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JK,

Very nice, the Profits. They have an entirely different surface prep/finish than the rest of their line. I-beam and surface finish mimics that of a Stahlwille wrench.
I have a set in the DBEs and a few in the DOEs in the smaller sizes. The ends are unique in that the thickness is tapered--I don't know of any other brand that has such a feature. There's other features as well, but hard to explain in words.

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Wow those cherry blossom wrenches are interesting. Not very many sizes though.

Thanks for the response on thickness.
 

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Ya, Superautobacs thats them...

I really like the regular KTC combo's, and offset box wrenches. I have both and use the combos in my truck tool kit. I was attracted to them by their copy of the Stahlwille I-beam design, large font for the sizes, and less than half the price in the states as the Stahlwilles. I do have several Stahlwille wrenches, and love them, except the price. I wish we could get the European pricing (shipping really kills it). The KTC are more blocky and chunky, yet still light and strong.
 

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JK,

I don't have the new KTC combis, but they do look attractive, especially with the large and bold numbers---not something you find very often.

I once took a photo to illustrate how the Profit spanner really made the job go easier. In this situation a regular box wrench wouldn't fit on the fastener, so an open-end is the only choice. Sure, an ordinary spanner will work, but with the angle of the Profit it allows for finger clearance, providing the operator with ease of use.
:thumbup: to Profit

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Can you help me understand what the "Feed, B, T, 0, G" stands for on the web? Thanks

http://www.nepros.net/?p=2&s=3&t=0&tt=Tool


Unlike most tool manufacturers around the world, Japanese brands tend to have very detailed specs:

Feed: working angle
B: width of ratchet head
T: thickness of ratchet head
0: diameter of handle grip
L: total length
G: weight in grams

The pdf I linked has all this...should be self-explanatory.
 

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Unlike most tool manufacturers around the world, Japanese brands tend to have very detailed specs:

Feed: working angle
B: width of ratchet head
T: thickness of ratchet head
0: diameter of handle grip
L: total length
G: weight in grams

The pdf I linked has all this...should be self-explanatory.

Ah.. Thanks for the clarification. Since it's 90 teeth, isn't that gonna affect torque? Is it gonna feel like my cheapy titan 1/4" ratchet with 72 teeth?
 

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Ah.. Thanks for the clarification. Since it's 90 teeth, isn't that gonna affect torque? Is it gonna feel like my cheapy titan 1/4" ratchet with 72 teeth?

No, it's going to feel like an expensive Nepros 3/8" ratchet with 90 teeth. :lol_hitti
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand your question.

Two pages back, I mentioned that the strength remains the same as their 32-tooth model. For reference, independent testing showed a standard NBR3 will shear off its square anvil at 250ft/lbs of torque.
 

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No, it's going to feel like an expensive Nepros 3/8" ratchet with 90 teeth. :lol_hitti
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand your question.

Two pages back, I mentioned that the strength remains the same as their 32-tooth model. For reference, independent testing showed a standard NBR3 will shear off its square anvil at 250ft/lbs of torque.

Did that independant test have any other ratchets included? So the square drive broke before the teeth?
 

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Did that independant test have any other ratchets included? So the square drive broke before the teeth?

IIRC, yes, the drive end broke before the internals did, which surprised the testers. They also tested a Deen (Taiwan), KTC 21c version, and a Snap-on (batman pawled 36-tooth). I'll try to scan the test results and post them.

Here's a crappy photo in the mean time:

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Man these tools are some elite equipment. I couldn't find them on Ebay or anywhere elsewhere for that matter, only direct from the website. They look great however I do wonder how they compare to quality as far as rating it from a scale of Harborfreight to Craftsman to Snap on.
 

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I'm contemplating on buying the sockets sets from them but unsure. How are their sockets quality compared to the USA made ones such as Snap on, Matco, and Craftsman?
 
