The Milwaukee addiction thread! :)

[theoldwizard1]

All the HO batteries have 21700 cells and will supply more power to the tools when they demand it.

Can you back up that claim ?

On an M12 pack, they would have to shave off 6mm (about 1/4") from the inside width of the housing. I don't think they would have enough "meat" left in the plastic.

Also 21700 cells are typically > 4.0Ah

 

[dacan23]

He should of said "All the HO batteries have 21700 cells and will supply more power to SOME tools when they demand it."

No M12 pack has 21700 cells, only the M18 HO 3.0, 6.0, 8.0, 12.0

Can you back up that claim ?

On an M12 pack, they would have to shave off 6mm (about 1/4") from the inside width of the housing. I don't think they would have enough "meat" left in the plastic.

Also 21700 cells are typically > 4.0Ah

 

[thetable]

On an M12 pack, they would have to shave off 6mm (about 1/4") from the inside width of the housing. I don't think they would have enough "meat" left in the plastic.

Also 21700 cells are typically > 4.0Ah

They don't make any HO M12 packs.
LG and Samsung make 21700 cells at 3Ah.

 

[Tbird22]

Eyeing the m18 wet dry vacuum. Aside from run time (I don’t need so much), folks are overall happy with it?


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[jmhinkle]

Can you back up that claim ?

On an M12 pack, they would have to shave off 6mm (about 1/4") from the inside width of the housing. I don't think they would have enough "meat" left in the plastic.

Also 21700 cells are typically > 4.0Ah

Yes, Google milwaukee batteries. It's their claim and enough links have been posted for you to find it. If I typed anything wrong it would only be not specifying M18, but that's what the discussion was about.

 

[JimDon]

TBird,
Re: Mil. Vac. Love it. Wife loves it. I keep a 9ah batt. in it and a second one charged up for it. Gets about 20 minutes run time on one. So together, I have about 40 minutes run time. Goes on all jobs now unless I have a drywalling gig where I take a shop vac with a different filter just for the dust. Mil. Vac. is just great for those little clean up jobs around the house, garage, shop, basement, etc. where you drill some holes or drop some stuff that needs a quick clean up. Also great for keeping interior of the truck clean. Would buy again if it crapped out on me.
Bought my son-in-law one and he hardly ever uses it cause he won't invest in a bigger battery. With a regular 6 ah or whatever, it's run time is less. So it all depends on how you power it up. I also use it with a wand and floor tool to do a quick clean up of kitchen floors. Hold the vac in one hand and the wand in the other and voila, floor's done. Hope that helps somewhat,
JimDon

 

[jshillin]

Eyeing the m18 wet dry vacuum. Aside from run time (I don’t need so much), folks are overall happy with it?


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Yes, I really like mine. The only thing I ever hear anyone complain about on that vac is how loud it is. I don't think it's bad though and use it often.

 

[jmhinkle]

8 3/8" x 12 1/4" (the 2' side of the foam is 24 1/2") for the starter shape. Little rounding of the back corners only as the front slips under a lip. Trimmed out the bump-ins and we have the starter foam. Starting aligning the installation tool and attachments, but I need the long nose marker to mark the line better before cutting the tool shape out. The Sharpie I was using was too fine and digging into the foam.

 

[danny_barkley]

Which is better for Milwaukee Tool Deals

Black Friday/Xmas or Father's Day?

 

[Crabman]

Tbird,

Eyeing the m18 wet dry vacuum. Aside from run time (I don’t need so much), folks are overall happy with it?

I have one and use it all the time, very handy for cars, shop cleanup, etc.

Also have used it for some wet messes with success.

JimDon is right about needing a couple of batteries if you need longer run time.

Good luck.

Bruce

 

[danny_barkley]

I have the 2767 High TQ Impact and a 8 HO battery

I got this to break loose the crankbolt on my Toy LandCruiser which can be a PITA to get loose.

Since the sales are on now, I am wondering if there is any practical difference between the 8 ah HO and the 12 ah HO if you are only looking to break one bolt loose.

