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Wow! Great garage setup, and I love your choice in cars!

I can't believe that I just noticed your build. Fellow Porsche and BMW enthusiast here, I have a 944, an E60, E63 and E64.

I've been tempted to ****** an 8 series, but I have to get my garage situation sorted out first.
Awesome! I think I ran across your thread a few months back - we may have both commented on one of the thread related to the DeSoto garage condos. I've owned a couple E63s - loved them. I have had two E61s as well, miss both dearly. Love to see another garage that's relatively close!
 
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Awesome! I think I ran across your thread a few months back - we may have both commented on one of the thread related to the DeSoto garage condos. I've owned a couple E63s - loved them. I have had two E61s as well, miss both dearly. Love to see another garage that's relatively close!
Yeah, the DeSoto complex is really great! I was out there last month hanging out with @sh944.

I really like what you've done with your garage! I would have liked to have stayed in my last house, but the lot was too small to expand my garage, and at that time, I didn't know about DeSoto.

Hated to leave, I had some really nice neighbors, especially the guy next door that had an E46 M3!
 
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I'm a BMW 8-series fanboy - it needs to be said. And that's the topic of today's post. The E31 generation of the 8-series spanned '91-'97 for the US market, bringing both V12 and V8 versions. Prior to the last few months, I'd only owned V12 versions - five 850i and one 850CSi. Four of the six were 6-speeds.

1991 850i (Automatic)
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1994 850CSi (6-speed)
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1991 850i (6-speed)
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1993 850Ci (6-speed)
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1991 850i (6-speed)
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1993 850Ci (Automatic)
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All were well-loved and enjoyed. Each sale brought regret.

But when I sold my Orient Blue '93 automatic a year ago, I thought my time in an E31 was over for good. I had run out of E31s to chase. An Alpina would be amazing, but definitely out of my league financially. There was ONE car I had wanted for about a decade, but it's location was a mystery.

That one car I mentioned happened to be the one Avus Blue E31 brought to the NA market. As a huge fan of Avus (I've owned 8 Avus cars over the years), this was the holy grail car for me. A previous owner had done a 6-speed swap and it had clearly been loved and cared for. When the car was last sold 6 years ago, I wanted it badly but the timing was not good. It had apparently been sold to a collector who was storing in a facility somewhere in SoCal.

Fast forward to a random Tuesday in November when my normal 8 series Autotrader search returned the car - THE car. This Avus Blue E31 - right before my eyes. I called the dealer immediately and within a few hours, I had placed a deposit.

I am now the proud owner of this lovely piece of art. So far, I've not done much outside of staring at it.

The seats had seen better days - though nearly every 8 series seat I've seen showed similar wear. A few befores:
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And an after:
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It had old PPF on the entire front end, which had severely yellowed. Despite my best efforts to remove it carefully, some of the clear coat gave up and is now off getting the full front end refinish. Whee!

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The trip to the body shop was fun - with incredibly cold temps!
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When it returns, it's going to get a freshly refinished set of M Parallel wheels and a new set of Pilot Sport tires.
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It currently sits with two other Avus brothers - my '95 M3 and my old '95 M540i - currently owned by a buddy of mine in the UK.
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The E31 and E34 will be making the trip to The Vintage (a huge BMW vintage car show) this year.

And yes, this is a forever car. Not for sale ... ever :)

Glad to be back in an 8!
 

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I'm not sure I believe you when you say one of these is a forever car, lol. Always cool to see what new toys you have procured!!!
 
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I'm not sure I believe you when you say one of these is a forever car, lol. Always cool to see what new toys you have procured!!!

Haha - fair! Though I'd consider two of the current fleet never-sells (since I already sold one of them and bought it back). The '95 E36 M3 in Avus is that second one. I bought it on BaT - sold it to a good friend and regretted it the second it hit the transporter's trailer. Bought it back about 6 months later with a little bit of convincing :)
 

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Maybe I missed it but what did you do to restore the seats. They look way better. Congrats on the dream car! Those wheels are going to look great on it too.
 
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Maybe I missed it but what did you do to restore the seats. They look way better. Congrats on the dream car! Those wheels are going to look great on it too.
I neglected the details on the seat refinish, so thanks for the reminder.

I did a re-dye on both seats - starting with sanding down the high/rough areas. The driver’s seat needed just a slight bit of filler in spots. I use ColourLock filler and it’s great. I used to use their dye as well, but their bottles are awfully small for larger projects. I ended up buying my latest batch of dye from Leather Masters.

