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[GeoBruin]

I am lusting over a right angle m12 die grinder even though I don’t need one and never owned or used one.



What kind of non-automotive, perhaps homeowner tasks can you use one for? Offhand my first idea is I occasionally scrub stainless steel pots and pans with green scotchbright pads and bar keepers friend.



Perhaps this die grinder with a mild abrasive pad on the end would save my forearms from an hour of torture.



I don’t own an orbital sander but just bought a m12 fuel multi tool. So the multi tool is my only sanding tool. Or my foredoomed rotary tool with 1/8” collet sanding drum Dremel end.



So maybe the die grinder would make a useful sanding/buffing tool?



Or am I buying **** I don’t need lol



Also am eying the 3” m22 cut off wheel for mini jobs that I’d otherwise use a hacksaw for

I too am lusting over it. I'm envisioning a lot of sanding/polishing tasks in addition to grinding metal, removing rust, more precise cuts with a cut-off wheel than an angle grinder, etc. A lot of things I currently use a dremel for but where the dremel is too small or the tooling is too small.

 

[Fix Until Broke]

I am lusting over a right angle m12 die grinder even though I don’t need one and never owned or used one.

What kind of non-automotive, perhaps homeowner tasks can you use one for? Offhand my first idea is I occasionally scrub stainless steel pots and pans with green scotchbright pads and bar keepers friend.

Perhaps this die grinder with a mild abrasive pad on the end would save my forearms from an hour of torture.

I don’t own an orbital sander but just bought a m12 fuel multi tool. So the multi tool is my only sanding tool. Or my foredoomed rotary tool with 1/8” collet sanding drum Dremel end.

So maybe the die grinder would make a useful sanding/buffing tool?

Or am I buying **** I don’t need lol

Also am eying the 3” m22 cut off wheel for mini jobs that I’d otherwise use a hacksaw for

For Pots/pans - the length of the right angle handle vs the depth of the working end will pose a problem for most typical kitchen pots/pans. Something very shallow or very large in diameter will work.

Cut a simple L shape out of cardboard to the dimensions of the unit and see if it will work for your application. I'm guessing the center of the pot will be the hardest area to get to.

I have used one and am generally underwhelmed with it. Anything more than the lightest load and it stops/overloads. I'm ok with the lower power, but it's not like a drill or any other cordless tool where you can lean into it and use all the power it has - the electrical "nanny" steps in way too early on these in my opinion.

 

[dalepres]

I am lusting over a right angle m12 die grinder even though I don’t need one and never owned or used one.

What kind of non-automotive, perhaps homeowner tasks can you use one for? Offhand my first idea is I occasionally scrub stainless steel pots and pans with green scotchbright pads and bar keepers friend.

Perhaps this die grinder with a mild abrasive pad on the end would save my forearms from an hour of torture.

I don’t own an orbital sander but just bought a m12 fuel multi tool. So the multi tool is my only sanding tool. Or my foredoomed rotary tool with 1/8” collet sanding drum Dremel end.

So maybe the die grinder would make a useful sanding/buffing tool?

Or am I buying **** I don’t need lol

Also am eying the 3” m22 cut off wheel for mini jobs that I’d otherwise use a hacksaw for

I love cooking in my stainless steel cookware and never need measures as extreme you're considering. In fact, I never find cleaning them by hand to be tortuous. A little soak in hot water, a light scrubbing with a scrubber to get the big stuff and, depending on what was cooked (beans are among the worst) a light rub with a very small amount of very wet Bar Keepers' Friend mix to remove the film left on the surface.

 

[Rusty67]

I am lusting over a right angle m12 die grinder even though I don’t need one and never owned or used one.

What kind of non-automotive, perhaps homeowner tasks can you use one for? Offhand my first idea is I occasionally scrub stainless steel pots and pans with green scotchbright pads and bar keepers friend.

Perhaps this die grinder with a mild abrasive pad on the end would save my forearms from an hour of torture.

I don’t own an orbital sander but just bought a m12 fuel multi tool. So the multi tool is my only sanding tool. Or my foredoomed rotary tool with 1/8” collet sanding drum Dremel end.

