Firefighter1406
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I absolutely love the all in one set up. And the tools do seem to be a better then average quality. But I think the price is my hang up.
I'll have to see how the Mid Gen 2 is on my old BMW - that one has pretty deep-dish wheels so the lugs are also kinda down there, but I'm not expecting any trouble. To be honest, having a short extension isn't a problem for me for me if it's just lugs on one car. So far it has been 100% awesome - love the form factor, weight, size, balance, handling, lights, power... everything. I'm not sure what a meaningful realistic upgrade would be for this thing would be...The fact that the battery on the M18's sticks out as far as the anvil is just such a failure in design compared to the M12 with the angled handle.
It's like the designers have never taken off a nut/bolt that is recessed below a flat plane (like any lug nut on almost any vehicle...except the front wheels on a dually pickup).
I think we've had this conversation before. I guess it is worth laying hands on them before you buy, but I don't really notice much difference in the handles between the Stubby and the Mid Gen2, though I wouldn't mind a bit less girth on my Fuel ratchet (though an M18 would probably make that tool stupid). I just finished a project where I was swapping a lot between the Mid Gen2 (w/ a 3.0 battery) and the Stubby and they were both fantastic.I don't have a M12 Stubby to post a comparison pic of the M18 3rd gen Compact but a few other things to consider.
Most everyone will say to get the M12 Stubby cause it will fit better in confined areas because of the compact battery option and I agree. I'm in the minority as I held off from getting the M12 Stubby & stuck with my M18 2nd gen Compact. When the M18 3rd gen Compact came out & went on sale I had to have one.
M18 3rd gen Compact head size is slighty shorter than the M12 stubby & the diameter/width of head is also slightly smaller. But they're basically the same in size & so is power. M18 will give you much more runtime. Sure you can just swap the battery on the M12 but I love not having to carry extra batteries or a charger with me when I'm out somewhere. The tri-led lighting is just awesome too. Since I upgraded to the 2nd gen Mid-Torque I had to have the tri-led on compact as well to match.
But the main reason I went with the M18 is the smaller handle grip. Me personally I don't like the fat grip of M12 tools because of the in handle battery. If I have no other choice (like with the ratchet & die grinders) only then will I go with M12. I guess I just have stubby fingers (I wear large for glove size). M18 is so much more comfortable for me to hold. Most M12 tools, because of the fat grip I feel like I can't get a firm grip on the handle & feels like a loss of tool control depending on the tool, also more fatigue. Even though the M18 Compact is heavier than the M12 Stubby I personally prefer the M18 Compact cause it fits my hand so much better.
For me, I generally use the "Stop" setting or setting 1 for the Stubby. To finish to 100 lb-ft, you might be able to get away with setting 2 - guessing you'll get around 80-90 lb-ft there. For me, I don't mind a few extra seconds per wheel to "creep up" on the torque setting.Spent Saturday night checking over one of my cars for upcoming PA inspection, so I was able to use my new M12 Stubby Impact for the first time. With alloy wheels, I finish 'em with a torque wrench at 100 ft.lbs. At first, it seemed a little weak and slow in breaking nuts loose, but got the job done. I'm still figuring out what setting to use when installing wheels, between the three speeds and the "stop at impact" setting, but that will come with experience.
Spent Saturday night checking over one of my cars for upcoming PA inspection, so I was able to use my new M12 Stubby Impact for the first time. With alloy wheels, I finish 'em with a torque wrench at 100 ft.lbs. At first, it seemed a little weak and slow in breaking nuts loose, but got the job done. I'm still figuring out what setting to use when installing wheels, between the three speeds and the "stop at impact" setting, but that will come with experience.
It's funny - I'm a huge fan of the Stubby, but I haven't used it under the hood at all. My 3/8" Fuel ratchet has been a rock-star there. I guess I'm a little conservative about how much power I'm laying down under the hood, so it's always been more hand-tool-ish. I've done a fair bit of stuff on the four family vehicles in the last year or so, and the combo of the Stubby and the ratchet have been fantastic. Occasionally my Surge and a 1/4" anvil bit makes an appearance on the automotive stuff, but it's pretty rare... (the Surge is my favorite overall power tool)This little Stubby is a joy to use, in comparison to all the others. The 3.0 battery still has all the lights on, so it will probably serve well for a day's work in a home garage setting. Also, with the smaller size and lighter weight, I'll probably find it used a lot more in underhood and undercar settings than the other monsters.
Kudos to the GJ members for leading this tired, old home mechanic to the Milwaukee line, especially the M12 stuff.
Bill
I don't think we've have. I don't recall ever debating about it with anyone but I have mentioned it before as a few others have. No matter though, it's all personal preference, everyone has different size hands. Me, I notice the difference in ergonomics on every M12 I've used. Dewalts 12V line is much more confortable to me but that's cause the battery is not inline in the handle.I think we've had this conversation before. I guess it is worth laying hands on them before you buy, but I don't really notice much difference in the handles between the Stubby and the Mid Gen2
Can confirm. I use only 3.0+ on my right angle die grinder, if I can help it.Probably old news for y'all but I finally got a chance to put the m12 die grinders to real use and if you are planning to use them for anything more than deburring you really should get the bigger batteries. I have a ton of the 1.5 and 2.0s and it eats them like popcorn.
They are fantastic tools but suffer from huge power draw.
Sean


M18 router of course! Spiral bit on a slow setting. Maybe 2-3What did you use to cut the acrylic?
I've been LOVING my RA die grinder. I am away from home right now but I've been using it on my engine swap project to clean gaskets and I can't get enough of it.