Will the 12 ah bust loose a single bolt that the 8 won't?

Last time I did this bolt I used a breaker bar with a 4-5 foot pipe on it. It may not be as tight now though. It was factory tight then.

 

[Kaervak]

I have the 2767 High TQ Impact and a 8 HO battery

I got this to break loose the crankbolt on my Toy LandCruiser which can be a PITA to get loose.

Since the sales are on now, I am wondering if there is any practical difference between the 8 ah HO and the 12 ah HO if you are only looking to break one bolt loose.

Will the 12 ah bust loose a single bolt that the 8 won't?

Last time I did this bolt I used a breaker bar with a 4-5 foot pipe on it. It may not be as tight now though. It was factory tight then.

The 12.0 should give a little boost in power as it has a third row of cells compared to the two rows in the 8.0 giving the 12.0 a bit more to pull from. However I don't think the boost in power will be anything huge like 25%. I'm in the same boat though, I have a 2767 High Torque with the 8.0 High Output and am thinking about buying the 12.0 with a free 8.0. I don't need the 12 and I really don't need to spend another $200 on batteries, but that deal is quite good.

 

[Kreeker]

The 4-1 install driver is not meant for any power, it only has 25 ft-lbs of torque versus about 110 ft-lbs for the Fuel hex impact. The install 4-1 is not a great household DIY tool unless all your doing is tightening cabinet hardware, building IKEA furniture, or drilling to hang pictures in drywall only.

I've found the hammer drill/impact driver kit very useful. I've used the hammer drill to hang some shelving on our basement cinderblock walls with Tapcons and it handled a hole saw well enough to put in a new deadbolt in my garage door.

The 1/4" impact driver is incredibly useful for removing/reinstalling small M4 and M6 fasteners on my car, with power setting 1 being gently enough to put screws back into interior trim. I've also used it exclusively when driving screws or lags into studs. It really has some kick to it for a 12V driver.

The installation driver seems better geared towards assembly work in tight spaces. If you ever might need to drill concrete you'll be better off with the drill/driver kit. It's also nice having a drill bit chucked up in the drill with a bit chucked up in the driver for repetitive predrilling/installation work.

I don’t find switching out the chicks annoying since it’s nice being able to carry them with me instead of the two drills. Now when I’m using my m12 I tend to grasp my installation driver Along with my fuel impact if I’m running a lot of screws in. Now if I’m doing a lot of med to bigger sized holes I grab either my fuel m12 or fuel m18 hammer drill or d add one times my m12 sds fuel for the Constance drilling.


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I've pretty much decided the 4-in-1 is not for me right now.

I'm wondering if the M12 Surge could work as an impact driver and drill for me right now.

I may be forcing these tools on myself, as I've gotten by fine with hand tools, but I really don't have a need for a dedicated drill. The only uses I can see for a drill right now are drilling a pilot hole into a beech wood table top or drilling out small stuck fastener. Talking with someone on another forum, it seems like the Surge would be fine for those minor jobs.

What I'd be using the Surge for is minor stuff like removing and installing a undertray on my car. This stuff is easily done with hand tools, but these tools will just make it easier and more enjoyable for me.

Do you guys agree? Or is there a different milwaukee I should consider?

Depending on what kind of automotive work you are doing NEITHER may be acceptable. They are not going to do lug nuts !

Personally, I would rather have 2 tools. Also, because I do a lot of small engine/light automotive work, I bought the first gen M12 3/8" impact and a 3/8" to 1/4" hex adapter. Works great for me.

For DIY automotive work, what do you think about a M12 Surge and a M12 3/8 or 1/2 Stubby impact?

I bought a M18 Mid Torque a few months and I'm considering returning it and picking up a Stubby. I have not used the mid torque even ONCE.