So maybe the die grinder would make a useful sanding/buffing tool?

Or am I buying **** I don’t need lol

Also am eying the 3” m22 cut off wheel for mini jobs that I’d otherwise use a hacksaw for

You can use the RA grinder to sand things.

 

[danny_barkley]

I believe the CP batteries are the original and the XC batteries came later but I'm not 100% sure on that. I'd avoid the CP1.5 battery if you can. The CP2.0 is alright and the CP3.0 is the best of the CP series and I can't really tell the difference in weight between any of the CP batteries. The XC batteries are all good and the XC6 does seem to be heavier than the XC3.0 and XC4.0.

For heated gear, the CP3.0 is the best battery. The CP batteries work fine in most tools for but stuff like the impact drives, the XC batteries are better.

On XC's the 3 and 4 amp weigh the same for all practical purposes.

6 amp weighs 2 ozs more than than the 4

 

[webscrounger]

My XC 5.0 weighs 1lb 9.5oz. with 10 cells. I guess that would that be the same as the XC 6.0. Don't have one to compare to. Just curious, same number of cells?

 

[oldschoolcraft]

On XC's the 3 and 4 amp weigh the same for all practical purposes.

6 amp weighs 2 ozs more than than the 4

Interesting so really the 3s make no practical sense compared to the 4s? Unless they were included in a package deal?

 

[danny_barkley]

Interesting so really the 3s make no practical sense compared to the 4s? Unless they were included in a package deal?

Exactly. The size of the 3, 4, and 6 are the same.

There is only 1 or 2 tenths of an oz diff on the 3 and 4.

2 oz's on the 4 to 6 amp.

I just got the 2,4,6 battery deal and had the 3's already.

Started handling them and noticed what you are referring to. Sizes are the same

4's or 6's are what you want. 2 oz difference

Broke out a scale and was amazed.

The most amazing thing is that the 4 and 6 are the same form factor but 2 oz difference. The 6 is awesome in the Stubby impact, makes a difference.

 

[dacan23]

The original non HO M18 XC 6.0 had major problems, failure rates above the gen 1 9.0 and performance was worse than the XC 5.0, so they quietly killed it.

For M12 stuff I have only CP 2.0 & 3.0, for XC I have only been 6.0 for years.

M18 now I am all in on HOs 8.0 being my fav. I think I have a few XC 5s left and couple CP 2.0.

The M18 XC6.0 is pretty rare for whatever reason. I've only seen one once.

 

[mc4life27]

Here is how I understand it -

M12

3 18650 cells -
CP1.5
CP2.0
CP3.0

6 18650 cells -
XC3.0
XC4.0
XC6.0

M18

5 18650 cells -
CP1.5
CP2.0

10 18650 cells -
XC3.0
XC4.0
XC5.0
XC6.0

15 18650 cells -
HD9.0

5 21700 cells -
CP3.0 (HO)

10 21700 cells -
XC6.0 (HO)
XC8.0 (HO)

15 21700 cells -
HD12.0 (HO)


The M18 XC6.0 is pretty rare for whatever reason. I've only seen one once.

I have a 6.0 xc right in front of me. Lol


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[mc4life27]

I think the 1.5ah and the XC 3.0 use the same cells, 2.0ah and XC 4.0 use the same cells and 3.0ah and XC 6.0 use the same cells. The XC just have a second set of 3 cells in parallel for extra run time.



I agree that one CP (2 or 3) and one XC 6.0 is all you need, depending on the amount of tools you have.

I have issues when charging my
Cp3.0 batteries. One I have to send back and the other I have to plug and re plug a few times to get it to charge


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[oldschoolcraft]

I have issues when charging my
Cp3.0 batteries. One I have to send back and the other I have to plug and re plug a few times to get it to charge


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I wonder if it’s best to avoid the CP3s?

Because maybe to make it 3 amp they had to cram the cells in there in a way that’s more prone to failure. And maybe better off with a mix of CP2 and XC6

So if you need the tool to be compact run the 2s, or if not run the 6s. Although the crammed cell theory would apply to xc6 as well, so...