I got the packout version and love it.Trying to figure out which M18 Vacuum is the latest Generation...
0880-22, I'm assuming is the latest ? (Tool only)
TIA
Trying to figure out which M18 Vacuum is the latest Generation...
0880-22, I'm assuming is the latest ? (Tool only)
TIA
....anyone



Thanks for the info.Yes & no. As far as the M18 wet/dry vacs, no it's not the latest if you count the PACKOUT version 0970-20. If you don't count the PACKOUT version then yes, that is the latest generation but.....
0880-20 is tool only. 22 usually means kit w/ batteries but I 'm not sure this vac was actually available in kit form originally put together by MW.
The 1st generation had external hose storage & could not be used with a 12.0 batt, power switch is in the middle. The 2nd generation which is the latest (not including the PACKOUT) has internal hose storage & can fit a 12.0, power switch is off to the right side. But the p/n did not change for the 2nd gen, it's still 0880-20. Some vendors list the 2nd gen as 0880-22 as tool only to distinguish it from the 1st gen & some vendors list it as 0880-22 as a kit w/ batts that they include themselves. I have the second gen, the p/n on it is 0880-20.
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Hope it passes the COVID test on arrival LOLPosted this elsewhere, but here is one of my Packout solutions. This is all headed for Hawaii… tools we’re duplicates I had in my shop.
Pretty good summary. I have both the Packout Vac and 1st Gen Vac. The packout vac is very nice, but you also pay the packout tax for it as well. It's much quieter than the 1st gen and has two power modes.Yes & no. As far as the M18 wet/dry vacs, no it's not the latest if you count the PACKOUT version 0970-20. If you don't count the PACKOUT version then yes, that is the latest generation but.....
0880-20 is tool only. 22 usually means kit w/ batteries but I 'm not sure this vac was actually available in kit form originally put together by MW.
The 1st generation had external hose storage & could not be used with a 12.0 batt, power switch is in the middle. The 2nd generation which is the latest (not including the PACKOUT) has internal hose storage & can fit a 12.0, power switch is off to the right side. But the p/n did not change for the 2nd gen, it's still 0880-20. Some vendors list the 2nd gen as 0880-22 as tool only to distinguish it from the 1st gen & some vendors list it as 0880-22 as a kit w/ batts that they include themselves. I have the second gen, the p/n on it is 0880-20.
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Oh I hear ya! The 2nd gen that I have is oversized also & pisses me off. MW doesn't include a brush attachment & the 1-1/4" attachments I have from my old Shop-Vac don't fit either. Why they made it a proprietary size beats me & is just stupid, no one else really does that. They made it so you'd have to buy replacements from MW which are probably expensive.Pretty good summary. I have both the Packout Vac and 1st Gen Vac. The packout vac is very nice, but you also pay the packout tax for it as well. It's much quieter than the 1st gen and has two power modes.
But what drives me nuts about the Packout vacuum, is that the hose cuff/nozzle is oversized for 1.25" vacuum attachments. Most of my 1.25" attachments won't work without forcing them on. Likewise, the crevice tool is oversized at 1.30" That separate nozzle they include for tools has been equally worthless in my experience.
The 1st gen packout vac at least had properly sized 1.25" vacuum attachments.
I actually did model and create a new hose cuff. It actually fits standard 1.25" attachments, as well as the oversized ones. Threads on just like the stock one. I'll clean up the file and post it later if anyone else with a 3d printer is interested.Oh I hear ya! The 2nd gen that I have is oversized also & pisses me off. MW doesn't include a brush attachment & the 1-1/4" attachments I have from my old Shop-Vac don't fit either. Why they made it a proprietary size beats me & is just stupid, no one else really does that. They made it so you'd have to buy replacements from MW which are probably expensive.
I thought about making an adapter but it's not that important to me & I shouldn't have to waste my time making one in the first place. Another reason why I need a 3D printer!
Other than that & the placement of the power switch I'm happy with it especially for what I paid for it. IMO the power switch should have been on the left side so you can flip the switch with your thumb while holding the handle.
Just published it on thingiverse:I'd be interested in seeing the STL file.
Isn't there a self-test mode if you hold the button long enough?Cant remember if anyone has posted about a M18 12.0 dying? I have one that only charges to 3 bars, tried on various chargers and they all show green. Either its only charging to 75% or the 4th light is out.
Awesome, I'll print one out when I get back from this work trip in a couple weeks!Just published it on thingiverse:
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Milwaukee Packout Vacuum Hose Cuff by plc268
This is a replacement 1-1/4" (roughly 32mm) hose cuff for a Milwaukee Packout Vacuum hose. It's left hand threaded and threads right onto the hose. It should thread just fine on any vacuum hose that's 1.5" (38 mm) OD.More importantly... why? The stock hose cuff is oversized and doesn't fit...www.thingiverse.com
Was going to print one out but having a hard time getting the stock cuff off my gen2 0880 vacuum. I'm guessing it's just friction between the hose and cuff threads but would appreciate any tips?.... Yes I'm turning it the correct directionJust published it on thingiverse:
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Milwaukee Packout Vacuum Hose Cuff by plc268
This is a replacement 1-1/4" (roughly 32mm) hose cuff for a Milwaukee Packout Vacuum hose. It's left hand threaded and threads right onto the hose. It should thread just fine on any vacuum hose that's 1.5" (38 mm) OD.More importantly... why? The stock hose cuff is oversized and doesn't fit...www.thingiverse.com