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I'm contemplating on buying the sockets sets from them but unsure. How are their sockets quality compared to the USA made ones such as Snap on, Matco, and Craftsman?

I guess your're not interested in reading the thread from page one.
Finish is best in the business today, equal too if not better than Snap-On of the ninties
Fit to fastener is also second to none, period. Will hardly mark a fastener if at all, great for saving chrome from scarring.
 

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I guess your're not interested in reading the thread from page one.
Finish is best in the business today, equal too if not better than Snap-On of the ninties
Fit to fastener is also second to none, period. Will hardly mark a fastener if at all, great for saving chrome from scarring.

I read few pages but it got too long. But thank you for your repsonse.

Cheers
 

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Fit to fastener is also second to none, period. Will hardly mark a fastener if at all, great for saving chrome from scarring.
So your saying if one were to compare this "fit to fastener" to Snap-on; Nepro's is better? I think the kool-aid just got a tad bitter for me.
 

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So your saying if one were to compare this "fit to fastener" to Snap-on; Nepro's is better? I think the kool-aid just got a tad bitter for me.

So you, who don't own a Nepros tool are telling a guy who actually owns some that he doesn't know if the tool fits better than Snapon. It's fine to have an opinion, but at least base it on something to do with reality and not just your know-it-all attitude. Another addition to the ignore list.
 

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So you, who don't own a Nepros tool are telling a guy who actually owns some that he doesn't know if the tool fits better than Snapon. It's fine to have an opinion, but at least base it on something to do with reality and not just your know-it-all attitude. Another addition to the ignore list.

Dude what are you talking about? I was asking jk47 if "one were to compare the fit of the Nepros sockets to Snap-on sockets in terms of fit-to-fastner" if the Nepros one is better. Hence the question mark...
I was asking, not telling. There's a difference.
 
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Dude what are you talking about? I was asking jk47 if "one were to compare the fit of the Nepros sockets to Snap-on sockets in terms of fit-to-fastner" if the Nepros one is better. Hence the question mark...
I was asking, not telling. There's a difference.

I think Ricleh was refering to the kool aid comment.

The two fit fasteners in different ways, the Nepros leaves almost no trace after reefing on a fastener. The Snap on leaves a little more of one,. If you value the look of your chrome fasteners, Nepros might be the better option

Oh, and by the way I have used Snap On for 20 years, and have noticed a decline in their quality. In both fit and finish. I choose not to support their marketing machine when I can get better quality for less else where. I do use Bahco dual 80 ratchets, because they offer the same performance as their snap on cousins for a fraction of the price.
 

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I read few pages but it got too long. But thank you for your repsonse.

Cheers

You really owe it to yourself to read the whole thread through. When I was first learning about Nepros (by reading posts from guys like ricleh and jk47) I must have read it through at least 3 times. They have a lot of experience with Nepros and have a wealth of knowledge to share. Now I own pretty must everything Nepros makes. And what others said is spot-on - the chrome is by far the best on Earth, not just the best of the Japanese tools, not just better than any American-made tools, but better than all other tool brands. SK has some nice chrome, but it can be hit or miss, and they don't begin to have the attention to detail Nepros does. Snap-on has gone to trivalent chrome; Nepros does hexavalent, to the best of my knowledge. There is no comparison. The depth and clarity of the Nepros chrome is second to none. I have a fair bit of Snappy stuff, and I have to agree with jk47, the way Nepros tools fit a fastener, and even the way the socket and extensions fit on the ratchet is like nothing else.

If you are incredulous, do what I did and get yourself a small set of sockets. It won't set you back too much, and you can see for yourself first hand. I think you will agree once you have them in front of you.
 

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I think Ricleh was refering to the kool aid comment.

The two fit fasteners in different ways, the Nepros leaves almost no trace after reefing on a fastener. The Snap on leaves a little more of one,. If you value the look of your chrome fasteners, Nepros might be the better option

Oh, and by the way I have used Snap On for 20 years, and have noticed a decline in their quality. In both fit and finish. I choose not to support their marketing machine when I can get better quality for less else where. I do use Bahco dual 80 ratchets, because they offer the same performance as their snap on cousins for a fraction of the price.