In the past, I've done suspension, brake and exhaust work on my car, evo 9, but I haven't had to do anything major in a few years. If the Stubby can take off my lugs (83 ft/lbs) and break exhaust bolts I will be happy. I live in NY and have spent hours getting off an exhaust bolt with hand tools, and would really like to avoid that

 

[danny_barkley]

The 12.0 should give a little boost in power as it has a third row of cells compared to the two rows in the 8.0 giving the 12.0 a bit more to pull from. However I don't think the boost in power will be anything huge like 25%. I'm in the same boat though, I have a 2767 High Torque with the 8.0 High Output and am thinking about buying the 12.0 with a free 8.0. I don't need the 12 and I really don't need to spend another $200 on batteries, but that deal is quite good.

That is exactly why I am asking. Realistically speaking, I shouldn't have an issue that the 8 can't address. But I won't know for a while. I guess I could get another piece of pipe instead...

 

[thetable]

I have the 2767 High TQ Impact and a 8 HO battery

I got this to break loose the crankbolt on my Toy LandCruiser which can be a PITA to get loose.

Since the sales are on now, I am wondering if there is any practical difference between the 8 ah HO and the 12 ah HO if you are only looking to break one bolt loose.

Will the 12 ah bust loose a single bolt that the 8 won't?

Last time I did this bolt I used a breaker bar with a 4-5 foot pipe on it. It may not be as tight now though. It was factory tight then.

Since the Milwaukee kit (2767-22) comes with the 5.0 XC battery, I don't think you're going to get anything extra from the 12.0, except a more stable platform to rest the impact on.

 

[takai]

Any better deals on the 2767 than the current HD deal of the day? 269 with 2x 5ah

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauk...ing-Kit-W-One-5-0Ah-Battery-2767-21/306180606

 

[MikeF2316]

That is exactly why I am asking. Realistically speaking, I shouldn't have an issue that the 8 can't address. But I won't know for a while. I guess I could get another piece of pipe instead...

I have the 2763 hi torque. I can't notice any difference in the power when I use a 1.5 Ah battery vs. a 9.0.

 

[MikeF2316]

I've pretty much decided the 4-in-1 is not for me right now.

I'm wondering if the M12 Surge could work as an impact driver and drill for me right now.

I may be forcing these tools on myself, as I've gotten by fine with hand tools, but I really don't have a need for a dedicated drill. The only uses I can see for a drill right now are drilling a pilot hole into a beech wood table top or drilling out small stuck fastener. Talking with someone on another forum, it seems like the Surge would be fine for those minor jobs.

What I'd be using the Surge for is minor stuff like removing and installing a undertray on my car. This stuff is easily done with hand tools, but these tools will just make it easier and more enjoyable for me.

Do you guys agree? Or is there a different milwaukee I should consider?




For DIY automotive work, what do you think about a M12 Surge and a M12 3/8 or 1/2 Stubby impact?

I bought a M18 Mid Torque a few months and I'm considering returning it and picking up a Stubby. I have not used the mid torque even ONCE.

In the past, I've done suspension, brake and exhaust work on my car, evo 9, but I haven't had to do anything major in a few years. If the Stubby can take off my lugs (83 ft/lbs) and break exhaust bolts I will be happy. I live in NY and have spent hours getting off an exhaust bolt with hand tools, and would really like to avoid that

If you can return the Mid Torque, do it. Since I bought my 3/8 M12 Stubby, I haven't touched the Mid Torque. I still need to use the big boy occasionally, but it's all Stubby now.

 

[DFB]

I have the 2763 hi torque. I can't notice any difference in the power when I use a 1.5 Ah battery vs. a 9.0.

I've run no load tests with my digital tachometer and buy using that instrument it will easily shows an increase in max tool speed (RPM) at the anvil with socket on which would also equate to more IPM by using a larger AH battery over a compact one, In my case a 4.0/5.0 XC vs a 1.5/2.0 compact.

The difference is easily around 100 rpm or better and probably not distinguishable to the ear by sound or to the eye in general.

Biggest gain by using an XC is the peak rpm over runtime, though both batteries will diminish in measured speed performance as the bars go down the smaller battery drops off that much faster simply because of less storage capacity.

Be very curious now to see how the any of new HO perform may under that same basic test. Currently for big batteries I only have one High Demand 9.0 I mainly use it for my waterpump and circ saw

 

[Black300zx]

What is everyone's thoughts on the M12 Rocket Light? How's the light dispersion and real-world runtime on battery power?

