly useful for removing/reinstalling small M4 and M6 fasteners on my car, with power setting 1 being gently enough to put screws back into interior trim. I've also used it exclusively when driving screws or lags into studs. It really has some kick to it for a 12V driver.
The installation driver seems better geared towards assembly work in tight spaces. If you ever might need to drill concrete you'll be better off with the drill/driver kit. It's also nice having a drill bit chucked up in the drill with a bit chucked up in the driver for repetitive predrilling/installation work.
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The 4-1 install driver is not meant for any power, it only has 25 ft-lbs of torque versus about 110 ft-lbs for the Fuel hex impact. The install 4-1 is not a great household DIY tool unless all your doing is tightening cabinet hardware, building IKEA furniture, or drilling to hang pictures in drywall only.
So the 3.0 HO on a impact wrench would be better than a 5.0? Assuming the high torque was designed for a 5.0 XC, could it benefit power wise (not runtime) from a 6.0 or 8.0 HO? I thought that if the tool was designed for a certain amp rating, a bigger battery just lengthens run time but does not provide more power
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Ign
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Yep, and for as long as this is taking, Milwaukee better not get it wrong.
At this rate if it's anything less than stellar they'll be a laughing stock, and the nailers are already not that well regarded
Ign
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Not necessarily, although the new packs like the 6.0 and 8.0 are muddying the water.
But generally, if a tool has to dig deep - even for a second or two - a deeper well is better.
Every tool pulls varying max amps and every useage situation is different, but "for best results" more ah is not gonna hurt.
Larger batts also stay in the "sweet spot" much longer, so while something like a 5.0 might give "peak" performance briefly a, say, 8.0 might mean fewer battery swaps throughout the day.
I'm not advocating running around with a 12.0 on every tool, just saying it's not cut 'n dry. Despite claims like "fade free performance" ALL the high draw tools at least start to suffer around 2 bars. It can happen gradually enough and be subtle enough that many users don't notice, but it can be the difference between "Wow I can't believe it did that" to "Geez, this tool is kinda disappointing."
DFB
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I'll agree there and I'm waiting on it BIG TIME.
The NEW 18 has stellar reviews on plenty of other forums but not much info here.
I really do like my 16ga angle finish nailer and I've been using it daily. Its virtually flawless up against solid material. It makes soo many job so easy. I just did door stops Sunday for GF and always a bunch of other stuff at work . Everyone of the videos where some jackoff is bouncing it on board on table are meaningless though it will never set a fastener right...I've gone thru a box 2000 2/12" galvi's and partial box 1 1/2"
I would like the 18ga brad nailer for the option to pin down really short stuff like 3/4" brads on small projects at home but I have air and pneumatic are super cheap in comparison
jmhinkle
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All the HO batteries have 21700 cells and will supply more power to the tools when they demand it. 21700 can charge and discharge faster than 18650 cells is the reason why. Tools that draw hard like most of the saws will see the biggest benefit. Any fuel tool capable of harnessing the power will see a difference if it demands it. Real world tests show the 3HO (single row) performing comparably to the 5XC (double row) in initial performance, but it dies faster as expected.
Like I stated a few posts back though the new HO batteries are enormous compared to the XC size. For example, the 6HO is roughly the same in dimensions as the 9HD. They are awkwardly large on a drill, driver or pistol grip style tool. There is definitely a trade off to be made and your tool choice will dictate it.
danny_barkley
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I get confused over HO and HD?
jmhinkle
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HD was the labeling for the largest packs, originally the 9 then 12, at first. With the converison to 21700 cells, HO will be the naming for batteries with those cells going forward including the 12. I expect the HD naming to fade away, along with the 9.0 battery because of the HO series. In the meantime, the 9HD and older stock of the 12HD will still carry the HD name until newer models just stop having it.
danny_barkley
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Thanx!