:+1:

Compared to many other known brands from the world, the KTC/Nepros profile has been documented as being the friendliest against fasteners, either 6-point or 12-point. That's one of the prime reason why I choose KTC/Nepros over others.


Are the 3/8" Deep sockets from Nepros the same height as the Snap on ones?

I don't know if you got the answer already but....
It depends on the size of the socket: it's only +/- 1mm, so they are very similar in length alone. On the other hand, the standard deep sockets from KTC are significantly longer.




You really owe it to yourself to read the whole thread through. When I was first learning about Nepros (by reading posts from guys like ricleh and jk47) I must have read it through at least 3 times. They have a lot of experience with Nepros and have a wealth of knowledge to share. Now I own pretty must everything Nepros makes. And what others said is spot-on - the chrome is by far the best on Earth, not just the best of the Japanese tools, not just better than any American-made tools, but better than all other tool brands. SK has some nice chrome, but it can be hit or miss, and they don't begin to have the attention to detail Nepros does. Snap-on has gone to trivalent chrome; Nepros does hexavalent, to the best of my knowledge. There is no comparison. The depth and clarity of the Nepros chrome is second to none. I have a fair bit of Snappy stuff, and I have to agree with jk47, the way Nepros tools fit a fastener, and even the way the socket and extensions fit on the ratchet is like nothing else.

If you are incredulous, do what I did and get yourself a small set of sockets. It won't set you back too much, and you can see for yourself first hand. I think you will agree once you have them in front of you.


:+1:

Regarding hexa/trivalent chrome....
When I toured the factory I asked if they've already made the switch to using the more environmentally friendly trivalent and their answer was yes, to both KTC and Nepros lines. I think they've done their R&D really well to make trivalent chrome look as good as hexavalent chrome. I hope the durability is still there!



Some comparison pics of the new ratchet:

Head width: Head thickness:
Old: 30.5mm 15.8mm
New: 30.0mm 15.2mm

Despite the new ratchet having a 90-tooth mechanism, the overall dimensions of the ratchet head is equal to its predecessor. Not only that, the head takes on a more convex shape to create an even more sleeker design.

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Old on left:
In terms of weight, the new one is just 10 grams heavier at 275g.
The lengths and the handle diameter are equal between the two.
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Really want those 90 tooth ratchets... Wonder when they are gonna be out.

Keep in mind that the Nepros line is not produced like other mass-produced tools; they are produced under small lots. Even in Japan, prospective buyers were placing their orders via their choice stores. Hopefully it won't be too long.
 

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Hello all, I will get them late next week, I ordered ten and 6 of them are already accounted for. If interested, let me know. Autobacks is right, they are not mass produced and vendors like myself are in a cue to get them. frank
 

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Some pages I scanned from a tool magazine. TMG is located in Colon, Germany.

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What's the connection?
Nepros (KTC) was a supporter for the Toyota F1 team, starting in 2002.

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I received my Nepros 90 tooth ratchets from Frankstools today. They are like everything from Nepros - absolute topnotch quality.

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I received my Nepros 90 tooth ratchets from Frankstools today. They are like everything from Nepros - absolute topnotch quality.

^^ Pretty new to GJ, but mayyn! I knew someone was gonna beat me to it. Ricleh you always get that exclusive stuff first. Well I just also picked up my ratchet today. Just like what he said, the quality is what Nepros always delivers... none can compare! Really low resistance. I can't compare it to a SO ratchet atm because I forgot how they feel. But I did use a classmates Matco ratchet. Its way smoother than his.
I did get the new master set a while back. The box is really good quality but i cant really compare it to anything because Nepros was my first, professional tool company, I ever invested in.
 

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