My local HD has a few with dented boxes on clearance for $105 (tool only)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAFegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0-ZtwA2Kdue1mVmE82ukNf

 

[DFB]

I've pretty much decided the 4-in-1 is not for me right now.

I'm wondering if the M12 Surge could work as an impact driver and drill for me right now.

I may be forcing these tools on myself, as I've gotten by fine with hand tools, but I really don't have a need for a dedicated drill. The only uses I can see for a drill right now are drilling a pilot hole into a beech wood table top or drilling out small stuck fastener. Talking with someone on another forum, it seems like the Surge would be fine for those minor jobs.

What I'd be using the Surge for is minor stuff like removing and installing a undertray on my car. This stuff is easily done with hand tools, but these tools will just make it easier and more enjoyable for me.

Do you guys agree? Or is there a different milwaukee I should consider?




For DIY automotive work, what do you think about a M12 Surge and a M12 3/8 or 1/2 Stubby impact?

I bought a M18 Mid Torque a few months and I'm considering returning it and picking up a Stubby. I have not used the mid torque even ONCE.

In the past, I've done suspension, brake and exhaust work on my car, evo 9, but I haven't had to do anything major in a few years. If the Stubby can take off my lugs (83 ft/lbs) and break exhaust bolts I will be happy. I live in NY and have spent hours getting off an exhaust bolt with hand tools, and would really like to avoid that

You should get the M12 Fuel combo kit for starter's it's almost always on special around the holidays and often has a bonus offer of a free tool or additional battery. Maybe even get a ratchet

The drill has a standard style jaw chuck, and expecting to just use 1/4" collet tool "Surge" or other impact model could severely limit bit choice unless your purposely seeking out 1/4" shanked accessories.

And the impact driver with 1/4" socket adapters will probably easily do 70-80% of your mechanical fastener disassembly

Stubby's are little performance beasts in the M12 series over the what was offered in the past, and generally are even better than M18 compacts, but nothing wrong with having Mid torque IMO. You already own it and its there for the really tough stuff vs just having just the stubby. I would not dump it unless you really want all M12 only.

In general Surge drivers as far as I know haven't really been shown to out perform a regular impact driver for nut and bolt disassembly though they shine when driving screw style fasteners in wood for both the steady hydraulic pulse and being somewhat quieter overall

 

[BroncoAZ]

What is everyone's thoughts on the M12 Rocket Light? How's the light dispersion and real-world runtime on battery power?

My local HD has a few with dented boxes on clearance for $105 (tool only)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAFegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0-ZtwA2Kdue1mVmE82ukNf

I like the M12 rocket light for its size and brightness, but I’ve never used a M18 version. The size of the M18 seemed excessive for my needs. I use it outdoors for washing my truck after dark, the throw is fine for seeing the entire side of the truck. Runtime on a 6.0 is plenty, but I’ve never run it more than about 3 hours.

I paid $149 with a free 6.0 battery in May.

 

[techieman33]

I've run no load tests with my digital tachometer and buy using that instrument it will easily shows an increase in max tool speed (RPM) at the anvil with socket on which would also equate to more IPM by using a larger AH battery over a compact one, In my case a 4.0/5.0 XC vs a 1.5/2.0 compact.

The difference is easily around 100 rpm or better and probably not distinguishable to the ear by sound or to the eye in general.

Biggest gain by using an XC is the peak rpm over runtime, though both batteries will diminish in measured speed performance as the bars go down the smaller battery drops off that much faster simply because of less storage capacity.

Be very curious now to see how the any of new HO perform may under that same basic test. Currently for big batteries I only have one High Demand 9.0 I mainly use it for my waterpump and circ saw

I really doubt there will be much if any improvement. The hight torque was designed before the HO batteries were even a possibility. I would think that a HO 6.0 would probably max it out power wise. Anything bigger is just adding more longevity.