 

[Tbird22]

My first red tool was the m12 hammer drill my friend sold to me used with 2 1.5 batts. That was over 5 years ago and those batteries still work. I got the fuel 1/4 and extended 3/8 ratchet. They work fine for that but the batt life is weak. I bought a stubby and got a 6.0. Had to send that in once already. I got 2 2.0 and 2 4.0s to replace my 1.5s and have a backup xc spare for the stubby. In retrospect, i should have gotten cp 3.0 and another 6.0. I feel the diff bet a 4.0 and 6.0 on the stubby. Probably psychological but whatever lol




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[oldschoolcraft]

I’m a minimalist by force due to having little storage space for tools but I decided to get into the M12 line last week and already my minimalist ideas are getting thrown out a but. I don’t own much power tools as a home gamer but some of these m12 tools look like they’d save me some time of manual effort s few times a year and are pretty small.

So now I’m looking at the following set of tools:

All m12 and all fuel when available.

Hammer drill
Impact driver
stubby impact wrench
Oscillating Multi tool
Inflator
Right angle die grinder

And strongly considering:
3” cut off wheel
Hackzall baby sawzall
Rotary tool (to pair with my corded foredom rotary tool)


Maybe if the price is right:
5/8” rotary hammer.

I guess I’m an addict. What am I missing that I should consider for the m12?

 

[Ign]

Why are there so many m12 batteries?

There’s flush CP in 1, 2 and 3 amp’

And there’s the larger XC in 3, 4 and 6 amp.

I get the impression the 3amp XC was original XC and they made 4 and 6 way later, so there’s no good reason to use 3s except they’re coming up in package deals.

As far as 4 versus 6, if I’m using a bigger battery wouldn’t 6 always be better? I can’t find weights of them to know if 6 is larger or heavier than 4.

Ignoring free battery combos, if you were starting over today which m12 batteries would name the most sense for an assortment?

It seems like the CP in either 2 or 3 amp plus the XC in 6 would be all you needed, one for flush use in low powered applications and one for big boy work.

Marketing. It'd be like still offering a vehicle with points, V-belts and carburetion (que the anti-EFI crowd)

I'm working to go only 3.0CP and 6.0XC - there's simply no reason for anything less when better exists. Cost is the only argument but Milwaukee has a hefty mark-up in the better batteries because they've worked so to position them as better in consumers' minds.

I'd argue if they stopped playing games and just made the latest of each size (CP & XC) they could certainly reduce costs and prices due to volume and simplification of the production line. At the very least right now they've got to stamp, label, package and organize the myriad of options. KISS

 

[Ign]

I wonder if it’s best to avoid the CP3s?

Because maybe to make it 3 amp they had to cram the cells in there in a way that’s more prone to failure. And maybe better off with a mix of CP2 and XC6

So if you need the tool to be compact run the 2s, or if not run the 6s. Although the crammed cell theory would apply to xc6 as well, so...

I had a couple CP 3.0 failures but they warrantied them, so I'm just not that concerned. I guess if you can only afford a couple batts and can't afford the downtime it's an issue. I've got so much redundancy it doesn't matter.

 

[1320]

I have a 6.0 xc right in front of me. Lol


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To be sure, I mean this -

And not this -

The original non HO M18 XC 6.0 had major problems, failure rates above the gen 1 9.0 and performance was worse than the XC 5.0, so they quietly killed it.

For M12 stuff I have only CP 2.0 & 3.0, for XC I have only been 6.0 for years.

M18 now I am all in on HOs 8.0 being my fav. I think I have a few XC 5s left and couple CP 2.0.

I have heard that about the 6.0s as well. Presumably, the M12 CP3.0 and M12 XC6.0 use the same cells as well.

 

[WunTon]

The dremel max or whatever its called blades work. Lowes usually has more B&M selection than HD. The cutoff came with 2 arbor sizes, the other size works with the dremel discs.

Thanks for the info! I'll go check them out.