I really enjoy the dyeing/refinishing process. I’ve reupholstered several sets of seats in the past, and while that’s needed at times, dye and rehabbing is an option that works in many cases.
 

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Digging the Avus Blau trend. Miss my Avus 330Ti car was a hoot vs it stock with anemic m44. Love the 95 M3, I have a 95 too and prefer the front nose vs the LCI look.
 
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Digging the Avus Blau trend. Miss my Avus 330Ti car was a hoot vs it stock with anemic m44. Love the 95 M3, I have a 95 too and prefer the front nose vs the LCI look.
I bet that 330 Ti was fun! I had an Avus E36 Touring I imported last year that had the M44 as well. Anemic is right!

Agreed on the '95 front - though I'm sure we're in the minority with that opinion.
 

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Man - not sure how I missed this thread - but holy awesome cars and garage!!!! I love BMW's and miss my e39 M5 dearly. Currently I only have a 98 M3 in the stable (sons car) but miss the BMW's.
 

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I can’t remember if you mentioned this in your previous posts, but did you ever own a Z1? Neat cars with early 3-series components but the doors/body panels seem like they would be problematic.
 
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I can’t remember if you mentioned this in your previous posts, but did you ever own a Z1? Neat cars with early 3-series components but the doors/body panels seem like they would be problematic.
I’ve never owned a Z1 but got close once. A buddy had one he was selling prior to the market exploding. Neat cars, for sure.
 

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For me, this has to be one of the most perfect garage set up's. Really lovely mate, nice to see someone that changes car's as regularly as me too! :LOL: Spotting hidden gems can be a lot of fun when previous keeper's has lacked the time/attention on the car or potentially just the advert.
 

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Subscribed. I haven't been on the site for quite some time now, however, I ran across your tread have enjoyed your garage, house and car transformations. I see that you have had some nice cars and are truly a BMW guy to the core. It appears that The Vintage is going to be really nice this year. I noticed that you have that 72 Ford F250 and have not sold it too. Some things you just have to hold onto and enjoy!!!!
 
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For me, this has to be one of the most perfect garage set up's. Really lovely mate, nice to see someone that changes car's as regularly as me too! :LOL: Spotting hidden gems can be a lot of fun when previous keeper's has lacked the time/attention on the car or potentially just the advert.

Appreciate the compliments! Truly is a dream garage for me.

Subscribed. I haven't been on the site for quite some time now, however, I ran across your tread have enjoyed your garage, house and car transformations. I see that you have had some nice cars and are truly a BMW guy to the core. It appears that The Vintage is going to be really nice this year. I noticed that you have that 72 Ford F250 and have not sold it too. Some things you just have to hold onto and enjoy!!!!

Still have the F250 - Big Green! It always gets the most comments when driven. It has never left me stranded (knock on wood).
 
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It's been a while! Back with a car-centric update - this time on the BMW 8-series.

I've been an E31 owner seven times over and have covered most of the available models. '91 850 Auto, '94 850 CSi, '91 850 6-speed, '93 850 6-speed, another '93 850 6-speed, a '93 850 Auto and my current one, an M62-swapped 6-speed 840Ci in Avus Blue.

My first was bought in 2008, a Canadian-market model with an option I didn't quite appreciate at the time - sport seats. I know opinions on E31 sport seats vary a lot - but I'm a fan. A big, big fan - given I loved the way they felt in the car. I'm 6'1 and 175 pounds, so they fit me well - and I just love the adjustability of a normal BMW sport seat. From the original 850:

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If I were smart, I would have pulled the sport seats from my original car and kept them around for the future, but I'm not smart. Instead, I've spent the last 16 years pining for the day where I'd own another car with a set.

Just recently, a buddy of mine moved from the US to the UK. That sort of opened the door to me thinking about finding a set overseas. I started looking on eBay for a set he could actually lay eyes on - specifically in the UK. With those being RHD cars, I knew there would be work to do in making them operate correctly. The threads I've read over the years make the process seem impossible, so I figured I'd do a quick write-up on the process I followed.

In terms of purchasing and getting the seats here - it was surprisingly easy. I've imported cars from Europe and I'd say the seat import was FAR easier. I used Brendon at Dubstocksales in the UK to facilitate shipment to the US. The eBay seller palletized the seats and sent them over to Brendon to prep for shipment. Brendon then shipped them out via FedEx, telling me it'd be roughly 4 weeks in transit. It ended up being 8 days! I wasn't even home when my wife sent me this photo:

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Whoops - did I mention I was buying some seats from Europe.