 

[BroncoAZ]

Is the M12 2125-21 underhood light kit worth the $200 for a DIY guy? I have an outlet in the ceiling of my garage over my project truck, so I could make something corded work most of the time.

 

[danny_barkley]

I just received a Rapid Charger "New" off ebay.

It whines like a Mofo, gets over 150F on the top and bottom and smells like burning plastic!

It works. I watched a video describing some of these issues, but didn't see anything describing this much heat.

What do you folks think?

 

[Rusty67]

Is the M12 2125-21 underhood light kit worth the $200 for a DIY guy? I have an outlet in the ceiling of my garage over my project truck, so I could make something corded work most of the time.

I've only used mine a few times but it is great. It puts out a ton of light and can fit a rather large hood. The only issue I had with it was it was too big to latch onto my friend's S2000 hood because his hood was too narrow. Also you can take it right off the mount and use it hand held as a light or as a light saber if you really want to, Halloween was last month though. It would be way more useful to do that with if you were under the car on a lift and wanted to light the entire undercarriage.

I just received a Rapid Charger "New" off ebay.

It whines like a Mofo, gets over 140F on the top and bottom and smells like burning plastic!

It works. I watched a video describing some of these issues, but didn't see anything describing this much heat.

What do you folks think?

Check the date of manufacture on the data plate. If it is under warranty then open a case online and they will probably have you send it in. I had a quick charger die on me and it took Milwaukee less than 2 weeks to turn it around for me.

 

[pbon]

Is the M12 2125-21 underhood light kit worth the $200 for a DIY guy? I have an outlet in the ceiling of my garage over my project truck, so I could make something corded work most of the time.

It’s a nice light but not the one I reach for most. I often use a tower light — I have the M18, or one of the usb lights.

 

[Black300zx]

I like the M12 rocket light for its size and brightness, but I’ve never used a M18 version. The size of the M18 seemed excessive for my needs. I use it outdoors for washing my truck after dark, the throw is fine for seeing the entire side of the truck. Runtime on a 6.0 is plenty, but I’ve never run it more than about 3 hours.

I paid $149 with a free 6.0 battery in May.

Thanks! The same three were marked down to $120 a week ago and not a single one has sold, so given the deal you mention I'll sit on it for a week to see if they drop it further

 

[jmhinkle]

I just received a Rapid Charger "New" off ebay.

It whines like a Mofo, gets over 150F on the top and bottom and smells like burning plastic!

It works. I watched a video describing some of these issues, but didn't see anything describing this much heat.

What do you folks think?

That's exactly how the rapid charger operates. It's the only M18 charger I have. The smell dropped dramatically after the first use. I used it the first time in my office at work and was really worried about it. Still makes a lot of noise, but I haven't noticed the smell anymore.

 

[danny_barkley]

That's exactly how the rapid charger operates. It's the only M18 charger I have. The smell dropped dramatically after the first use. I used it the first time in my office at work and was really worried about it. Still makes a lot of noise, but I haven't noticed the smell anymore.

I think it is the HO batteries that give it some hell as well.

I noticed that the reguler charger also got really hot with the 8ah HO battery. So I guess all is ok. Sort of...

 

[Augster]

China V18 Tool to M18 Battery Adapters

Has anyone used one of the M18 to V18 Tool battery adapters that are available from numerous Chinese sources on eBay?

Although I've switched most of my tools to M18, I still like the compactness of my Hatchet Sawzall, which has not been reintroduced in M18 form. But I'm wary of the quality and durability of these adapters that seem to be only available from China through eBay so I would appreciate all feedback, good and bad, from those who've used these.

TIA!

 

[mc4life27]

I've pretty much decided the 4-in-1 is not for me right now.

I'm wondering if the M12 Surge could work as an impact driver and drill for me right now.

I may be forcing these tools on myself, as I've gotten by fine with hand tools, but I really don't have a need for a dedicated drill. The only uses I can see for a drill right now are drilling a pilot hole into a beech wood table top or drilling out small stuck fastener. Talking with someone on another forum, it seems like the Surge would be fine for those minor jobs.