 

[M635_Guy]

The new Rover mini-light got its first (sorta unconventional) workout today when my dryer had an issue. This thing is *exactly* what I was hoping for, and the magnet is only going to add to the handiness (though it was only used to keep it handy and off the floor today)

 

[Kaervak]

The new Rover mini-light got its first (sorta unconventional) workout today when my dryer had an issue. This thing is *exactly* what I was hoping for, and the magnet is only going to add to the handiness (though it was only used to keep it handy and off the floor today)

Where did you buy it from? Every place I've checked shows them out of stock.

 

[M635_Guy]

Where did you buy it from? Every place I've checked shows them out of stock.

I put in a pre-order with Acme as soon as I saw it announced.

 

[toolin' around]

If you're somehow incorporating it into your "static storage" and occasionally you need to take the your tools somewhere, I can see how it might work. It's not financially efficient, but I guess it would work.



As a guy who has a decent chunk of tools stuffed in a USG 29" chest and 5-drawer tech cart in my garage, and goes on the road with tools multiple times a year (pre-COVID anyway), I don't really have the space, funds or need for a Packout setup. If you are mobile with your tools for a living, it makes a lot more sense.



Net: not a homeowner product IMHO.

I thought it might be useful to have my tools in mobile boxes that I could easily move around project to project... reality is, when I needed a tool, it was in the bottom box and a pain in the behind to get to... I went back to open wire shelves where I can see and get to everything.
I still have the boxes if I need to go offsite to help out a friend etc, so not a total waste.

 

[Kaervak]

I put in a pre-order with Acme as soon as I saw it announced.

Damn, I should have done the same. That light looks like it's awesome, I really want to get one and try it out.

 

[Ign]

I thought it might be useful to have my tools in mobile boxes that I could easily move around project to project... reality is, when I needed a tool, it was in the bottom box and a pain in the behind to get to... I went back to open wire shelves where I can see and get to everything.
I still have the boxes if I need to go offsite to help out a friend etc, so not a total waste.

Another option is the bigger (like left to right) filing cabinets...got one on AWD stupid cheap. Works good for power tools without all the depth of a more traditional filing cabinet protruding from the wall.

I love the visibility of open shelves but everything gets coated with abrasive dust, cutting oil, creosote and general dust in short order in my shop.

 

[M635_Guy]

Damn, I should have done the same. That light looks like it's awesome, I really want to get one and try it out.

They'll still take a pre-order (says Jan 3rd delivery).

I'm really happy with it. I really wanted a light with a magnet, but my thinking was a flashlight with a magnet at the back - This light is eons better than I imagined. Totally recommended.

Speaking of my continuing saga with Milwaukee lighting, I picked up these @ HD today...

 

[pwschuh]

Another option is the bigger (like left to right) filing cabinets...

I believe those are called "lateral file cabinets."

 

[oldschoolcraft]

Any chance Milwaukee releases a fuel version of the m12 right angle drill driver? Or is that basically a dead product because of the multi installation tool that has a right angle attachment?

Seems like that multi installation tool is significantly bigger when you add both the right angle and a drill or driver attachment.

 

[Rusty67]

There is also the smaller right angle impact, that might have a bit more grunt in tight spaces. I have a feeling if they make a fuel version of it, it will be bigger than the current one.

 

[dacan23]

Never say never, but I would say unlikely because of the M12 RA impacts and the installation tool like you mentioned. If they did the M18 would probably get fueled too. Perhaps after they get bored with giving us next gens every 18 months and have made every tool imaginable. Would rather have a better fueled version of the rotary tool which is maybe as unlikely with the two M12 die grinders.

BTW, I never was a big fan of the installation tool because it wasn't that strong. Got one in a deal impossible to resist, two battery kit for 179 with free 3/8 ratchet. I actually kinda like it now especially the offset head, really helps when you have a corner thats tough to get in at an angle without stripping the dang screw.

Any chance Milwaukee releases a fuel version of the m12 right angle drill driver? Or is that basically a dead product because of the multi installation tool that has a right angle attachment?