Unpacking the palette revealed a set of sport seats in poor to fair condition. I've refinished a ton of seats in my life so the overall condition didn't concern me. That said, they were absolutely filthy.

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I then set out to take as many pictures as possible (not nearly enough) of the car wiring and where the powered harness connected on my current LHD passenger seat.

The set from the UK was powered, was RHD and had memory seats on the driver's side (right). The passenger seat was not a memory seat, obviously. My car was obviously reversed (memory on left, non-memory on right). So the initial task was to migrate the non-memory harness from my current seat to the new passenger seat. Here are the photos of the US passenger seat with the non-memory harness.

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Taking the harness out was surprisingly straightforward. It's held in by a series of 30 or so zip ties, mostly tied to the existing motor cabling. Snip, snip, snip.

The old driver's seat had memory attachments to the motors, but I ignored that when installing the harness onto the new passenger side. Everything goes in the exact way the old one came out - with a couple adjustments.

1) The UK seat didn't have wiring to the seat belt receptacle, but I migrated the receptacle and the wiring to match the US seat.
2) The thigh extension wiring was present on the US harness, but unused. Since the seat harness had memory, I had to splice into that one memory connector to power the thigh extension. Easy.

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Here's the process mid-stream. It helps to have the two seats side-by-side. Nothing hard at all, just mildly time consuming.

For the new driver side, I pulled the harness from the memory-enabled US seat. I haven't migrated it over to the UK seat yet, but the process should be similar to the opposite direction, except you need to migrate the attachments on the motors that drive the memory function. In doing so, the cabling will need to be trimmed to match the new length needed.

I mainly wanted to get to a point this weekend where I could test both seats in the car, so I left the non-memory UK harness in place.

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Here are the two seats prior to cleaning. Gross.

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And a quick 50/50 after some deep, deep cleaning. Also gross.

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Both seats cleaned. Obviously, still quite a bit to do to fill cracks, repair gouges and re-dye it all, but it's looking loads better.

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Test fitted into the car. No warning lights, all functions work (except mirror adjustment, which apparently relies on the memory functions).

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Part two of the seat project happened this past weekend. After installing the seats and going for a drive, I recognized the mirror adjustment simply wasn't going to work unless I migrated the memory harness from my US seat to the new driver's seat. I really worked hard at talking myself into NOT doing it, but knew I had to.

I didn't get many photos of the memory harness swap, beyond the following two pictures that illustrate the only semi-challenging part of the move - the memory attachments on the motors.

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You can see the black piece that sits between the bracket and the motor. There are a total of four of these memory modules that need to be migrated. The easiest is the one embedded in the rails, as swapping the rails is trivial. The one that sits under the thigh extension was also relatively easy - as the drive cables don't need to change, the sheathing around the cable just needs to be trimmed back. The motor in the rear is also easy, because there is already a dummy motor spacer in place - so it's a direct swap.

The only one I struggled with was the up/down motor at the front of the base. It comes out easy enough, but going back in was fiddly.

Then it's time to install the full memory harness onto the seat. Everything goes in just as it should on the US seat, with the exception of the thigh extension power harness. There is no place to plug that in on the US memory harness, so I stole the harness from the non-memory seat which plugs into the memory module. It provided the power I needed for the thigh extension motor.

After the harness work was done, I turned my attention to the leather refurb. The passenger seat (old driver) was rough. Deep cracking, splitting, a small hole - it needed quite a bit of filler. Some before shots of the worst of the two.

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I use the Leather Master's filler to repair seats. It fills in the cracks nicely but remains flexible during the dye process. I have two different products from them - crack filler and deep crack/hole repair. Very similar, the latter is just a bit more robust.

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After the filler, I typically will sand the filler down as much as I can. The new driver's seat didn't need much. The new passenger definitely did.

After that process, time for dye. I've done the dyeing process dozens of times in my life now - it's always so satisfying. This dye job took a full four hours from start to finish. Lots of light coats all while aiding the drying process with a heat gun on low (never close to the seat).

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From there, I prepped the driver's seat to receive it's trim. I had two trim parts for each spot, so I picked the best option for each.
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I loved seeing the seat fully trimmed. I got really, really excited at this point.