What I'd be using the Surge for is minor stuff like removing and installing a undertray on my car. This stuff is easily done with hand tools, but these tools will just make it easier and more enjoyable for me.

Do you guys agree? Or is there a different milwaukee I should consider?




For DIY automotive work, what do you think about a M12 Surge and a M12 3/8 or 1/2 Stubby impact?

I bought a M18 Mid Torque a few months and I'm considering returning it and picking up a Stubby. I have not used the mid torque even ONCE.

In the past, I've done suspension, brake and exhaust work on my car, evo 9, but I haven't had to do anything major in a few years. If the Stubby can take off my lugs (83 ft/lbs) and break exhaust bolts I will be happy. I live in NY and have spent hours getting off an exhaust bolt with hand tools, and would really like to avoid that

For automotive get the stubby i have one and it’s awesome just wish I could use it more.


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[LeeG]

Re: The Milwaukee addiction thread! ve it in all the way.

I have had the 4 in 1 driver drill now for a few weeks, and I am really impressed. Just for fun, I used it to drive a 4” spax lag screw into a 6x6, and it had enough torque that I had to use two hands on it. It drove the lag in all the way. If I didn’t love the new Festool bit holder so much, I’d probably retire the CSX and use the Milwaukee exclusively.

 

[BreeStephany]

Re: China V18 Tool to M18 Battery Adapters

Has anyone used one of the M18 to V18 Tool battery adapters that are available from numerous Chinese sources on eBay?

TIA!

I haven't used those specifically, but do have a set of 3D printed adapters which I used to convert my dad's V18 combo kit and also to convert my old nicd right-angle drill and have been very happy with them. They are a little more expensive than the adapters from China, but are very solid, a little more compact and work great.

Just my two cents.

 

[thetable]

I just received a Rapid Charger "New" off ebay.

It whines like a Mofo, gets over 150F on the top and bottom and smells like burning plastic!

It works. I watched a video describing some of these issues, but didn't see anything describing this much heat.

What do you folks think?

The older Rapid Charger, not the new Super Charger? Mine has never gotten more than warm and no whine charging everything up to 9.0s 150 is alarming, as the cells themselves don't like to be that warm.

 

[Augster]

Re: China V18 Tool to M18 Battery Adapters

I haven't used those specifically, but do have a set of 3D printed adapters which I used to convert my dad's V18 combo kit and also to convert my old nicd right-angle drill and have been very happy with them. They are a little more expensive than the adapters from China, but are very solid, a little more compact and work great.

The only ones I can find in the US are off Amazon for $42, so it's almost double the price on average over the Chinese stuff. Also not a big fan of the typical fine wavy-lined 3D finishes, but that's just cosmetic and purely based on personal subjective tastes.

I may go for the Chinese adapters since it will only be used with the Hatchet, which shouldn't be too often; I have the big daddy corded Sawzall for heavy duty demo work when needed.

EDIT: Whoops, I only noticed your link after posting and eBay prices for 3D-printed adapters are a bit cheaper at $38. Still more coin than I want to invest for just one discontinued tool that doesn't get used very often.

 

[Bighead38]

What’s this hatchet you speak of? Pic?

 

[danny_barkley]

The older Rapid Charger, not the new Super Charger? Mine has never gotten more than warm and no whine charging everything up to 9.0s 150 is alarming, as the cells themselves don't like to be that warm.

Rapid Charger. Apparently these issues are a "thing" and are considered normal. Some get hot, some don't. seems screwey to me. The majority seem to have coil whine as well.

 

[thetable]

Rapid Charger. Apparently these issues are a "thing" and are considered normal. Some get hot, some don't. seems screwey to me. The majority seem to have coil whine as well.

I have two of them, and never seen either one exhibit your issues. If I did, then I'd bee on the phone with 1800sawdust.

 

[jmhinkle]

I have two of them, and never seen either one exhibit your issues. If I did, then I'd bee on the phone with 1800sawdust.

It actually is more the norm with the Rapid Charger than not. If yours doesn't make noise and get hot, I'd worry.