That’s why I like using my impact with the 3.0 ho and just keep an extra with me as back up. Since I use my tools daily an ale y living with my tools in a way I think of it as a race car. Make it as fast and as lightest as possible that the job allows it to be but I have the bigger batteries on stand by in case I happen to need them. Another example is my 7 1/4 rear Handel cir saw. Most of the time I’m not cutting a ton at any given moment ( well for the most part that is) plus I’m in situations where I’m on a deck that’s half way built or on a ladder and using the 3.0 battery cuts the weight down a bunch and makes it super nice especially when my old saw was a 50 year anniversary edition skill that they claimed weight 25-27 pounds. Now if I find my self needing to do a ton of cuts I just throw in my 6.0 or my 9.0 ho and away I go. Typically after I already drained one of my 3.0. I have enough batteries to get me through the day and if I some how drain the 8 or so I have I can away grab one of the back ups we have on the site since most of my crew is running Milwaukee. But I fo notice a difference using the high outs over the non ho.
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I don’t find switching out the chicks annoying since it’s nice being able to carry them with me instead of the two drills. Now when I’m using my m12 I tend to grasp my installation driver Along with my fuel impact if I’m running a lot of screws in. Now if I’m doing a lot of med to bigger sized holes I grab either my fuel m12 or fuel m18 hammer drill or d add one times my m12 sds fuel for the Constance drilling.
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DFB
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Hows those USB lights you guys all bought working out still. I have the 2114 been using it at work lately and I'm amazed at the runtime and how well it holds a charge. Must have got a real good one 
cuz I remember reading some complaining about loosing charge over time with non use. To be honest I can't even recall the last time I fully charged it had to be early to mid summer and its still green when I checked it and I just plugged it in to be sure and went green instantly.
I hook the carabineer clip on one my front belt loops and it lights up real good a dark work space while I have tools in my hands. By being in front there is virtually no shadows as I'm not standing in the way of the light beam
cuz I remember reading some complaining about loosing charge over time with non use. To be honest I can't even recall the last time I fully charged it had to be early to mid summer and its still green when I checked it and I just plugged it in to be sure and went green instantly.I hook the carabineer clip on one my front belt loops and it lights up real good a dark work space while I have tools in my hands. By being in front there is virtually no shadows as I'm not standing in the way of the light beam
logixjock
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I recently bought a NON fuel M12 1/4" ratchet and am looking for a rubber boot for it. I can't seem to find one anywhere. Does anyone have a source for one?
jmhinkle
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They didn't make boots for the non fuel models did they?
Shaners256
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Actually, to make it a bit more confusing, HD is only referring to 3 rows of cells, so the 12.0 is actually an HO HD pack.
jmhinkle
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Picked up my Ace deal on the way home from work this morning. Already have my red/black Kaizen foam ready to make tool specific cutouts.
unknownroad
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So what are the thoughts on the 2457 non-fuel M12 ratchet- enough torque to be worth getting for a DIYer, or too weak (35 ft-lb) to bother with unless you have a specific task involving a lot of low-torque fasteners?
Part of a set on today's HD deal of the day- $99 for ratchet, battery, charger, bag, and screwdriver- cheaper than the bare tool price for the ratchet!
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauk...h-Battery-Charger-Tool-Bag-2401-21R/310446584
Part of a set on today's HD deal of the day- $99 for ratchet, battery, charger, bag, and screwdriver- cheaper than the bare tool price for the ratchet!
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauk...h-Battery-Charger-Tool-Bag-2401-21R/310446584
Somewhere, way back, someone posted a pix showing that the Snap-on rubber boot fit the head of the non-fuel Milwaukee ratchet perfectly, but I'm not sure exactly where that post is. You may want to check the Snap-On website and order one from them. Also, I don't think the boot from SO was pretty inexpensive. Hope that helps somewhat.