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I then did my first install of the driver's seat with full memory, holding my breath as I tested each function. Everything works perfectly. Full movement in every direction, mirrors work again and the memory functions work perfectly.

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The final install was a breeze and the project is now complete. An absolute dream come true.

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In terms of cost, I paid $700 for the seats and $1500 to get them here. The rest is just time and effort.
 
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Only just found your thread a week ago when you most recently posted and added it to my list to read through. I finally got some time to read through it tonight. Loved the garage build and the new outdoor space you ended up with a great space. Even more so loved reading about all of your journeys through countless cars. Just incredible.

I wish I could take a page out of your book and not get too attached to a particular car. Instead, I have a habit of getting too attached to my car and have only gotten rid of two one of which I ended up buying back which you appear to be familiar with that part at least. Can't wait to see what you pickup next.
 
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Only just found your thread a week ago when you most recently posted and added it to my list to read through. I finally got some time to read through it tonight. Loved the garage build and the new outdoor space you ended up with a great space. Even more so loved reading about all of your journeys through countless cars. Just incredible.

I wish I could take a page out of your book and not get too attached to a particular car. Instead, I have a habit of getting too attached to my car and have only gotten rid of two one of which I ended up buying back which you appear to be familiar with that part at least. Can't wait to see what you pickup next.

I've been following your thread for a while - so I appreciate you showing up here to comment. Your thread is really awesome to watch.

92 cars have passed through over the years - though only ONE this year. I bought an E53 BMW 4.8iS back in February and ... that's it. Partly due to the fact I'm enjoying it so much - but also because I finally have a mix of cars I would consider "never sells". For someone like me, that's unlikely - I know :)
 

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I've been following your thread for a while - so I appreciate you showing up here to comment. Your thread is really awesome to watch.

92 cars have passed through over the years - though only ONE this year. I bought an E53 BMW 4.8iS back in February and ... that's it. Partly due to the fact I'm enjoying it so much - but also because I finally have a mix of cars I would consider "never sells". For someone like me, that's unlikely - I know :)
Appreciate you following along and thanks for the kind words. I try and read as many new threads as I can but I always like to start from the beginning and read through the entire story. It's always like a great book of similar interests yet so many differences at the same time.

Only one for you seems to be a milestone but can you make it through the rest of the year that way though? ;) I don't doubt you will have no problem hitting 100 sometime soon.
 
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Quick update on one of the vehicles that doesn't get to experience the joys of the garage much - my 1972 Ford F250.

Here's a shocking fact - I've owned this truck longer than I've ever owned any vehicle in my life ... 7 years. I call him "Big Green" - for obvious reasons.

I bought him from a great guy who had daily driven it for 13 years.

For most of the 7 years I've owned it, I have stored it inside - usually offsite. I rented a single car garage for about four years, then a storage unit for a year. But those costs add up, so I decided to store it on the extended driveway at the house for the last year. The impact of that on the paint has been ... noticeable.

A few weekends back, with space in the garage freeing up a bit, I decided it should get a full couple of weeks indoors. I also decided it was well past time to do another paint correction and full ceramic coating.

Here his is, filthy.

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The area that looked the worst was the cab roof

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I redid the interior shortly after buying it, so all it needed was a quick once over to look great again.

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Then I set out to do the full paint correction. With it being single-stage paint, that's always a fun and shocking process.

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And now she's all purty!
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Two minor annoyances ... the Camper Special badging had long given up and fallen off - so I sourced some new orange/yellow badges to replace the missing ones.

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The other annoyance was a broken S off the Ralph Sandefur dealer badge. Suprisingly, I found two original replacements on eBay. Quick swap ... before and after.

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Yes, Big Green is back outside in the elements (for now). As soon as the weather turns, he'll get a spot in the garage permanently.
 
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Hey David!

ONLY $11K for a one owner, fully documented CSi??

OK fellow GJ'ers...repeat after me... YOU ****!!! :p

Haha - fair! In the BMW community, I've only told close friends what the price was ... and one fellow CSi owner. I didn't want to be the most hated guy out there.

More surprising than the price was WHERE I bought the car - from the very BMW dealer who sold the car originally back in '94. The owner bought it new there, only serviced it there, then traded it in there when he was ordering an X5M for Euro Delivery. They clearly didn't know what they had. Granted, it needed a lot of cosmetic work to get it back up to snuff, but in the end, I was only in it for about $22k when I sold it. Incredibly fun project.
 
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