Seems like that multi installation tool is significantly bigger when you add both the right angle and a drill or driver attachment.

 

[ThatSickRip]

Guys with the M12 3" cut off tool, will this work well for cutting the pre-made backsplash panels for a kitchen?

 

[javyLSU]

They'll still take a pre-order (says Jan 3rd delivery).

I'm really happy with it. I really wanted a light with a magnet, but my thinking was a flashlight with a magnet at the back - This light is eons better than I imagined. Totally recommended.

Speaking of my continuing saga with Milwaukee lighting, I picked up these @ HD today...

I picked up that 800 lumen flashlight when HD had it as one of their Special Buys of the Day with an extra 3.0 battery for $64 last month. So far, I really, really like it. It punches above its weight class IMO, and puts out just as much light as other 18650-powered flashlights I have that are rated at 1000 lumens. It's become my go-to rechargeable flashlight.

 

[ThatSickRip]

I picked up that 800 lumen flashlight when HD had it as one of their Special Buys of the Day with an extra 3.0 battery for $64 last month. So far, I really, really like it. It punches above its weight class IMO, and puts out just as much light as other 18650-powered flashlights I have that are rated at 1000 lumens. It's become my go-to rechargeable flashlight.

Which model is it? M365s photo isnt showing up on my end

 

[javyLSU]

Which model is it? M365s photo isnt showing up on my end

2160-21:

 

[ThatSickRip]

Thanks!

 

[jeffmoss26]

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8824559&postcount=52142

 

[pwschuh]

Guys with the M12 3" cut off tool, will this work well for cutting the pre-made backsplash panels for a kitchen?

What's the panel made of? I haven't tried it, but if you use the correct cutting wheel for the material and a large enough battery, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I would think your biggest probelm would be cutting long straight lines and keeping them straight.

 

[ThatSickRip]

What's the panel made of? I haven't tried it, but if you use the correct cutting wheel for the material and a large enough battery, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I would think your biggest probelm would be cutting long straight lines and keeping them straight.

I believe its just ceramic tile from what the Old Lady told me (we know how that goes )

The long straight lines were my bigger concern. I guess I could mock up a guide like with a circular saw since Im a crooked cut anyway

 

[dacan23]

Cutting tile with the M12 cut off saw with the diamond blade is possible, but it will take a long time and probably consume enough $ in blades to just of bought the right tool instead. My advice on using it for things like that is its a one or two cut emergency or one time use, its not for doing a whole job.

I had used it to cut a 2 foot section of tile to move a cabinet in my old kitchen where the tile was above the cabinet bottom, it did the job and the dust port helped with the mess.

I believe its just ceramic tile from what the Old Lady told me (we know how that goes )

The long straight lines were my bigger concern. I guess I could mock up a guide like with a circular saw since Im a crooked cut anyway

 

[mc4life27]

What's the panel made of? I haven't tried it, but if you use the correct cutting wheel for the material and a large enough battery, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I would think your biggest probelm would be cutting long straight lines and keeping them straight.

That’s what I was thinking keeping the line straight depending on how long. I love the little 3” cut off tool. I have two. One is a homemade bandfile and the other the cut off. Use them all the time and they are great for little things and things in tight places. Due to the size the fit in a lot more places then what a standard 4 inch grinder fits in. I cut out the side of a stucco wall of a house so a fuse panel could be installed flush into the wall. The thing worked great. Just hard to keep it straight because lack of weight on the tool so if your not super perfect and say you bond the blade a little it kicks not out of control just hard to keep on track


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[1320]

A couple of questions that I couldn't readily find answers to -

Is there an M18 Fuel 3/4" drive Gen 2 high torque impact wrench that *IS NOT* One Key? I could swear there was, but now all I see is the 2864, which is One Key, and the 2764, which is a Gen 1, like the 2763 1/2" high torque.

Another question, how does the packout radio compare to the 2792 M18 radio charger in terms of sound quality, how loud it can get, etc. I like the M18 radio charger, but the packout-ness of the packout radio seems beneficial to me.