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I believe I got mine from Snap On, but it was for 3/8"
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I've searched but can't seem to find anything - does anyone know of any good hard case solutions for the M18 Super Sawzall? I have a decent M18 collection and have managed to pretty much only buy tools that have hard cases (except things like my various lights, transfer pump, radio, etc.) except for the Super Sawzall and it's driving me off the wall to have it just hanging around. The old Sawzalls had nice big cases (a little overly bulky, truthfully) with room for a charger, a few batteries, and some blades, and so I was hoping someone has a solution to store the latest and greatest Super Sawzall.
danny_barkley
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My you are right, that is confusing!
Can you explain what you mean here to us previously Yellow folks who are doing a conversion?
Shaners256
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My you are right, that is confusing!
Can you explain what you mean here to us previously Yellow folks who are doing a conversion?
There are three main sizes of batteries.
1 row of cells - slim pack = CP pack
2 rows of cells - "normal" pack = XC pack
3 rows of cells - 9.0 and 12.0 = HD pack
There are now 4 different HO (High output packs)
1 CP 3.0 pack
1 XC 6.0 pack
1 XC 8.0 pack
1 HD 12.0 pack
Here's a much more detailed explanation https://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-m18-cordless-power-tool-battery-sizes-explained/
danny_barkley
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Thanx! This post and that Tool guy article are helping a lot.
The snap on boot fits both the non fuel 3/8 & 1/4 ratchets. Only the Fuel ratchets have some size dimensional differences.
techieman33
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That’s a pretty good deal. A lot of people prefer the smaller head size on the regular model. IMO is has plenty of torque. And if it doesn’t it works like a regular ratchet so you can break the bolt free manually and then let it spin the bolt out.
Ign
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Regarding ratchet boots... Yeah the board has a search function.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7095387&postcount=13141
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7095387&postcount=13141
unknownroad, I'll echo techieman's thoughts. I have the non-fuel and like it because the head is compact. I don't need a lot of torque for a cordless ratchet since I'm using the motor for running nuts and bolts, not loosening and tightening as he mentioned. I did add an extended reach fuel which has a much larger head and I'll tell you I won't be getting rid of the non-fuel anytime soon. If it broke tomorrow I would replace it.
Lisamelting
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The 2457 has become my most used tool. The small size allows the tool to fit into some pretty tight spots. There has never been a time where I wished it was larger or more powerful.
Crabman
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Unknown,
The 2457 is a great tool, like Lisamelting, my most used cordless tool.
As techieman said, the torque is ok, you can always hand torque.
I use the driver all the time too.
I think that is a great deal.
Good luck finding what works.
Bruce
The 2457 is a great tool, like Lisamelting, my most used cordless tool.
As techieman said, the torque is ok, you can always hand torque.
I use the driver all the time too.
I think that is a great deal.
Good luck finding what works.
Bruce
DFB
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Handy tool to have, and its always done what I needed. For general work using it as locked ratchet to first break a fastener loose then quickly spin it off
And I do have one of each Fuel and non fuel both in 3/8".
Yup that's a great deal don't hesitate
kctyphoon
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Just ordered the new Milwaukee lineman and angled diagonal pliers, with the dipped handles.. might bring em to work to beat on for a bit...
DFB
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I read on a FB Milwaukee group page that new MX power generator is going to be $4500 as 2 battery kit 
This **** is getting crazy lookie what Makidoo come up with a battery backpack
Shoot you could run deck screws all day and never stop
Goofy leaf blower guys could do the whole neighborhood
This **** is getting crazy lookie what Makidoo come up with a battery backpack
Shoot you could run deck screws all day and never stop
Goofy leaf blower guys could do the whole neighborhood
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theoldwizard1
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Depending on what kind of automotive work you are doing NEITHER may be acceptable. They are not going to do lug nuts !
Personally, I would rather have 2 tools. Also, because I do a lot of small engine/light automotive work, I bought the first gen M12 3/8" impact and a 3/8" to 1/4" hex adapter. Works great for me.